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Postby Mulboyne » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:29 pm

[floatl]Image[/floatl]This is Kim Ikkyon who has been popping up a lot in articles about love hotels. She wrote an undergraduation thesis on the industry while at university in Kobe. She had planned to go on to work with a hotel magazine but her thesis was well-received so she continued her academic work and is now in the last stages of her postgraduate studies. ZakZak (Japanese) calls her "Japan's leading love hotel researcher" and, last month, Bungei Shunju published her work. "The Evolution of the Love Hotel", based on visits to over 300 establishments as well as interviews with management and customers, outlines the history of love hotels and even including details like the introduction of the sukebe isu (erotic sex chair). Kim says that she has never used a love hotel for it's primary function herself since she is too busy with study and part-time restaurant work and always makes sure to get home before 10:30pm because her family is strict. She also says that her first boyfriend lived on his own so there was no need to spend money to get some privacy.

Always a diligent student, she admits that her specialist subject doesn't seem like the most obvious one for her to pursue. It seems that the turning point was when she picked up a magazine advertising love hotels. She had always associated such places with delinquent girls. adulterous affairs and grisly murder cases and was suprised how bright and attractive the hotels seemed. She describes it as a real culture shock to discover how different their advertised image was from how own ideas. Kim says that when word got around about her studies her reputation suffered somewhat and some unsavoury types would accost her to ask for her best recommendations. She didn't get a warm welcome either from love hotel managers who were suspicious of a girl taking photographs of their business during daytime. Eventually, though, through persistence and politeness, she managed to convince them she was serious and they began to tell her more about their operations. She tells ZakZak that she wouldn't mind trying out a love hotel with a husband in the future but says that it would have to be somewhere other than Osaka because all the reception staff know what she looks like now which would be a little embarrassing.
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Postby ttjereth » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:08 pm

Mulboyne wrote:Japan's Leading Love Hotel Researcher


I would've thought someone on here would have qualified for that title.

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Postby hundefar » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:13 pm

I thought this thread was about my mother.
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Postby Takechanpoo » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:18 pm

By the way, most of lovehotelas are managed by Zainichi Koreans as I said before. (This is not rumor but truth.)
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Postby amdg » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:43 pm

Takechanpoo wrote:By the way, most of lovehotelas are managed by Zainichi Koreans as I said before. (This is not rumor but truth.)


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Postby Takechanpoo » Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:07 pm

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Postby Midwinter » Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:42 am

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Postby Typhoon » Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:16 am

Mulboyne wrote:[floatl]Image[/floatl]This is Kim Ikkyon who has been popping up a lot in articles about love hotels. She wrote an undergraduation thesis on the industry while at university in Kobe. She had planned to go on to work with a hotel magazine but her thesis was well-received so she continued her academic work and is now in the last stages of her postgraduate studies. ZakZak (Japanese) calls her "Japan's leading love hotel researcher" and, last month, Bungei Shunju published her work. "The Evolution of the Love Hotel", based on visits to over 300 establishments as well as interviews with management and customers, outlines the history of love hotels and even including details like the introduction of the sukebe isu (erotic sex chair). Kim says that she has never used a love hotel for it's primary function herself since she is too busy with study and part-time restaurant work and always makes sure to get home before 10:30pm because her family is strict. She also says that her first boyfriend lived on his own so there was no need to spend money to get some privacy.

Always a diligent student, she admits that her specialist subject doesn't seem like the most obvious one for her to pursue. It seems that the turning point was when she picked up a magazine advertising love hotels. She had always associated such places with delinquent girls. adulterous affairs and grisly murder cases and was suprised how bright and attractive the hotels seemed. She describes it as a real culture shock to discover how different their advertised image was from how own ideas. Kim says that when word got around about her studies her reputation suffered somewhat and some unsavoury types would accost her to ask for her best recommendations. She didn't get a warm welcome either from love hotel managers who were suspicious of a girl taking photographs of their business during daytime. Eventually, though, through persistence and politeness, she managed to convince them she was serious and they began to tell her more about their operations. She tells ZakZak that she wouldn't mind trying out a love hotel with a husband in the future but says that it would have to be somewhere other than Osaka because all the reception staff know what she looks like now which would be a little embarrassing.


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Postby Bucky » Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:35 am

Bullshit, the garbage workers in my neighborhood are Japanese.

I am just curious, how do you know they are "Japanese"?

In my case I have never really spoken with garbage workers in Japan. Just asking.:)
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Postby kusai Jijii » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:01 am

[quote="Takechanpoo"]Generally zainichi Koreans ever have engaged in specific labors which normal Japanese never try because of "Sekentei(世]

Actually, Take-nihonjin-nisemono-chanpoo actually speaks some truth. But as far a garbage collection goes, its no secret that this (rather lucrative) industry is heavily owned and operated not by zainichi koreans, but by burakumin.
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Postby Greji » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:25 am

kusai Jijii wrote:
Takechanpoo wrote:Generally zainichi Koreans ever have engaged in specific labors which normal Japanese never try because of "Sekentei(世]

Actually, Take-nihonjin-nisemono-chanpoo actually speaks some truth. But as far a garbage collection goes, its no secret that this (rather lucrative) industry is heavily owned and operated not by zainichi koreans, but by burakumin.


Spot on Ji, but I would add that might be better stated as burakumin/yakuza, because in a lot of places, especially some of the places where we (my company) have many of our disposal contracts with them, the short fingered fellows abound and they are in fact, tattooed buraks...
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Postby Greji » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:38 am

Mulboyne wrote:Takechanpoo isn't saying anything new here: it is a matter of fact that outsider groups have done outsider work in Japan and still manage large sections of it. Kim is third-generation Korean and that wouldn't have hurt her in her research in Kansai.


This is correct and you might also add entertainment in that topic. But, as for the so called odd jobs, the lower level might have lower class and/or uneducated Japanese, but they have long be controlled by the gangs. After the war, the "Sangokugumi", which was made up primarily of Koreans, cornered that market as well as the pachinko business. When the war ended and the fellows lost their Japanese citizenship as a result of Japan losing Korea and Taiwan etc, they formed their own gang as a result of being forced out of the traditional Japanese gangs for no longer being considered as Japanese. When they got too powerful, there was an extended gang war where their structure was obliterated and they were eventually reintegrated into the traditional yakuza.

I know this has been discussed before, but this was generally the origin of the bad connotations and gang meanings applied to the term "Sangokujin", which our beloved Blinky always gets in trouble for using.
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Postby Midwinter » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:41 am

Bucky wrote:I am just curious, how do you know they are "Japanese"?

In my case I have never really spoken with garbage workers in Japan. Just asking.:)


Many late nights running the grabage downstairs and making a joke about it with them. Ok, I didn't check their passports, but if they walk like a duck ansd talk like a duck...
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Postby amdg » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:48 am

Of course I know what the zeitgeist is. However, I don’t know for a fact that it is still true that most love hotels are managed by Zainichi. I don’t think anyone here knows either. Someone please prove me wrong. And if they are managed by zainichi, who are they owned by? And who patronizes them?

Take is a one-trick pony, and every thread that has some tangential connection with zainichi gets a dose of his factoids.

So if every thread that can be linked to zainichi by rumour or implication is fair game for a bit of Take’s negative propoganda, then every thread about Japan/Japanese is also fair game for dropping a little information about human trafficking, rape, racism, abduction, loan-sharking and murder in Japan. Right?

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Postby Greji » Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:39 am

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Postby ttjereth » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:02 pm

Midwinter wrote:Many late nights running the grabage downstairs and making a joke about it with them. Ok, I didn't check their passports, but if they walk like a duck ansd talk like a duck...


Here's a post that's going to get me in trouble, but zainichi Koreans are for most intents and purposes Japanese. You aren't generally going to pick them out by the way they speak or look.

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Postby Midwinter » Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:03 pm

ttjereth wrote:Here's a post that's going to get me in trouble, but zainichi Koreans are for most intents and purposes Japanese. You aren't generally going to pick them out by the way they speak or look.


I'm not sure if there's a cultural taboo against this or not, but seeing as how today is Tuesday, I'm going to run my garbage down late and ask those guys. We've always greeted each other and had the occasional laugh, so I figure if I'm polite about it then it shouldn't be too much of a problem.

If these guys turn out as Takechancrap says and are zainichi Koreans, then it's going to be a pretty sad night for Japan in my eyes. I've always found the working class of this country to be far more down to earth, personable, friendly, and hell, human than the salary'd stiffs that are almost guranteed to be Japanese born and bred. The road workers, the garbage men, the taxi drivers, etc are about the only people left in Japan that I can look at and still hold some respect for.
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Postby amdg » Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:23 pm

Yo Mid -
Not a smooth move to ask them that question directly methinks. If they think you are guessing their nationality based on the job they do, they might get offended.
Basically for some people its a big secret and they wouldn't tell just anyone.
And if they're not then they will be surely offended - "What the fuck"? Do I LOOK Korean to you bitch!" ;-)
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Postby Greji » Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:28 pm

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And if they're not then they will be surely offended - "What the fuck"? Do I LOOK Korean to you bitch!" ]

Good point. It can be extremely difficult to get one's clothes straightened up and orderly, after being run through that quaint little trash compactor on the back of the truck...
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Postby kusai Jijii » Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:30 pm

Midwinter wrote: I'm going to run my garbage down late and ask those guys.


How did you get on? Are you in hospital and not able to log on to FG? Or are you dead?
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Postby ttjereth » Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:43 pm

Midwinter wrote:I'm not sure if there's a cultural taboo against this or not, but seeing as how today is Tuesday, I'm going to run my garbage down late and ask those guys. We've always greeted each other and had the occasional laugh, so I figure if I'm polite about it then it shouldn't be too much of a problem.

If these guys turn out as Takechancrap says and are zainichi Koreans, then it's going to be a pretty sad night for Japan in my eyes. I've always found the working class of this country to be far more down to earth, personable, friendly, and hell, human than the salary'd stiffs that are almost guranteed to be Japanese born and bred. The road workers, the garbage men, the taxi drivers, etc are about the only people left in Japan that I can look at and still hold some respect for.


Even with people who you are actual friends with here, that can be a very taboo subject. Not just for zainichi either. My wife's maternal grandfather is Taiwanese, naturalized after serving (forcefully) in the Japanese army in the war (and then being put in jail by Japan for it... whole other story) and I know that my wife's mother used to keep the fact she was half taiwanese a very closely guarded secret until fairly recently, and Taiwanese aren't generally looked upon with anywhere the amount of disdain that those of Korean or mainland China descent are.

Because there are still a lot of people who hold sentiments like Take, for some it's just a matter of not wanting to be limited/restrained by the fact, for others it's because they don't really think of themselves as anything other than Japanese.

I doubt my regular garbage guys are zainichi, but I don't know for certain, honestly I don't care, they are generally okay guys who will chat for a bit and such and don't seem phased by the fact that I'm not Japanese, but living in a working class neighborhood (we are surrounded by factories, metal works, scrap yards etc) I can't say I share you sentiments about working class Japanese in general. I've found there's just as likely to be complete assholes in the working class as anywhere else. I get into fairly regular shouting matches with the shitheads from the metal shop across the street from my house.

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Postby kusai Jijii » Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:57 pm

As my father taught me when I was but a lad,

"son, there cunts the world over, from all walks of life"...;)
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Postby Greji » Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:07 pm

[quote="kusai Jijii"]As my father taught me when I was but a lad,

"son, there cunts the world over, from all walks of life"...]

Thanks for reminding me Ji. It's near quitting time and I think I will stroll over to the local pub and see if I can't bag one.
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Postby Takechanpoo » Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:28 pm

ttjereth wrote:there are still a lot of people who hold sentiments like Take

I just told the fact about zainichi plainly without any sentiment.

And I say again that most of employees of garbage and lovehotel are Japanese.
But most of owner of it are zainichi.
Yeah, stanfpoint reversed between Japanese and zainichi.
Actually not a few of Japan's top 20 wealthy persons are zainichi.
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Postby Midwinter » Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:50 pm

ttjereth wrote:Even with people who you are actual friends with here, that can be a very taboo subject...


Yeah the Mrs seems to think it isn't a good idea either. Anyhoo, I think we can agree that Takechancrap is full of it and only wants to blame someone other than the Japanese for Japan's woes.
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Postby Cortana » Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:11 pm

She would have to have a husband.
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Postby ttjereth » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:25 pm

Takechanpoo wrote:I just told the fact about zainichi plainly without any sentiment.

To split hairs, you made a statement which you consider a fact.

But outside of this thread you haven't exactly been the most impartial of commentators have you?

http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showpost.php?p=175185&postcount=32
http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showpost.php?p=173701&postcount=4
http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showpost.php?p=170421&postcount=45
http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showpost.php?p=168943&postcount=27
http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showpost.php?p=168879&postcount=14
http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showpost.php?p=165960&postcount=14
http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showpost.php?p=162984&postcount=4
http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showpost.php?p=154678&postcount=1
http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showthread.php?p=153197&highlight=zainichi#post153197
http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showpost.php?p=153096&postcount=2
http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showpost.php?p=150766&postcount=37
http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showpost.php?p=152881&postcount=25

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Postby American Oyaji » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:55 pm

My father in law would get drunk sometimes and say in Engrish,
"I am...Korean, undastand?"

I used to think he was joking. Now I'm not so sure.

As for garbage workers. I used to work for a garbage company. I don't recall any Koreans.
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