Deface H-Bomb Memorial, Re-Write History

[homesweethome]

Here's How to Correct Japan's History, If you don't like something, Just Cut It Out, That Will Make It All Go Away

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20050727/wl_afp/wwiihistoryjapancrimenuclearhiroshima_050727041734

An avowed nationalist was arrested for vandalising Hiroshima's main memorial to the world's first atomic bombing 60 years ago by chiseling out a reference to Japan's "mistake" of waging war, police said.

The memorial was dedicated in 1952 by then mayor Shinzo Hamai who said the "mistake" referred to Japan's militarism and that visitors to the cenotaph should "pledge never again to repeat the same sin."

[Samurai_Jerk]

Let me beat blackcat to the punch:

This just proves that all JAPS are racist denialist cunts. Rant, rant, rave, rave, etc., etc....

[AssKissinger]

This just proves that all JAPS are racist denialist cunts.

Well said Sammy!

[Mulboyne]

I thought this post looked a bit familiar...
http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4050&start=24

[homesweethome]

This just proves that all JAPS are racist denialist cunts.

Well said Sammy!

I'm not jumping to their defence, but not quite all Japanese I admit.
But enough.

Police estimate the number of groups around 10,000? Membership: 100,000?
These numbers don't mean anything. Even the Police don't know.

http://gaisen.fc2web.com/photo_a.html

[Greji]

What was wrong with this action? He may have been a uioku, but he was right. The word "mistake" was wrong!

Japan went to war on purpose and with a plan!

[Buraku]

Japan went to war on purpose and with a plan!

Yeah some plan

Ordering Japanese to go on kamikaze suicide missions - long after the Nazi-Imperial's rational hope of winning the War had vanished.





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[Greji]

Japan went to war on purpose and with a plan!

Yeah some plan

Ordering Japanese to go on kamikaze suicide missions - long after the Nazi-Imperial's rational hope of winning the War had vanished.

Hey, they had an excellent plan (whether you buy that or not). They were embargoed on oil, so they intended to seize the oil fields in Indonesia and SEA. They could not do this unless they could prevent the US Navy from entering (ala Pearl Harbor plan), the Brits in SEA and Singapore especially. The original plan called for them to pursue the war for 18 months to two years (based on their logistical efforts to sustain combat actions) and then start peace talks with them retaining the Indonesian oil.

Obviously, you were looking at a country that had secretly (abeit an open secret to a lot of people) built one of the world's most strongest Navies against bans imposed upon them by the League of Nations. They had the best attack fighter in the game at that time in the Nakajima Zero and several million men at arms.

Their plan went bad because of leadership and the Japanese ability to follow orders but not give them. The leadership could not agree on anything without a consensus and the Army and Navy would never agree on anything.

If Pearl Harbor had not failed to reach any of its prime objectives, there might be a lot of people around the Pacific Rim speaking Japanese a hell of a lot better than they would have wanted.

Even at the end of the war, Japan still had over a million men in the field and the initial allied troops landing in Japan were, needless to say, a bit nervous. Even after the war, it took a considerable length of time to get that war machine torn down and so if the kamikaze and that type of mindset had been prevailent, or had been anything more than a small contingency by certain units, it would have taken a few more A-bombs or an even greater loss of life to end the war. I seen to recall from military studies long ago when I was in the USAF estimates of the casaulties for the initial landing and securing of Kyushu was in access of one million.

The kamikaze had some great moments in the Philippines sea and also in the Okinawa campaign, but their overall effect was negligible.

But, they did in fact, have a plan and it almost worked. Given the bumbling leadership that failed them at Pearl Habor and the luck of finding their fleet at midway, it could have happened according to their designs quite easily.

Little long here, but just my thoughts

[cstaylor]

If Pearl Harbor had not failed to reach any of its prime objectives, there might be a lot of people around the Pacific Rim speaking Japanese a hell of a lot better than they would have wanted.

The most important objectives weren't even considered: a landing force to completely obliterate the dry docks. Sinking the two aircraft carriers would have been good in the short-term for the Japanese, but destroying the Americans' ability to rebuild and refit ships would have caused far more serious problems.

In addition, why didn't the Japanese patrol the San Francisco and San Diego harbors with submarines? Destroy the Panama Canal? Even with Pearl gone, the Americans could launch new ships from SF or San Diego as quickly as they could be built.

The real problem for the Japanese high-command was over-weening arrogance. When the American ruse using unprotected radio codes over Midway island was played out, the Japanese didn't even consider that it could have been a trap, blindly sending their prized naval forces into a firestorm.

[dimwit]

Even with all that, it still would not have won them the war. Japan never had the kind of industrial base that was needed to take on the US. Most of the US industry was located on the east coast far out of the range of the Japanese to attack it and this by itself only made it a matter of time before Japan lost, whether it was in 1945 or 1947 or whenever.

Specifically they could never match US steel production or oil (which despite the seizure of the Dutch East Indies only supplied Japan with about half it's needs.)

[blackcat]

SAMMY
"Let me beat blackcat to the punch:

This just proves that all JAPS are racist denialist cunts. Rant, rant, rave, rave, etc., etc...."

you got a point to make about the story?

no didnt think so.

[Buraku]

Hey, they had an excellent plan (whether you buy that or not).

A poor plan. remember the war began long before peral harbor,
they defeated the Ruskies some time before but were shit scared of getting dragged into a land war with Russia
this came after a border dispute saw the Russians fire a hellfire storm of shells and missiles on Japan position and Japanese crumbled
Hitler unlike Japan wasn't afraid of Ruskies but Japan knew what would happen when Russia hit back
The Japanese imperials claimed they would liberate Asia but the Indonesians found them far worse than any white boy, Japanese were called 'devils'
their war crimes in Korea and China even shocked the Nazis but for all Japan's fury they could only control limited areas of China while Chinese peasants continued to put up resistance
the attack on the mighty USA was their final mistake

Amercia perhaps made a terrible War-crime when it dropped the A-bomb on Hiroshima
However British, Russians, Australians and Chinese were all hitting back hard and looking for pay back

who knows what would have been left of Japan if the USA didn't make those kamikazes hell bent on self-destuction to shut up and quit

[devicenull]

Even with all that, it still would not have won them the war. Japan never had the kind of industrial base that was needed to take on the US. Most of the US industry was located on the east coast far out of the range of the Japanese to attack it and this by itself only made it a matter of time before Japan lost, whether it was in 1945 or 1947 or whenever.

Specifically they could never match US steel production or oil (which despite the seizure of the Dutch East Indies only supplied Japan with about half it's needs.)

The oil, in the end, was not even protected as it should have been. They started a war with the US over that oil, and the sub commanders were more concerned about the glory of taking out our navy than they were about protecting their oil supply lines. We took out most of their tankers before they ever reached Japan with the oil that they needed because of this. By the end of the war, Japan was toast, even before the nukes. The people were reduced to gathering acorns to supply troops with rations, and we were bombing them without serious challenges.

From my viewpoint, they made 2 major mistakes which cost them the war. They failed to take Hawaii when they controlled the air and had a 5th column of Japanese already on the islands. And they never attacked Russia the way they should have. When Russia was hurting on the western front, the east was relatively calm. A concentration of force to form a land link between them and Germany, and the war would have been completely different. They lacked resources, leadership, manufacturing capacity, and on some level they also lacked teamwork. End result can be seen at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

[Buraku]

they were fucked from day one

Japan was launching a policy to exterminate all non-Japanese
they sent out kamikaze suicide bombers long after any hope of winning any battles were gone
In okinawa - Japan mothers blinded by the anti-gaijin propaganda sacrificed their children like some Incan Mayan pagan ritual

Japan was fucked because Hirohito's only friend was Hitler, and even the Nazis were shocked by the conduct of Japanese

[Greji]

they were fucked from day one

If you read my post and checked a little more of the history, you would not make this as a rationalization. They made mistakes militarily which fucked them, but this occurred along the way. When Nagumo ordered the cut and run from Pearl Harbor and did not order the second launch that would have distroyed the US oil reserves, that was the first of many big blunders made by the general staff and command position senior officers. The destruction of the US aircraft carriers had been their first target and the oil reserves, their second. The carriers were out to sea, so were spared the attack. Nagumo made the typical (then and now) decision of playing it too safe and withdrew. He left over two years of oil supplies and the US carrier group untouched. He was happy to return home and report a great victory with a couple of ships sunk and having inflicted "great damage" to the enemy. He had in fact, accomplished nothing, other than sinking two capital ships and a couple thousand military and civilian killed and wounded. The carriers still had a base of operations and oil sustain their sorties.

The initial plan for two years of war followed by negotiations from a point of power, would have most likely succeeded with either of the above two objectives met and there would have been no carrier task force to intercept their ravage fleet at Midway.

Japan was launching a policy to exterminate all non-Japanese

I would be interested in seeing any sources to back up this statement. Their policy was obviously for J-domination of the Greater Asia Co-prosperity Sphere, they were alledgedly trying to build and they were atrocities, but I have never seen anything to evidence they were trying to annililate all non-Japanese.

they sent out kamikaze suicide bombers long after any hope of winning any battles were gone

Again, not correct. The kamikaze were used throughout the war, most noteably from the Battle of the Philippines Sea. When they first appeared, they had a tremendous psychological effect (or so it was believed based on US news reports on the effects of the "crazed kamikazes"), that the program was continued in support of other military operations. The Japanese general staff believed the war was to be decided by one major naval confrontation like many other greart wars in history. They believed that if they could manuever the allied fleets, primarily US, into a position for an all-out confrontation, they would prevail as Togo Heihachiro had over the Russians, and bring the war to negotiations where they could succeed, because of their position of power. They had the stronger naval forces and even after the midway loss of four carriers, could have still succeeded until the introduction of radar controled guns to the US warships which changed everything. The Yamato had been held out of action in preparation for such a major confrontation. The general staff felt that they could effect this in the Sea of Okinawa (didn't quite work)

In okinawa - Japan mothers blinded by the anti-gaijin propaganda sacrificed their children like some Incan Mayan pagan ritual

Again, where is this recorded at? Although there were cases of such suicides and Japanese soldiers encouraging suicides and even killing civilians based on the propaganda, this was not the norm, otherwise we would still have a serious shortage of Okinawans. But "Incan Mayan pagan ritual" sacrifices?

Japan was fucked because Hirohito's only friend was Hitler, and even the Nazis were shocked by the conduct of Japanese

I don't think any comment on this part is necessary.

[Buraku]

and there we have it folks on one hand we have
- blackcat
who thinks its time Koreans, Aussies, Chinese, Russians suddenly get revenge and atomic payback for what Japan and the Hirohito monsters did


on the other hand we have
- gboothe
our ultimate japanophile that thinks Japan made no mistakes during WW2 and should have rightfully won the war


now if that isn't a fuckedgaijin,
I don't know what is



watch gboothe
take it up the tail pipe for his fellow japanophiles
while some japanese pervert in a blue shirt jerks off

[Greji]

and there we have it folks on one hand we have
- blackcat
who thinks its time Koreans, Aussies, Chinese, Russians suddenly get revenge and atomic payback for what Japan and the Hirohito monsters did


on the other hand we have
- gboothe
our ultimate japanophile that thinks Japan made no mistakes during WW2 and should have rightfully won the war


now if that isn't a fuckedgaijin,
I don't know what is



watch gboothe
take it up the tail pipe for his fellow japanophiles
while some japanese pervert in a blue shirt jerks off

Did I say no mistakes? I guess I made one. I thought Buraku could read English. BTW, how'd you know I was into dogs?

[Buraku]

R u a giver or a taker ?


Clearly your not just into dogs


your into getting ass phucked by some Nippon-dog
while some guy in a Yasukuni blue shirt jerks off in front of the TV cam for all Japanese viewers to see


Ok, I'll try and be more serious about the whole US vs Japan on beef, gowth of EU and China's economic and political role before the 2008-Olympics

Some will be acting as a Japan apologist while the global economics change....
times are changing >> The Chinese growing, domination of the Euro as a world currency, S.Korean sets and electronics growing, French-Russian alliance, growth of Venezuela, people wanting Fujimori justice in Peru



There are those who are bending over-backwards to constantly praise Japan
and makes some look very strange



it will make you look like a 'taker' a guy who will take it up the tail pipe for Nippon

[Greji]

[Buraku]

1
There was no such thing as the Greater Asia Co-prosperity the term was bullshit propaganda

In HongKong the Chinese found out what this co-prosperity meant
while Indonesians thought their Japan-Asian brothers would save them from the bad Europeans, even some folks in Hawaii thought so aswell

but they found it was worse than imperialism filled with Japan-warcrimes that even shocked Nazi


2
Kamikazes were a phuck-up, part of the point of warfare is to keep yourself alive and the other guys beat
and if you're lucky perhaps evening doing it with a small degree of honor

You living while the other guy is beaten

Kamikaze with their hara-kiri seppuku mentality achived neither
their war crime actions made the Western world hate the Japanese more
imperial Japanese were despised more than the Afghans were hated for the WTC attack
the Kamikaze no-surrender mindset, helped Amercia demonize the Japanese and gave them more reason to load the aircraft bombers with the A-bomb

[blackcat]

And then we have "Buraku"who puts words in peoples mouths, jumps to conclusions and fucks it all up!

well done dip shit!

[Greji]

1
There was no such thing as the Greater Asia Co-prosperity the term was bullshit propaganda

In HongKong the Chinese found out what this co-prosperity meant
while Indonesians thought their Japan-Asian brothers would save them from the bad Europeans, even some folks in Hawaii thought so aswell

but they found it was worse than imperialism filled with Japan-warcrimes that even shocked Nazi


2
Kamikazes were a phuck-up, part of the point of warfare is to keep yourself alive and the other guys beat
and if you're lucky perhaps evening doing it with a small degree of honor

You living while the other guy is beaten

Kamikaze with their hara-kiri seppuku mentality achived neither
their war crime actions made the Western world hate the Japanese more
imperial Japanese were despised more than the Afghans were hated for the WTC attack
the Kamikaze no-surrender mindset, helped Amercia demonize the Japanese and gave them more reason to load the aircraft bombers with the A-bomb

I bow to your superior grasp of the war. But you don't get the dog!

[Buraku]

was that post for me Blackcat?

Hey man, you've made it clear about your position on Blinky...that he should be shot, kicked, told to f*ck-off, I think you even made a remark that uyokus should be bombed...

http://www.ifilm.com/player/;jsessionid=ANONYMOUS?ifilmId=2416886&bw=300&mt=WMP

I totally agree that Blinky should shut up or else be removed from government. However there is the idea of free-speech, so although Mayor Blinky has sad some nasty shit he still has the right to do so because Japan is supposed to be a free and democratic nation
if Tokyo's Blinky were to die in a revenge attack an evem more nasty fucker might rise to take his place


Blackcat - Japan is a free country so you can't take away the right for Blinky to say the crap he says
even though I think Shintaro is just a fucking racist

[blackcat]

Buraku
" uyokus should be bombed.."

never said that and never condone violence or suggest Japan should be bombed etc...I do use rough language tho.

I know blinky has the "right" to say what he wants..BUT

1. as a gov. official he has MORE responsibilty to watch what he says than you or I.

2. Most dickheads here cant see thru him and hes never held accountable for what he says (not by J`s anyway)

3. His racist rantings are sending the country down a backward path and creating enimies

4. Hitler enjoyed freedom of speech...does that make it right? or any less dangerous?

Buraku I`m glad you agree with me about blinky I meant please dont take me out of context.

[Greji]

[quote/]
Buraku I`m glad you agree with me about blinky I meant please dont take me out of context.[/quote]

That happens? I thought it was my dog, he was up in arms about!