Scary shit in UK....

[nullpointer]

Is the only way to garantee no more terrorist acts to deport every single muslim f rom every country? I am a hardass, so that's what I would do. To hell with human rights.

Exactly what blinky would say if something like this happened in Japan. Throw all the gaijins out.

[homesweethome]

Taro:

Indeed, the British police have frequently credited cameras with helping solve major crimes, including a string of pub bombings in London in 1999.

Watch the Japanese go ape shit for this technology which will boost the GNP 0.07% alone just in the purchase of the electronic equipment needed to completely cover the country with video-cams that the police will be able to monitor all the 'outlaw gaijin' with. This does NOT mean that the local guy sleeping in his police box will be given anything more than what he has now, a feed to the porn, gambling, and sports cites on the web. I always wonder what they are really doing when the sign says 'on patrol' on the empty police box desks. I can see the eyes with the yen signs in them now, assuming Japan has not completely outsourced it's electronic manufacturing to China.

[GomiGirl]

Is the only way to garantee no more terrorist acts to deport every single muslim from every country? I am a hardass, so that's what I would do. To hell with human rights.

I think that was tried with the VC in Vietnam - and that was such a raging success.

You knob-head - why don't you find out the facts before you sprout off crap like this.

[kurohinge1]

We just happened to be on one of the first planes back to Japan from London after the attack - JL422 which left about 7:30pm that day (London time) and got in about 3pm (local time) today in Osaka (about a 12 hour flight). All I knew was what I saw on the big TV`s at Heathrow, although one girl on the plane told us she`d just left her hotel when one of the bombs went off behind her.

Anyway, a pack of media were waiting for us at the airport. Before you even got on the shuttle train at Kansai, there were camera crews and reporters grabbing people for interviews and begging for any videos or photos. And I thought my job was bad.

If it happened a day or too earlier, perhaps Paris would be hosting the 2012 Olympics ...

[Maths Dude]

Hey GG, why you taking this so personal? Since when were there any rules on this site about 'sprouting crap'?

[Buraku]

The thing that is annoying me the most from my entirely selfish perpective is having to alleviate the fears of Japanese students and thier families who are going on homestays to Pembroke or place like that. Happens everytime something bad happens overseas.

Ha, ha, I just tell them the truth:
I lived in Chicago f0r 18 years without ever being robbed or asaulted. In Kanto, my apartments have been broken into three times, my car vandalized twice, and EVERY month some Japanese with a death-wish tries to push me off the platform or down the station stairs.

Back to London....

Surveillance Cameras Monitor
Much of Daily Life in London,
May Help to Identify Bombers
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
July 8, 2005] -- In tracking down the perpetrators of yesterday's devastating bombings here, the police have a particularly useful tool at hand: the ubiquitous security camera.
The British capital has more surveillance cameras monitoring its citizens than any other major city in the world. The highly visible gadgets are posted on the corners of many buildings, on new buses and in every subway station. Since 2003, the license plate of every car driving into central London during weekdays is filmed as part of a program to reduce traffic congestion. London charges a fee to cars and also uses the films to catch and fine cheats. In all, there are at least 500,000 cameras in the city, and one study showed that in a single day a person could expect to be filmed 300 times.
Known as CCTV -- for closed-circuit television -- the extensive camera system is relied on by the police to solve and deter crimes[url=http://online.wsj.com/public/article/0,,SB112077340647880052-mGvd5MGVX8aM_8TMTf6F6nQe9pg_20060707,00.html?mod=blogs] ...more...

Anyone arrested ?

[Tsuru]

Hey GG, why you taking this so personal? Since when were there any rules on this site about 'sprouting crap'?

I think the point is that others tend to be annoyed when you do so. It's not a matter of "it's not in the rules so feck all of you", it's a matter of common sense.

If you want to spout crap go right ahead... just do it in your own thread and don't ruin other's.

[Papa-Lazarou]

I just saw T. Blair speaking, flanked by G. Bush and J. Chirac.

Halfway through, Chirac yelled, "'Ow do you like zat beef, you stoopid beef-eaterrrs?"

Sour grapes i think








But seriously 30,000 people died yesterday from poverty, 75 or so died in bomb blasts in London.


Out of sight, out of mind, eh?

[GomiGirl]

Hey GG, why you taking this so personal? Since when were there any rules on this site about 'sprouting crap'?

It is not personal - just that when anybody says anything that I think is stoopid then I will call it like I see it.

I fully expect to be called on if I say something stupid.

Rules? what are you 12? Like life there are no rules.. just be prepared to back up your opinions or get shot down... just like in the big bad world.

[emperor]

Is the only way to garantee no more terrorist acts to deport every single muslim from every country? I am a hardass, so that's what I would do. To hell with human rights.

I think that was tried with the VC in Vietnam - and that was such a raging success.

I think you would make matters worse by expelling muslims from 'non-muslim' countries. Not that it would happen, but if it did, you would polarize the 99.9% of muslims who arent committing terrorist acts against you... and a country called Japan tried to close itself off from foreigners for about 300 huindred years... how did that end again?
I think the VC/Vietnam example cant really compare; the north and south Vietnamese looked *remarkably* alike - most muslims are middle-eastern or black and then youve only got a handful of whites & asians that intermarried and converted.

The worst thing about Al Queda is how they dont make their goals clear - however, the "stop interfering in middle-eastern politics (establishing puppet-dictators, playing various governments off each other to keep them weak etc) with a view to getting cheap oil" - seems pretty crystal and rational.
Although, OBL has stated he wants USA (& other western countries and 'assets' aka Saudi Arabia?) out of the middle east I dont know how much faith to put in this belief that "they hate freedom".

Incedentally, if one were to nuke a desert would it turn to glass?

[Samurai_Jerk]

most muslims are middle-eastern or black and then youve only got a handful of whites & asians that intermarried and converted.

Ever hear of Indonesia? Population 240 million? The world's largest Muslim nation? How about Malaysia, Kazakhstan, The Kyrgyz Republic, Albania, or Turkey? Plenty of white and Asian muslims in those places.

[emperor]

most muslims are middle-eastern or black and then youve only got a handful of whites & asians that intermarried and converted.

Ever hear of Indonesia? Population 240 million? The world's largest Muslim nation? How about Malaysia, Kazakhstan, The Kyrgyz Republic, Albania, or Turkey? Plenty of white and Asian muslims in those places.

OK! Apart from Indonesia, Malaysia, Kazakhstan, The Kyrgyz Republic, Albania, & Turkey youve only got a handful of whites & asians...

[Samurai_Jerk]

most muslims are middle-eastern or black and then youve only got a handful of whites & asians that intermarried and converted.

Ever hear of Indonesia? Population 240 million? The world's largest Muslim nation? How about Malaysia, Kazakhstan, The Kyrgyz Republic, Albania, or Turkey? Plenty of white and Asian muslims in those places.

OK! Apart fr om Indonesia, Malaysia, Kazakhstan, The Kyrgyz Republic, Albania, & Turkey youve only got a handful of whites & asians...

India, China, Russia ...

[Buraku]

Shit, the death toll is over 45 now. I was very disturbed when they showed some ambulance officers doing CPR on someone. I hope he made it, the poor bastered.

Flanked by fellow world leaders, British Prime Minister
Tony Blair said deadly explosions in London would not halt an annual summit




series of bombs were detontated in London, blasts have been confirmed, on buses and on underground. Hundreds inured too apparently- phone network, bus network and all the underground services are down.
Ambulance service says there are people still trapped at King's Cross station, Frank Gardner says BBC monitoring services have located a website linked to al-Qaeda with a 200-word statement saying it carried out the bombings, European-based militant group believed to be linked to the al-Qaeda network has said it was responsible for Thursday's multiple bomb attack. the Organisation of Al-Qaeda Jihad in Europe, claimed Thursday the attacks in London, in a statement posted on the Internet. "Heroic mujahedeens carried out a sacred attack in London, and here is Britain burning in fear, terror, and fright in the north, south, east and west," said the group in a statement, which could not be authenticated.
The entire Tube system, used by three million people a day, was closed while bus services in the centre of London have also been cancelled.
The timing of the incidents came on the opening day of the G8 summit in Scotland.



Death toll in London blasts at least 40, U.S. sources say. London closed its subway system and evacuated all stations after emergency services were called to explosions in and around the financial district.
Police said blasts occurred in ``multiple locations.'' A bus exploded near Russell Square, causing ``numerous casualties,'' a police statement said.
Liverpool Street station, Aldgate, Edgware Road and King's Cross are among stations evacuated after blasts were reported on underground train links. Scotland Yard said the first blast was reported at 8:50 a.m. local time. Attack claimed by "the Europe Jihadists" - group related to AlQaeda - said Reuters

Islamic leader warned the Portugal newspaper interview 15 months ago that a London-based group, Al-Qaeda Europe, was on the verge of a major attack."Here in London there is a very well-organized group, which calls itself Al-Qaeda-Europe," Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed, the Syrian head of the London-based group Al-Muhajiroun, told the Portuguese daily Publico in an interview
"I know they are on the verge of launching a big operation."
Bakri, 46, is suspected of having links with Abu Qatada, the alleged Al-Qaeda leader in Europe.

Speaking a month after the March 11, 2004 Madrid train bombings, Bakri said it was "inevitable" that London would be hit by a large attack "because they are being prepared by various groups."
The bombs that destroyed three London Underground cars and a double-decker bus each weighed less than 10 pounds and could be carried in a backpack, police said Friday. An explosives expert said they were likely crude homemade devices set off with a simple timer.
Experts say Thursday's attacks had all the hallmarks of an al-Qaida strike, and authorities were gathering evidence on the ground and investigating a purported claim of responsibility

[Maths Dude]

I stand by what I said. That is the only way to to fully stop it - as logic dictates. You said "I think that was tried with the VC in Vietnam - and that was such a raging success." Where is your factual evidence? The problem here GG is that you don't think.

[emperor]

most muslims are middle-eastern or black and then youve only got a handful of whites & asians that intermarried and converted.

Ever hear of Indonesia? Population 240 million? The world's largest Muslim nation? How about Malaysia, Kazakhstan, The Kyrgyz Republic, Albania, or Turkey? Plenty of white and Asian muslims in those places.

OK! Apart fr om Indonesia, Malaysia, Kazakhstan, The Kyrgyz Republic, Albania, & Turkey youve only got a handful of whites & asians...

India, China, Russia ...

Hindu, Buddhist, Russian-Orthodox ...dont get me started about the Judean-Peoples-Front and the Peoples-Front-of-Judea


J-friend living in london says everything was back to normal as if nothing happened on friday....

[homesweethome]

Emporer said:

J-friend living in london says everything was back to normal as if nothing happened on friday....

That wasn't the case here.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nn20050709a1.htm

Thursday's deadly terrorist bombings in London raised fresh concerns among Tokyo officials Friday that Japan might be the next target due to its support for the U.S.-led war on Iraq.

JR Tokyo station's police presence is boosted Friday as security precautions were upgraded after the deadly terrorist bombings in London the previous day.

These concerns were aired as officials stepped up security for public transport systems and at other key locations nationwide.

An Islamic group with al-Qaeda links has claimed responsibility for the London bombings, saying on its Web site that the explosions represented retaliation for Britain's involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"Japan is among the targets of terrorists," Justice Minister Chieko Noono told reporters, adding the government would adopt stricter immigration measures and monitor the presence of foreigners visiting Japan illegally, especially travelers from Britain.

Chief Cabinet Secretary Hiroyuki Hosoda told a separate news conference that the government would do its utmost to gather information on terrorists and try to prevent them from entering the country, and try to ensure the safety of Japanese overseas.

"The government needs to take all possible measures" to ensure the safety of its people, Hosoda said, adding that extra precautions are needed because Japan could also come under terrorist attack.

National Public Safety Commission Chairman Yoshitaka Murata and transport minister Kazuo Kitagawa separately pledged to double their vigilance to ensure the security of public transportation networks and other key installations.

Defense Agency chief Yoshinori Ono meanwhile vowed to help eradicate terrorism in the international community. "We will take a stern attitude in a bid to combat terrorism. We should not flinch when we face terrorism," Ono told reporters.

Measures to be taken also include intensifying sea patrols by the Japan Coast Guard and the Maritime Self-Defense Force, tightening immigration scrutiny and increasing guards at crowded venues, including the ongoing World Exposition in Aichi Prefecture, Ono said.

Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi, now in Gleneagles, Scotland, for the ongoing Group of Eight summit, said Japan would not bow to terrorism and would bolster antiterrorist steps at home.

"We will have to continue our fight against terrorism, and not give in," Koizumi told Japanese reporters traveling with him Thursday night.

Counterterrorism experts, however, pointed out that Japan is way behind global standards in terms of repelling international terrorists such as the al-Qaeda network.

"If a similar terrorist attack takes place in Tokyo, it is likely that the government will be thrown into chaos," said Makoto Asari, president of Tokyo-based Crisis Intelligence Co., a crisis-management consultancy.

Asari noted that although the Defense Agency and National Police Agency have special forces to fight terrorists, the government does not have an integrated body to make use of them.

The government should set up an integrated crisis team that can gather information, negotiate and work out responses to terrorist attacks on Japanese soil, Asari said.

Nobuhiko Suto, a Democratic Party of Japan lawmaker and an expert on crisis management, said the government has striven to fight terrorists since the 1995 sarin attack on the Tokyo subway system, but more is needed.

Sudo said, "The government needs to organize a department specifically to address terrorism, including analyzing terrorist groups, training experts and dispatching officials to gather intelligence."

Here comes the knee jerk reaction.

ALL THREATS TO THE JAPANESE WA COME FROM OUTSIDE that's why we need 67 trillion yen to keep track of these 'vicious gaijin' GIVE US THE MONEY NOW.

Blinky is dancing in his underwear at this very moment.

[Tsuru]

I stand by what I said. That is the only way to to fully stop it - as logic dictates. You said "I think that was tried with the VC in Vietnam - and that was such a raging success." Where is your factual evidence? The problem here GG is that you don't think.

A bit hypocritical don't you think? I mean first you say nothing stops you from spewing your diarrhea all over this topic, but all of a sudden she has to come with factual evidence on something that by the way is a commonly known fact. You're full of shit.

The only thing anyone needs to do is you learning a little bit about your own country's history.

[Big Booger]

The thing is many people feel anger toward all muslims when this occurs. I think quite a few are angered that moderate muslims don't step forward and condemn these acts as loudly as they should. It is after all their religion that is getting dragged through the mud and abused by these terrorist thugs.

Of course kicking out all terrorists is a near impossibility. Their job is to blend well into the background and shadows of daily life and then strike at the heart of a city when the opportunity is most opportune.

Kicking those fucking anger preaching Imams out of England might go far in curbing some of the violence. Having a vigilant immigration policy that checks up on immigrants on a regular basis could also help curb this kind of shit.

And running extensive background checks on those who apply for UK passports would be another important thing.

Several of the airplane shoe bombers, and the person who killed that Jewish reporter in Pakistan all held UK passports. Obviously it must be easy for these types to get passports in the UK... that should change. Getting a passport should be a very difficult process for a non-native.

What I am trying to understand is how this happens in a place where there's a camera in every nook and cranny....

[Tsuru]

The thing is many people feel anger toward all muslims when this occurs. I think quite a few are angered that moderate muslims don't step forward and condemn these acts as loudly as they should. It is after all their religion that is getting dragged through the mud and abused by these terrorist thugs.

This is exactly how many Europeans feel. Just after 9/11, many muslim organisations in the Netherlands said they felt they could now "come out" of their anonimity and stand up for their beliefs in the political debate, but what that has turned into is that most muslims are represented in quasi-political fringe groups instead of proper political parties. Furthermore, many Dutch people feel angered with muslims as some of the most vocal (young) muslims even condone and support not only the people who are said to have conducted the 9/11 attacks, the Madrid bombings and also the murder on Theo van Gogh (a Dutch journalist and publisher who was murdered by a muslim extremist last year).

The problem with many of these extremists if that they are not from a muslim country. They are second or third generation immigrants whose parents immigrated to Europe, but they are technically a European citizen because their parents or even grandparents were awarded European citizenship, making their children Europeans by law as well. And ironically it's those children who were born and bred in a western society who have the most extreme view on how it should be destroyed

[AssKissinger]

Looks like the Italians see it like Maths Dude.

ROME - Police said Saturday they had arrested 142 people in a two-day anti-terrorism security sweep around Milan prompted by the bombings two days earlier in London.

[Buraku]

Looks like the Italians see it like Maths Dude.

ROME - Police said Saturday they had arrested 142 people in a two-day anti-terrorism security sweep around Milan prompted by the bombings two days earlier in London.

140 does seem too much, is it xenophobic?

but if the polcie have legitimate suspicions, evidence or suspecxt something then they perhaps can do this

over 100 Japanese were involed in the AUM gas attacks

a lot of radical muslim clerics work in London, Osama Bin Laden had offices there in the 90s and Infamous Al-Qaida recruiter Abu Hamza al-Masri a.k.a. Mustafa Kamel was wanted by a U.S. grand jury for providing material support to a foreign terrorist organization. Several Islamic militant groups are preparing attacks on London, making such a strike unavoidable, a radical Muslim cleric said in an interview with a Portuguese magazine. "It's inevitable. Because several (attacks) are being prepared by several groups," Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad told Lisbon's Publica magazine from London, where he is based.

[GuyJean]

Is the only way to garantee no more terrorist acts to deport every single muslim frromm every country.

Shit. You're right. I keep forgetting Timothy McVeigh was Muslim.. Religious cleansing would really work.. History proves it..

GJ

[emperor]

as for Paris' Olympic bid...

[Ol Dirty Gaijin]

In a nutshell, here it goes. F.rom the outskirts of Birmingham.

Tokyo - Amsterdam - Birmingham 13 and a half hours travel time, 4 hours transit and no sleep, get in the taxi to the city centre, taxi driver gets a phone call halfway to town. "The city is blocked". I'm thinking yeah right mate, see the cars. Right you are then. Get out and try to walk to the hotel as not everything is blocked at this stage. Circles detours etc. don't get in the line of sight of the bomb squad, more circles, get to the hotel. Everyone is being evacuated.
OK, go with the crowd. The police makes us go further out of town in two steps. Everyone is calm, just not much info.
End up waiting around until about 12:30 and decide to get out to a hotel on the outskirts because they will not be opening any hotel int the city tonight. Find a hotel and go to bed at 2am so it's something like 30 hrs no sleep with all this drama.

The police handled things well just not much info on what was going on at the time. Back to sleep

[nullpointer]

Shit. You're right. I keep forgetting Timothy McVeigh was Muslim.. Religious cleansing would really work.. History proves it..

GJ

'nuff said. Get a clue, maths dude

[ichigo partygirl]

I feel sorry for the Muslim community in all of this. A tiny percentage of people are freaks and use the religion as justification of such horrific crimes.
Already some stupid ignorant New Zealands are reacting
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10335114

[Mels]

Scary. Mom knows a lady who lives here in Sacto, Ca. Two family members were on the bus that was ripped apart. She is trying to fly to the UK, but having a tough time getting a seat on a flight. Can't imagine having to visit home for funerals.
Too close to home.
US Amtrak (train) and states with massive subway layouts are on high alert. But the news has died down a bit here.
Unbelievable.........

[karekora]

noticed the armed uniformed guys hanging around ikebukuro and ueno now. I think its silly. Sure, its good to be prepared and stop anything before it happens, but seriously, whats the likelihood of whoever did the bombings in london doing the exact same trick in tokyo? The security would be up too high. They'd hit something else.

Then again, if they did manage to hit the subway in any country like they did in London, that'd sure put me off traveling underground....

[GuyJean]

Thought this was interesting..
http://www.terrorize.dk/misc/london/london.terror.games.wmv

A 'terror management company' practicing fake simultaneous attacks on the London public transportation system while the actual bombs were going off..

Anyone heard anything else on this?

GJ