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Ryokan Want More FG Money

Postby Mulboyne » Fri Sep 03, 2004 5:55 pm

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The Asian Wall Street Journal today has an article on ryokan entitled "Room at The Inn - For Foreigners". The main rationale for the new welcome mat appears to be economic since "about half the ryokan still lose money, says the Japan Ryokan Association". One place mentioned, Atami Seaside Spa & Resort, has even started offering a bed & breakfast deal for about 5,000 yen compared with the dinner deal starting at around 13,000 yen and heading north. Their site on http://www.atamiseaside.com is only in Japanese now but they claim to have English speaking staff.

The online link is subscription only but here are a couple of paragraphs:

Traditional Japanese inns, known as ryokan, are opening their doors to foreign guests - and offering tips on their myriad unspoken rules that made them inhospitable to many non-Japanese in the past.

Ebisuya, a 350-year-old inn near Kamakura, started accepting foreign guests four years ago, when Junko Nagano, the 30-year-old wife of the inn's 20th-generation owner, felt it was a shame to exclude foreigners. She also felt the guests would add to business, and has hired an American staffer to serve foreigners.

...Ryokan owners say they've discovered that foreign guests tend to stay longer than Japanese guests and visit year-round, compared with Japanese guests who tend to come only on weekends and during the holiday seasons. A survey by the ryokan association showed that two-thirds of 1,500 member ryokan were interested in accepting foreign guests this year, up from just one-third two years ago.


The article gives some basic tips on ryokan etiquette and mentions Jeff Aasgard's Japan Guest Houses site.
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Postby omae mona » Fri Sep 03, 2004 6:10 pm

I've noticed a trend for gaijin-hungry ryokans, too. Mrs. Omae Mona and I noticed a pattern which we have been delightedly taking advantage of. Making sure to make the reservation using my gaijin last name, we reserve one of the cheaper rooms. Almost without exception, at check-in time we find ourselves escorted to the nicest room in the place, of course billed at the original cheap rate we requested.

I think the discrimination has toned down, too. At the last ryokan I was at, the illustrated sign urging people not to wash their clothes in the public bath (among other atrocities) (I am not joking) was courteously written in English, Russian, Korean, German, AND Japanese.

But I do think that only the truly f*cked ryokans are going to resort to actively seeking gaijin guests. I think the sad truth is that once a non-trivial percentage of the clientele at a ryokan is foreign and word gets out, the domestic clientele will shrink drastically.

WSJ wrote:Many owners didn't speak English and worried that non-Japanese guests wouldn't adapt to the inns' traditions, which native Japanese know and expect others to follow.
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At the big communal baths, they are expected to fold their clothes in a basket and scrub clean before taking a dip -- gently, without splashing.

WOT?? No splashing? No wonder I always get dirty looks.. How the hell am I supposed to do the backstroke without a little splashing?
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Postby Big Booger » Fri Sep 03, 2004 7:13 pm

omae mona wrote:I think the discrimination has toned down, too. At the last ryokan I was at, the illustrated sign urging people not to wash their clothes in the public bath (among other atrocities) (I am not joking) was courteously written in English, Russian, Korean, German, AND Japanese.


You'd be surprised at the crazy shit gaijin do.. as well as Japanese... hehehe

I've seen a lot at regular hotels.. and a ryokan is supposed to be a different way.. kind of relaxing.. not the party palaces of love hotels..

I've never stayed at a ryokan, but I have stayed at a pension..

One of the nicer places that I recommend to those visiting Kansai is the New Awaji hotel. Their in-room massage and bartender services are excellent. And the schedule private onsen time for couples was amazing. It was the first time I could swim bare ass naked in a public onsen.. I like swimming in the onsen.. I even did a few laps. But expect to pay about 50,000 yen per person per night. The outdoor bath in the room was excellent as well.

Overall I had a good time there. But Ryokan, I and the missus will have to look into.
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Postby Watcher » Sat Sep 04, 2004 4:47 am

Love Ryokans... they make up a large number of my good memories of Japan and are tops on the list of places to take family members to when they visit. Generally when I go I am the only FG but there can be one or two others lurking.
It can be pricey... but most are worth it.
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Postby kotatsuneko » Sat Sep 04, 2004 8:30 am

its high time there were signs in big clear japanese saying "do not shit in the hot spring" at onsen and onsen ryokan

having seen old gits dropping turds and having to move at speed (no small feat after being lulled semi conscious by the heat) to avoid contamination on more than one occasion its about time some home truths about older japanese had some attention too :oops: :twisted: :D
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Postby Mulboyne » Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:59 am

Separate food/lodging deals are available even in Miyajima now. 5.500 yen sounds like a good deal for a night although I've never been to the place.

Yomiuri:In with the inn-crowd

Many Japanese inns have traditionally charged a set price per guest for lodging and two meals....The preferences of guests are...more varied than before. Some guests, including foreign visitors, may not want an expensive dinner, while others care less about the room and more about the food.

In Miyajima, several inns have started pricing lodging and meals separately. Guesthouse Kikugawa, with six Western-style rooms and two Japanese-style rooms, started the service several years ago. Lodging at Kikugawa costs between 5,500 yen and 8,500 yen, while a dinner of Japanese cuisine costs between 3,500 yen and 5,000 yen and breakfast costs 1,000 yen. The services are optional.

Due to its clear pricing and good food, Kikugawa has become one of the most popular inns on Miyajima, and it attracts many foreign guests.
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Postby Mulboyne » Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:56 am

CNN.com: Escaping to Japan's best rests
Journey three hours south of Tokyo and you may stumble upon...a ryokan...where you can experience a taste of traditional Japanese culture and custom that is normally hidden from foreign visitors. Set in the heart of a bamboo grove, Yagyu-no-sho, is one of more than 60,000 ryokans in Japan, an increasing number of which are becoming more accessible to people from abroad. Despite special concessions made to its foreign visitors -- including bigger slippers and longer mattresses and blankets -- it is among 15 inns judged to be among the best by the Luxury Ryokan collection for its preservation of a traditional lifestyle. "Some Japanese-style inns are recently influenced by Asian style, Asian taste. But our ryokan would like to keep the real traditional Japanese style -- no influence of Western or Asian style," said a Luxury Ryokan spokeswoman...more...
From the Luxury Ryokan site:
LUXURY RYOKAN COLLECTION (LRC), a pioneer brand of a selection of high-end ryokans across Japan, was founded by Mr Hiroki Fukunaga, a native of Japan and Ms Cecilia Tee, a Singaporean. Both experienced hoteliers, they share a vision and a passion to develop a brand that will bring together a collection of the finest Ryokans in Japan and to promote these worldwide to discerning travelers with a taste for the finest things in life.
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Postby GomiGirl » Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:46 pm

Stayed at dozens of ryokans over the years and seem to get the same warm hospitality as the other guests. Seems that all guests are created equally.
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