Not again

[Greji]

3 London Underground Stations Evacuated

LONDON (AP) - Three London Underground stations were evacuated at midday Thursday following reports of incidents, British Transport Police said. The Fire Brigade was investigating a report of smoke at one station.

The Warren Street, Shepherds Bush and Oval stations were evacuated. Emergency services personnel were called to the stations, police said.

"People were panicking. But very fortunately the train was only 15 seconds from the station," witness Ivan McCracken told Sky news.

McCracken said he smelled smoke, and people were panicking and coming into his carriage.

Services on the Victoria and Northern lines were suspended following reports of a number of incidents, London Underground said.

The reports came two weeks after four suicide bombers attacked three subway stations and a double-decker bus, killing 52 others.

[Mulboyne]

Incidents being reported at three tube stations and a bus. No injuries so far. One report suggests a detonator went off but not a bomb. That is not confirmed. Police are not treating it as a major incident so far...

[Big Booger]

Incidents being reported at three tube stations and a bus. No injuries so far. One report suggests a detonator went off but not a bomb. That is not confirmed. Police are not treating it as a major incident so far...

BBC is reporting one injury.

[Mulboyne]

One man has been arrested and police have alerted hospitals to look out for one other.

[karekora]

the man that has been arrested might not have anything to do with it though, so the news say. he might have just not been cooperating.

liked watching NHK news 10, they had to waste time for well over 45 minutes, as they wanted to broadcast Tony Blairs statement to London live, but blair was delayed due to this arrest at downing street. they were fumbling around, i felt sorry for them.

3 tubes. 1 bus.
i think its copy cats. the freeks. must go catch the bastards.

[karekora]

the attempted but failed bombing on the tube yesterday were ' meant to kill ' , but they just failed to detonate properly, so the police say.

a guy was shot 5 times (dead) at Stockwell station, its not apparant if he is connected to the bombings or not.

lets hope he is - otherwise the police have got some explaining to do....
. (either that, or they'll say he was involved, even if he wasnt.)

[Samurai_Jerk]

Here are some more details:

police chased a man through the Stockwell subway station in south London, wrestled him to the floor and shot him to death.

MSNBC

[Greji]

[quote/]a guy was shot 5 times (dead) at Stockwell station, its not apparant if he is connected to the bombings or not. lets hope he is - otherwise the police have got some explaining to do....
. (either that, or they'll say he was involved, even if he wasnt.)[/quote]

Well, it was the day after the incident, an Asian looking dude, acting suspicious, wearing a heavy coat on a hot day. He would have to be perceived as a threat by any guardman or policeman. He's called on it and flees by running into the tube system. Maybe I am naive, but it would have seemed to be a tad suspicious to me and I would have also probably blown him away if given the choice. Security should have the right to blow him away if in all appearances he fits the profile (I know, you can't use that) and appears intent on perpetrating the offense.

He may of just been wanking in public without a license, but to bad, he picked the wrong location and the wrong time.

Just me own two cents worth.
[/quote]

[karekora]

but, what if that was you they shot?

if you had nothing to do with it, just 'fitted the profile'?

[Greji]

but, what if that was you they shot?

if you had nothing to do with it, just 'fitted the profile'?

Me Personally? I'm not fond of that (been there, done that and got the TShirt courtesy of some little boogers [no offense BB] in SEA)

However, not being on scene and not knowing how it actually went down, I can't say. But, as I said, the dude is in a heavy coat. He is challenged to stop and runs in to the tube facilities. He is an Asian looking male (or maybe arab). What would do you think you would do? Do you run from a person of authority (who by the way, has a banger) if you know an incident has occurred and you are innocent and just fit the profile?

You can rationalize it many ways. Accidents occur and negligence occurs, but contrary to popular belief, police in must countries do not have a season or a set limit on the number of civilians to bag. The otherside is he walks in to a poplulated area and detonates himself. Which is right?

With what little I can determine from the media coverage, it appears that it might have been a righteous bag. But only time will tell.

[Greji]

LONDON, England (CNN) -- A second suspect has been arrested in connection with four attempted bombings this week in London, police said Saturday.

Scotland Yard said the man was arrested in Stockwell, south London, Friday night by anti-terrorism officers in connection with the failed attacks a day earlier on the city's transit system.

The first arrest came Friday in the same London neighborhood, where police also fatally shot another man in a subway station.

Police said the two detained men will be questioned Saturday.

The arrests came after police released images of four men caught on closed-circuit television at the incident sites around the time the attacks were attempted.

Earlier Friday, authorities shot and killed a man at the Stockwell Underground station. Police said the man shot was not one of the photographed four men being sought.

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Ian Blair said, however, that the fatal shooting was "directly linked to the ongoing and expanding anti-terrorist operation."

Police said the man had emerged from a house that was under police observation, prompting surveillance officers to follow him to the Stockwell station.

It's in south London, one stop and about a mile away from Oval Station, one of the four bombing targets Thursday.

"His clothing and his behavior at the station added to their suspicions," a Scotland Yard statement said.

Witnesses said the man was rushing toward a subway when he was shot at around 10 a.m.

Blair said any death is "deeply regrettable," but said the man refused to obey instructions to stop.

The shooting is a rarity in London, where police generally are not armed except for special response units.

The latest attacks came two weeks to the day 52 people were killed in four bombings targeting the city's mass transit.

As in the July 7 attacks, three subway trains and a double-decker bus were attacked, but in Thursday's case, the four homemade bombs stuffed in backpacks only "partially detonated," said Assistant Police Commissioner Andy Hayman. He noted that it was too early to determine how they went off. One person was wounded.

Hayman said police searched three locations Friday, one of which was in West London. Scotland Yard identified the area further saying, "in West Kilburn, W9." Police cordoned off part of Harrow Road in that area.

It is not clear if one of the three locations mentioned includes the place of the arrest.

The first CCTV image released by police Friday showed a young man in a dark top with "New York" written on it apparently fleeing the Oval station in south London where a bomb was left on a train.

The second image showed a middle-aged man with a moustache wearing a gray T-shirt with a palm tree on it standing on the top deck of the number 26 bus in Hackney, east London.

The third image shows a man leaving Warren Street Underground station in central London at about 12:39 p.m. on Thursday. He was wearing dark clothes.

The fourth image showed a man at Westbourne Park Underground at 12:21 p.m. He later traveled west on the Hammersmith and City line to Shepherds Bush underground where he ran off. He was wearing a dark shirt and trousers, and was later wearing a white vest.

Police also arrested a man at a rail station in Birmingham on Friday. The Snow Hill station was evacuated and cordoned off, police said, and two suitcases were seized at the scene
An east London mosque on Whitechapel Road said it received a bomb threat Friday. The mosque was evacuated, while police checked the building. People were then allowed back inside.
The mother of Germaine Lindsay, one of the July 7 bombers, said she grieves for the victims. Maryam McLeod told reporters on the island of Grenada she is convinced, however, that he was not involved.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I wonder if they identified themselves as police. Or did a bunch of guys in plain clothes pull out guns and yell, "STOP!!"

[AssKissinger]

At first, I thought, well shit, the guy's wearing some kind of big ski jacket in the middle of July, but then I saw some shots of London and everyone was wearing coats and shit, what's it cold all the time there?

[karekora]

nobody is wearing big coats in london at the moment. what were you seeing?

[AssKissinger]

nobody is wearing big coats in london at the moment. what were you seeing?

Some news footage from this week. Not big coats but long sleeves and sweaters and shit.

[Greji]

I wonder if they identified themselves as police. Or did a bunch of guys in plain clothes pull out guns and yell, "STOP!!"

J-people may not know what freeze means, but I do and if a dude, dudes or dudettes pull out anything that is capable of making large noises and large holes, and indicate in anyway, no matter how insignificant, that I should make no further movement, it is instant statute time. Even if it is the NHK collector, I ain't budging. You do not easily out run bullets and they will just simply ruin your whole day.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I wonder if they identified themselves as police. Or did a bunch of guys in plain clothes pull out guns and yell, "STOP!!"

J-people may not know what freeze means, but I do and if a dude, dudes or dudettes pull out anything that is capable of making large noises and large holes, and indicate in anyway, no matter how insignificant, that I should make no further movement, it is instant statute time. Even if it is the NHK collector, I ain't budging. You do not easily out run bullets and they will just simply ruin your whole day.

I've had a gun pulled on me before and I was out like Carl Lewis. Trust me, in those siuations, logic doesn't always win out. Actually, in that case it was probably the right thing to do.

My friend's father use to say fight the gun and run from the knife. Of course I was stupid and drunk enough to try to fight a guy with a knife once. Glad he backed down.

[amdg]

"THE man shot dead by police hunting London's four run-away terrorists had NO connection to the bombings, Scotland Yard has revealed.

Police say they regret the "tragedy" after a suspect was killed as he fled undercover officers onto a tube train.

He was named on Saturday night as Brazilian man Jean Charles de Menezes, 27.

A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "For somebody to lose their life in such circumstances is a tragedy the Metropolitan Police regrets.

"We believe we now know the identity of the man shot at Stockwell Underground station by police on Friday, July 22, although he is still subject to formal identification.

"We are now satisfied that he was not connected with the incidents of Thursday, July 21, 2005."

....

Armed plain-clothes police officer trailed him after he left a house.

He is thought to have caught a bus to Stockwell Tube station, where he reportedly refused to stop when challenged by officers.

Shocked passengers described him tripping and being shot five times in the head by an officer with an automatic pistol.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2004600000-2005340004,00.html


" 'five times in the head' - it's the only way to be sure..."

[karekora]

I do not blame the police for shooting an innocent man. If he had such a clean record as the website suggests, why did he run away from the police when they tried to stop him? Why was he wearing a winter coat on a summer's day? Knowing what had just happened in London, he made a silly decision.

As mentioned before, did the police officers announce clearly that they were police? Thats the only fesible explanation I can come up with. Some guys running towards you with a gun in a tube station? Id run the hell away too. (I know some people say running isnt a good idea, but Im not gonna just stand there so he can shoot me easily. Run in a very not-straight line, make it harder for him and hope he is a bad shot)

But, the police officer that shot him. Why was there need to unload your gun... 5 times?

[hakuman]

I do not blame the police for shooting an innocent man. If he had such a clean record as the website suggests, why did he run away from the police when they tried to stop him? Why was he wearing a winter coat on a summer's day? Knowing what had just happened in London, he made a silly decision.

Maybe he had no visa or something. Did he deserve to be shot and killed for that?

Also, maybe its fucked to be wearing a winter coat in summer, but you shouldnt have to get shot for your fashion sense (or lack of).

[Samurai_Jerk]

Yahoo!

Brazilian media reported that Menezes was an electrician who had been legally living and working in England for the past three years. He originally came from the small city of Gonzaga, some 500 miles northeast of Sao Paulo in the state of Minas Gerais.

"He spoke English very well, and had permission to study and work there," Menezes' cousin Maria Alves told the O Globo Online Web site from her home in Sao Paulo.

[karekora]

I do not blame the police for shooting an innocent man. If he had such a clean record as the website suggests, why did he run away from the police when they tried to stop him? Why was he wearing a winter coat on a summer's day? Knowing what had just happened in London, he made a silly decision.

Maybe he had no visa or something. Did he deserve to be shot and killed for that?

Also, maybe its fucked to be wearing a winter coat in summer, but you shouldnt have to get shot for your fashion sense (or lack of).

maybe not that case, but london is in a state of high alert. 4 bombers on the loose. god knows how many people behind them. At this time, you dont f u.c .k around with police. its asking for trouble.

i agree that they should have shot him in these circumstances. but i disagree with shooting him 5 times in the head. thats just plain wrong.

maybe they should have shot him with a stun gun and checked him out before doing anything more serious.

but as im going bacxk to london in september/october, i want security to be doubly high. not that that makes any difference, after all, they could have succeeded if they had been less amateurish on 21st.

[hakuman]

You know, that makes me think of something. Since 9/11, Americans have voluntarliy given up a portion of their civil liberties in exchange for security. I wonder if the same will happen in England after these bombings.

[karekora]

Subject: IMPORTANT INFO REGARDING LONDON UNDERGROUND

->STATEMENT BEING ISSUED FROM MET -- PLEASE SEE <-

The Metropolitan Police will be strongly advising everyone that the theywill be putting officers on tube stations 24/7 for the next week or more as they highly expect another attack within this time. The police force have been in meetings all morning and will be publicly confirming this later on this evening. They will be advising the public to avoid the tube at all costs for the time being. This news will filter through to the media in the next few hours and if it is not in the Evening Standard it will be on the 24 hour news channels. Please take care on your journeys home, please pass this on to as many people as you know who use the Underground. Piccadilly Circus & Leicester Square were closed for 3 hours earlier today (14/07/2005) and the bomb squad carried out a minor controlled explosion around the station area - this is going on all over Central London.

PLEASE BE CAREFUL TRAVELLING


this was sent to a friend on the 16th July. So they had an incling that something might happen. And they STILL couldnt stop it.

Useless.

[karekora]

I do not blame the police for shooting an innocent man. If he had such a clean record as the website suggests, why did he run away from the police when they tried to stop him? Why was he wearing a winter coat on a summer's day? Knowing what had just happened in London, he made a silly decision.

Maybe he had no visa or something. Did he deserve to be shot and killed for that?

Also, maybe its fucked to be wearing a winter coat in summer, but you shouldnt have to get shot for your fashion sense (or lack of).

from BBC website http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4713651.stm, i quote

Meanwhile, it has emerged Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes, who was killed in error by police on Friday, was in Britain on an out-of-date student visa. Labour peer Lord Ahmed had earlier suggested to the BBC it was possible illegal immigrants would run if challenged by the police.

ok, hakuman, how did you know that....

i stand corrected on all that ive said. poor guy. family may sue. good luck to them...!

[Andocrates]

If I understand the situation correctly they shot him AFTER they subdued him. That's brutal. But, the guy lived there so he should have known running from the police could get him shot. And the British are very capable in war.

[Kuang_Grade]

It's also worth stating that most police in the UK are not armed, and TV shows not withstanding (and the police response after the first tube bomings), most UK folks are not used to seeing people with guns...least of of all, people in plain clothes with them.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000102&sid=at2OKz1S_aBg&refer=uk

The shooting was the first time London police have used special tactics developed to address the threat of suicide bombers, the Guardian newspaper reported today.

Operation Kratos
Under Operation Kratos, special officers are authorized to shoot to kill and are trained to aim for the head to avoid triggering explosive devices that may be attached to the chest or waist, the Guardian said.

The tactics have been in place for about a year and were developed after discussions with Israeli police on how to confront suicide bombers, the newspaper said.

I wonder if they picked that name before or after the release of the PS2 game "god of war".

[Mulboyne]

Subject: IMPORTANT INFO REGARDING LONDON UNDERGROUND

->STATEMENT BEING ISSUED FROM MET -- PLEASE SEE <-

The Metropolitan Police will be strongly advising everyone that the theywill be putting officers on tube stations 24/7 for the next week or more as they highly expect another attack within this time. The police force have been in meetings all morning and will be publicly confirming this later on this evening. They will be advising the public to avoid the tube at all costs for the time being. This news will filter through to the media in the next few hours and if it is not in the Evening Standard it will be on the 24 hour news channels. Please take care on your journeys home, please pass this on to as many people as you know who use the Underground. Piccadilly Circus & Leicester Square were closed for 3 hours earlier today (14/07/2005) and the bomb squad carried out a minor controlled explosion around the station area - this is going on all over Central London.

PLEASE BE CAREFUL TRAVELLING


this was sent to a friend on the 16th July. So they had an incling that something might happen. And they STILL couldnt stop it.

Useless.

Well, that wasn't an official Met message and it didn't appear in the press or newswires. No-one would have suggested that peopel avoid public transport. The message was exactly the opposite.

[Charles]

Police-Shot Brazilian Had Expired Visa

The Brazilian man shot dead by police who mistook him for a suicide bomber in south London had been in Britain on an out-of-date visa, officials say. Jean Charles de Menezes, 27, may have run from police because of his visa situation, BBC reported. The electrician had come to the UK on a student visa, which allows people to work for a small number of hours....More...

The moral of the story is, keep your visa status clean, and you might save yourself from unexpected trouble... like 5 bullets to the brain.

[torasan]

Right. Good advice.