STRIKE!

[Captain Japan]

Japan Airlines pilots, flight attendants plan strike

Japan Airlines officials were in talks with union negotiators Wednesday to avert a one-day strike that would force the carrier to cancel a quarter of its domestic flights and affect 18,000 passengers, a company spokesman said.

Unions representing about 2,700 pilots and flight attendants told Tokyo-based JAL that they would strike Thursday unless management meets their demands for higher winter bonuses, said company spokesman Kenichi Ando.

Union members have demanded a benchmark year-end bonus of 697,000 yen for the average 27-year-old worker, Ando said.

Last week, JAL management offered to pay 510,000 yen, 27 percent less, he said.

It would appear the two sides are pretty far apart. Is there something in the water? First baseball, now stewardesses.

[Mulboyne]

[Mulboyne]

STRIKE TWO!

Kyodo via Yahoo: Japanese pilots, cabin attendants to go on strike Thurs.
Pilots, cabin attendants and other union members at Japan Airlines, All Nippon Airways and Japan Air Commuter will go on strike on Thursday over wage hikes and other demands, union officials said Tuesday. The 1,204-member JAL Flight Crew Union, the 658-member JAL Cabin Attendant Union and two other JAL unions, the 1,548-member All Nippon Airways Crew Association and Japan Air Commuter's 105-member flight crew union notified the airlines of their strike plans, the officials said.
If the ANA union goes on strike, 293 or about 40 percent of ANA's scheduled domestic flights, will be canceled, ANA said. If the JAL Cabin Attendant Union goes on strike, 187 or about 30 percent of JAL's scheduled domestic flights will be canceled, JAL said. A strike by the JAC union will affect 74 scheduled domestic flights or about 60 percent of JAC's scheduled flights will be canceled, according to JAC. But the JAL Flight Crew Union and two other JAL unions representing cabin attendants and other employees said their strikes will not affect the airline's operations, union members said.

[Captain Japan]

Who thinks it'll actually happen? Or should we wait for Strike 3?

[Captain Japan]

Who thinks it'll actually happen?

[GuyJean]

Who thinks it'll actually happen?

What?



It could be like the 2-day baseball strike; they'll only strike at night when planes aren't allowed to fly..

GJ

[AssKissinger]

Who thinks it'll actually happen?

I predict that they are way too chickenshit to strike.

[Ketou]

Who thinks it'll actually happen?

I predict that they are way too chickenshit to strike.

I agree! Or, like GJ said, they'll strike when they're not working anyway.
Militant unionism just doesn't happen here.

[Mulboyne]

Militant unionism just doesn't happen here.

It did happen here. One reason it stopped, as the Zenkyo Homepage writes is the policy U-turn by the occupation authorities who "in 1947 banned general strikes. They deprived government and public workers of the right to strike, dismissed many of those workers and forced unions to purge communists and their sympathizers. A great number of militant trade union leaders were ousted from trade unions and the General Council of Trade Unions of Japan (SOHYO) was formed by the direct instruction of the occupation forces."
This policy was continued by subsequent Japanese administrations and the last real signs of labour activism were the protests against the break-up of Japan National Railways JNR. The union had more protest vans on the streets than the uyoku at that time but to no avail.
I wouldn't rule out a return to activism, especially as pension problems loom large. Anyone running a foreign company here has also usually had more union conflict than they would have expected from the country's reputation for low militancy.

[Captain Japan]

Bunch of chickens...
JAL, ANA pilots and attendants cancel strike
Reuters

TOKYO (Reuters) - Japan Airlines Corp., the country's biggest airline, and second-ranked All Nippon Airways Co. Ltd. said their union members had cancelled a strike set for Thursday over pay rises and other issues.

The two airlines said no flights -- domestic or international -- will be cancelled on Thursday.

The strike planned by JAL's 2,648 pilots, flight attendants and other union members would have affected about 30 percent of its domestic flights....more...

[AssKissinger]

Is it true they all get fired before they reach 40?

[dimwit]

Is it true they all get fired before they reach 40?

I think it is strongly encouraged. Not a bad idea at that. Air Canada is full of embittered old hags.

[AssKissinger]

Is it true they all get fired before they reach 40?

I think it is strongly encouraged. Not a bad idea at that. Air Canada is full of embittered old hags.

I think strong-arming people out of their profession before they reach retirement is wrong and should be illegal. That's what they should be striking about. They shouldn't have to go work at Ito Yokado for 700 yen an hour just because their tits aren't perky anymore. Have a heart.

[Ketou]

Militant unionism just doesn't happen here.

It did happen here. One reason it stopped, as the Zenkyo Homepage writes is the policy U-turn by the occupation authorities who "in 1947 banned general strikes. They deprived government and public workers of the right to strike, dismissed many of those workers and forced unions to purge communists and their sympathizers. A great number of militant trade union leaders were ousted from trade unions and the General Council of Trade Unions of Japan (SOHYO) was formed by the direct instruction of the occupation forces."
This policy was continued by subsequent Japanese administrations and the last real signs of labour activism were the protests against the break-up of Japan National Railways JNR. The union had more protest vans on the streets than the uyoku at that time but to no avail.
I wouldn't rule out a return to activism, especially as pension problems loom large. Anyone running a foreign company here has also usually had more union conflict than they would have expected from the country's reputation for low militancy.

I never said it didn't happen. I said it doesn't happen.
I think a return to activism is not going to happen. Unions are not well organized and have almost zero political representation.

[American Oyaji]

They shouldn't have to go work at Ito Yokado for 700 yen an hour just because their tits aren't perky anymore. Have a heart.

[Captain Japan]

Is it true they all get fired before they reach 40?

I think it is strongly encouraged. Not a bad idea at that. Air Canada is full of embittered old hags.

Japanese airlines usually try to push girls out before 30. They won't even hire girls beyond 23, I think. Foreign airlines (with Japanese crews) are much less restrictive.

[jim katta]

I am completely against age-ism, but I'm starting to think that frequent flights are too stressful for older flight attendants. On my last few flights to japan I used american based airlines, and without fail our flight attendants were average 40-something years old women, with the occassional 30 gay dude and one token 30-something woman thrown in for "youth's" sake. without fail, these flight attendants were not only rude, but aggressive and pretty damn domineering. this is coming from a new yorker who is used to rude service at every turn, but damn, having to put up with 13 hours of a bitter old hag serving you like she's doing you a favor sucks. it really sucks.

I rode in first class to japan only once, and the experience was only marginally better.

so yeah, age-ism is bad, but I don't think flight attendant is a job for older women with low stress tolerance.

[AssKissinger]

average 40-something

bitter old hag

How old are you? And if you think older people are less able to handle stress at what age do you think pilots should be forced to retire?

[kotatsuneko]

jal staff are rude as fuck anyhow, someone ought to teach them to speak properly too.

ana > jal

fuck, even airdo > jal.

[kotatsuneko]

"apanese airlines usually try to push girls out before 30. They won't even hire girls beyond 23, I think. Foreign airlines (with Japanese crews) are much less restrictive."

this is true, largely as its difficult, for the most part for foreign airlines to attract japanese bilingual staff to leave japan and work for them, especially the women, a lot of which see the job not so much as a career, rather a stepping stone to meeting a better class of man, or at least that was the impression i got when i worked as a translator in one of the worlds biggest airports, moonlighting as an interviewer for virgin and ba, they'd take on almost anyone who could string together the basic phrases needed for dealing with gaijin passengers.

[GuyJean]

How old are you? And if you think older people are less able to handle stress at what age do you think pilots should be forced to retire?

Pilots aren't in the 'service' aspect of the airiline industry. If a waitress was driving away customers because she was being a bitch, as these 'hags' are obviously doing for the some airlines, she would be fired no matter what age she was..

Personally, I will never fly United because of my negative experiences with the 'service' they offered.. A bitch is a bitch; whether old or young, male or female.. 'Bitches' end up losing customers when there are so many choices in that particular field of business..

GJ

[AssKissinger]

a lot of which see the job not so much as a career, rather a stepping stone to meeting a better class of man, or at least that was the impression i got when i worked as a translator

If they want to marry the captain or some cc in business class and quit that's fine and dandy. I'm just saying they shouldn't force her out. That's just mean. If she (or he) is rude then maybe they should be let go, but that's a not an age issue.

[jim katta]

A.K.
I'm in my 30s, so believe me, with every face on TV being in their teens and 20s, I'm already beginning to fear age-ism myself. I wouldn't have made the comment about the flight attendants unless I had ample experience. I remember the first time I experienced one that was clearly my grandmother's age, and my reaction was not negative at all, I felt more comforted that an older person would know what they are doing better. But after numerous trips, my experience is that 'most' older flight attendants aren't cutting it in the courtesy department. and I do think it has to do with age, and an "I've seen it all, you're just another rube, so sit down and shut up and wait until the next snack break damnit" attitude. on intercontinental flights, bad attitude is prettty easy to spot, and it effects your experience.

Also,
GuyJean is right, pilots don't have to press the flesh with the passengers. the extent of the politeness they have to extend is over an intercom.

to be fair, I have encountered rude young flight attendants, but oddly enough, I would have to say that most of the flight attendants I've been served by in the last five years have been most in their 40s/50s and only a couple in their 30s. I don't remember the last time I was served by a 20 something flight attendant. scratch that, I do see a couple of male ones in their 20s. my most often used airlines airlines are: united/northwest/american/delta. I have yet to lose my mind and pay 8 million dollars to fly JAL.

[dimwit]

I should modify my opinion. I just came back from Hawaii on United and the attentants while fairly old (as old as me in some cases) were pleasant and not in the least surly. I guess that is just an Air Canada speciality.