50% of China's population hates Japan, duh

[Taro Toporific]

1/2 Chinese do not feel "close" with Japanese: survey Xinhua
BEIJING, Nov. 29 (Xinhuanet) -- More than half of the Chinese people do not feel close with their neighbor Japan, mostly because Japan has not "seriously reflected" on its invasion of China five decades ago, according to a survey made by the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS).

[cstaylor]

Looks like the PRC is slacking... I was expecting 90+%.

Maybe the Iraqi Minister of Information is available...

[h22chen]

I'm not surprised, they were brought up to hate Japan. I thought it was higher. hm...

[puargs]

Man, that's like asking me to "seriously consider" the invasion of Vietnam. Yes, I'll totally do that. And while we're at it, here's your reparations money. Now I hate you even more.

[Skankster]

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Man, that's like asking me to "seriously consider" the invasion of Vietnam. Yes, I'll totally do that. And while we're at it, here's your reparations money. Now I hate you even more.

Your fucking stupid.

You do wipe your own ass dont you???
Isnt that proof enough you should clean up after YOUR OWN SHIT!!

[puargs]

... You do realize I'm not racist, and I grew up in a time where everyone was equal to me, right? My best friends consist of all races, then when I grew up, I was suddenly supposed to find the idea of reparation money a good idea? When did I commit any crimes? I would rather go to jail than go to war, and I would never make an actual racist statement. For that matter, my family all came to America in the 1900s, and came straight to the northern states. I'm a pacifist, none of my ancestors were racist, and neither am I... Are you kidding me?

Maybe you were just giving me a hard time. Who knows, it's a message board

[Skankster]

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Listen dude Im just asking you if you wipe your own arse.

If you would kindly answer that question then I might be able to make a point.
But if you dont answer my question then I would have no way of knowing that you are the kind of person that doesnt like living in a shit infested home like a pig that waddles in his own shit.

I dont think your a racist nor do I care.
I just want to know if you like to leave shit around your arse with skid marks in your panties smelling up your workplace without being cureous to your neighbors using the same living space.

I should only hope you are responsible enough to clean up after yourself and make recompense when you have shit on somebody. Cause you never know who might catch SARS or who knows what.

[puargs]

I'll clean up after myself, but no one else. Especially not your mouth!

[puargs]

Hehe, seriously though. Sorry if I pissed you off, it wasn't my intent to offend.

[goldenboy_ge]

More than half of the Chinese people do not feel close with their neighbor Japan, mostly because Japan has not "seriously reflected" on its invasion of China five decades ago, according to a survey made by the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS).

^ Hello

Seriously I think there's a quite bit more than 50%. However despite in the past, Germany and Japan were and still one of the most disliked countries in the world when it comes to the second world war and it's dreadful outcome.
Nevertheless the whole world is still focusing on Germany and it's dark past while in Asian countries there eyes are on Japan. We apologize but never forget, how? It's part of the humans history. In fact many people still hate Germany, but they do not hate the generation that lives today.

Years have now past, Germany is part of the European Union and it was the main train to push the European economy for centuries. It is a vital and important Ally in the NATO pact and Germany is in many other organisations. Since now we pay for the damages that we caused, but we can't repay everything unfortunetely. We're the biggest and number one net payer in the EU and the biggest mess that we can't handle till now is the east German problem. Nothing was better, it was actually worse when West and East Germany reunited in the early 90s.
In all the past years our politican tried to regain trust in the world and especially in the European neighbors. They have achieved tremendous and historical success. Maybe you might remember when Konrad Adenauer kneed in front of the polish memorial and looked down to the gravestones.
Do you think a guy like Koizumi would ever visit a Chinese, Korean, South East Asian etc gravestones and even knee on the ground? I think no. That's just a Japanese moral and mentality as well as ego behavior. No century passed without many German politican apologize to the leaders and governments from the victims of the Nazi regime. And as I have mentioned above, we're still paying. Saying sorry and paying doesn't make it all better and it can't bring the lifes back that the Germans brutally killed during the war. But what makes me smile is the fact that the people between Germany and UK or Germany and France and so on are giving the hands to each other and look forward to build up a new relationship. I wont forget the view when our British friends visited us in Hamburg and Dresden during the ealier years. The blockade between Germany and the other Europeans are gone but there's still much hate for us, which I fully understand.
Germans tanks rolled over Paris the first time 1994 after WW2 and I thought what the.... 2002 or 2003 the national day of the French there was a military parade but with a lot of German troops this time and it was actually a strange view but a good sign for the future. Nowadays these two countries are the best friends in EU. Not only making students program, company transaction, or even owning military divisions together. It's just one examples of many. We also made a huge step to Poland and many other countries. What is more important for me, is that the kids and teenagers in the EU are making new relationships because there're our future. Not forget to mention that the German chancellor Gerhard Schröder and the representatives were invited to the memorial of D-Day. "The former enemy is now celebrating with us".

I honestly say that we've done so many things that stabalized and or even improved the relationships with other nations, especially in the EU. We've regained trust and respect. In this view Japan has completly failed.
Me, as a German Asian know about the facts and the historical issue very well. Furthermore I am very dissapointed that Japan doesn't even make a single move to even say sorry or making at least a sign of forgiving. It even makes it worse by being the biggest Arselicker to the USA and those regular visits to the shrines are the creme della creme. However nobody scratches that Japan invaded Asian countries. The new Japanese generation doesn't even care about it.

[puargs]

Those shrine visits are kinda a kick in the ass. That is pretty lame of Koizumi, that's like an intentional insult. :/

[Skankster]

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Hehe, seriously though. Sorry if I pissed you off, it wasn't my intent to offend.

I meant it more in terms of policy.
If you dont see that reparations are somthing that should be paid for as soon as can be paid (esp in this situation after Japan had lost the war and had 2 nukes dropped on her they really couldnt at the time)then there is some problem with responsibility...

If you dont want to continue fine. But I am curious if you understand that?

[Mulboyne]

Here's a dissenting voice

Japan has not dodged any responsibility for peaceful relations. The general public seems to be ignorant of the fact that Japan has faithfully met, negotiated, and fulfilled rigorous demands on all war-time reparations. Negotiations for post-war reparations started in 1951 and continued until 1977. In all, 54 treaties and agreements were concluded.

This should be interesting: Japan's Record on this Matter, as Compared with Germany

Coming Soon

[puargs]

OOOOOOOOOOHHHHH... No, no, no... I meant reparations money from descendants of slave owners to descendants of slaves for "past infractions" in the US. Reparations between COUNTRIES is totally different- you need to give money to Germany, Japan, Vietnam after you bomb the shit out of them so they can get their act together again. But I was speaking to the specific action of several black families approaching MY family and asking for reparations money- when NONE of our ancestors were slave owners! Not to mention, even if they were, what money would I personally owe them, my not being involved in the slightest with them, or their ancestors??

Sorry, I seriously meant "here's your reparations money" on that specific issue. I guess I didn't consider your view on it from a country level :/ In that case, yes, I totally agree with you- if you beat the fuck out of a country, you should help them get their act back together.

Especially when you see what happened with Germany after WWI- we sanctioned the hell out of them, and then WWII happened. So we helped them out that time, and now they're a fantastic world player.

The point I was first trying to make was when people ask me to personally contemplate and grieve for singular events that I didn't commit. Sure, I think dropping a bomb on Hiroshima is a terrible thing, and it's ghastly, etc- but at that the same time, it's best to put that in the past and quit apologizing for it. My parents did that, and I was born in a time when it should no longer be necessary to repair things I have no connection to whatsoever. I simply meant that it isn't good in that case to continue having "bad" feelings about it, because that's just the shit that causes tension in the first place.

[goldenboy_ge]

Nobukatsu Fujioka wrote:
Japan has not dodged any responsibility for peaceful relations. The general public seems to be ignorant of the fact that Japan has faithfully met, negotiated, and fulfilled rigorous demands on all war-time reparations. Negotiations for post-war reparations started in 1951 and continued until 1977. In all, 54 treaties and agreements were concluded.

^damn Japanese suckers!!

[jingai]

Sure, Japan's goverment signed treaties with various top-down Asian autocracies and threw in various economic deals, which is what their leaders cared most about. Now the people of those countries want more for their suffering...

In the mid-nineties, the Japanese PM (first socialist who broke the LDP postwar stranglehold) did apologize. Other LDP senior politicians have since distanced themselves and made controversial comments about the way (remember PM Mori?)

I personally wish that all the countries would stop playing politics with their history and actually try to cooperate towards mutual goals.

[goldenboy_ge]

Playing things down and ignoring facts wont bring the parties together. Furthermore I don't know how you imagine how it's going to work.
The history is part of the human being and you can't look over it. It's not a piece of cake we're talking about, we're talking about an important historical event that changed the world.

I don't know where you've got your view point. I can't speak for all suffering Asian countries, but I didn't notice any remorse. I don't really notice a sign from Japan for any responsibility or making a peaceful move toward their neighbors. I really don't want to go into it. I studied about Japan 7 years and we're now in 2004- nothing has changed about Japanese foreign politics and their ego.
How are you able to get along with each other when there are constantly barricades about the past. I fully agree that we have to look forward to find and cooperate for a better future and peace. Germany did a lot for that believe me.

[Skankster]

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OOOOOOOOOOHHHHH... No, no, no... I meant reparations money from descendants of slave owners to descendants of slaves for "past infractions" in the US.

Reparations

I know exactly what you meant.
I just used one analagous issue to explain another and thus show you how important it is to wipe your ass.

[h22chen]

I don't know why would they want to do that. The current generation is still slapped with the sins of their forefathers (in this case grandparents).

[Big Booger]

Who cares what the Chinese or Japanese think about each other? I don't lose much sleep over it.

[Buraku]

I wouldn't imagine they HATE Japan

Sure China has been a backward nation, had a strong military outlook on the world, had no freedom and a mad dictator called Mao.

But nowdays the Chinese seem to be getting along fine, they've grown economically. the China industrial production is up and foreign firms are aloowed the freedom to do trade inside of Chinese. Sure even the China young people watch Hollywood/Japan movies, watch Western baseball, look at English soccer and listen to Korean/Japanese music.


If you ask me China-Japan ties should be much closer and would be if it were not for the governments denial of sex slaves, Koizumi visits to a war criminal Shrine and governor Ishihara referring to whites and Asians using horrible racial terms that are only by radical-rightwingers & racists.

[cstaylor]

governor Ishihara referring to whites and Asians using horrible racial terms that are only by radical-rightwingers & racists.

Who was reelected in a landslide by the largest metropolis in the world.

[dimwit]

If you ask me China-Japan ties should be much closer and would be if it were not for the governments denial of sex slaves, Koizumi visits to a war criminal Shrine and governor Ishihara referring to whites and Asians using horrible racial terms that are only by radical-rightwingers & racists.

I think radical zenophobia cuts both ways. The Chinese government does nothing to discourage their zealots either.

Essentially, the majority of citizens of both countries see each other as rivals and the politicans are simply playing the us against them game.

[h22chen]

Encourage is more like it.

There is also a difference in the handling of the same type of situation in Europe. The victims of Nazi Germany, did not indict the current German people or held them responsible for what the Nazis did.

In Asia, its alot more different. Its turning into a blame game, a grudge match and a very effective and serious political tool (deja vu pre-WW2).

Another side note: Then wouldn't the Japanese population could in turn blame the US for all their problems since during WW2 many Japanese cities were carpet bombed or incinerated(as of many German cities).

Still, what the Imperial Japanese military did during that period is not something to proud of and they should do what is right to ask for their forgiveness and to help them whenever possible.

This is not a win-win situation for Japan, if they accept they were wrong, they get bashed, and if they don't, they still get the same treatment.

[Mulboyne]

Another side note: Then wouldn't the Japanese population in turn blame the US for all their problems since during WW2 many Japanese cities were carpet bombed or incinerated.

Kyodo via Yahoo: Hiroshima group to hold 'tribunal' over U.S. A-bombings on Japan
A civic group in Hiroshima launched a committee Sunday to prepare a "people's tribunal" to try a former U.S. president and others involved in the development of and decisions to drop atomic bombs on Japan in 1945.
The committee, made up of about 30 academics, lawyers and civic group members, plans to kick off "the Peoples' Tribunal on the Dropping of Atomic Bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki" in December 2005, following the 60th anniversaries of the bombings on the two Japanese cities, next Aug. 6 and 9 respectively, committee members said.
...Some lawyers will help organize a group of prosecutors and will try the defendants including late U.S. President Harry Truman, Henry Stimson, then secretary of war, other key White House officials who decided to use the atomic bombs, and Gen. Leslie Groves, Robert Oppenheimer and other scientists who were closely involved in developing the bombs, they said. A group of judges will examine the case based on international law and hand down a "ruling" in early 2006.

[h22chen]

wow, it looks like east asia is more screwed up than I thought.

[devicenull]

Another side note: Then wouldn't the Japanese population in turn blame the US for all their problems since during WW2 many Japanese cities were carpet bombed or incinerated.

Kyodo via Yahoo: Hiroshima group to hold 'tribunal' over U.S. A-bombings on Japan
A civic group in Hiroshima launched a committee Sunday to prepare a "people's tribunal" to try a former U.S. president and others involved in the development of and decisions to drop atomic bombs on Japan in 1945.
The committee, made up of about 30 academics, lawyers and civic group members, plans to kick off "the Peoples' Tribunal on the Dropping of Atomic Bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki" in December 2005, following the 60th anniversaries of the bombings on the two Japanese cities, next Aug. 6 and 9 respectively, committee members said.
...Some lawyers will help organize a group of prosecutors and will try the defendants including late U.S. President Harry Truman, Henry Stimson, then secretary of war, other key White House officials who decided to use the atomic bombs, and Gen. Leslie Groves, Robert Oppenheimer and other scientists who were closely involved in developing the bombs, they said. A group of judges will examine the case based on international law and hand down a "ruling" in early 2006.

looks like we need to nuke them again, stupid fucking japs

[goldenboy_ge]

In some way I agree with ya and in some... I don't buddy.

Would u like to bomb Germany again?

[devicenull]

In some way I agree with ya and in some... I don't buddy.

Would u like to bomb Germany again?

nah, germany seems to have learned their lesson. japan, on the other hand, elected a war criminal to PM and likes their racist leaders. we bombed them retarded last time, lets bomb them till they are sane

[goldenboy_ge]

nah, germany seems to have learned their lesson. <--- that's right, we've learned our lession. But I feel quite relieved to hear it from a non German, I'm happy

japan, on the other hand, elected a war criminal to PM and likes their racist leaders. we bombed them retarded last time, lets bomb them till they are sane <---- but aren't they punished enough with those regular natural disasters..? Anyway, there will be no Japan in 50 million years due to the rise of water level. I'm sorry to say, gomen nasai but sayonara Nihon.