Koizumi's Dad - Korean Dr. Death

[homesweethome]

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200510/200510190023.html

Koizumi's Father Helped Send Koreans to Their Doom

The father of Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi was a key figure in efforts to lure Koreans living in Japan to North Korea. Junya Koizumi died in 1969.

[Greji]

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200510/200510190023.html

Koizumi's Father Helped Send Koreans to Their Doom

The father of Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi was a key figure in efforts to lure Koreans living in Japan to North Korea. Junya Koizumi died in 1969.

There were a lot of politicians that were trying all sorts of backdoor approaches to North Korea at the time. The largest offenders if you will, were members of the old Japan Socialist Party (JSP). The JSP for years blocked any efforts to sanction, or investigate improprieties concerning the DPRNK. It was one of the major factors in the JSP's eventual downfall and also their blocking of issues is a reason that the "kidnapping cases", which were widely discussed in inner circles, were not openly brought to the public eye earlier.

The attempt to lay claims like this at Junchan's door step because of his old man and Yasukuni, seems a rather crude anti-J-people shot to be fired at this time, when the JSP's and Chosen Soren's significant roles in these type of activities (to appease Uriabuji Kim Il Sung) remain rather relatively untouched.

[puargs]

Maybe it's just me, but I thought most people honor their parents in some way no matter what they did. Personally I think it's incredibly fucking rude and disrespectful for people to dig into someone's personal life like that. Koizumi is not responsible in *any* way for anything his father did, nor should he have to put up with any commentary on the subject. I definitely side with his feelings of making that a "taboo" subject- people should lay off it.

Not that I agree with all of Koizumi's actions. But the poor dude, who wants to hear about shit someone related to him did? Lame.

[Mulboyne]

On the right of that Chosun Ilbo piece is the "Most Viewed Stories" list. I notice that at the top is "Manufactured Transgender Pop Group 'Lady' Set to Debut" which looks like it must have been there since this FG thread back in March:

Japan, Korea, Textbooks, Takeshima, Transsexuals

[dingosatemybaby]

Maybe it's just me, but I thought most people honor their parents in some way no matter what they did. Personally I think it's incredibly fucking rude and disrespectful for people to dig into someone's personal life like that. Koizumi is not responsible in *any* way for anything his father did, nor should he have to put up with any commentary on the subject. I definitely side with his feelings of making that a "taboo" subject- people should lay off it.

Not that I agree with all of Koizumi's actions. But the poor dude, who wants to hear about shit someone related to him did? Lame.

I'm gonna go ahead and have to disagree with you...provisionally. Some huge percentage of Diet members are from multigenerational political dynasties, a la the Bushes and the Kennedys: Koizumi, Aso-the-aho, Makiko, Blinky's demon spawn, that giggling airhead Yuko Obuchi, ad nauseum. If a kid is elected on the basis of his family name, is not the reputation of the family name also pertinent?

[puargs]

You make a good point. I'll concede that if he were only elected through family connections, it would of course be pertinent. I'm not sure if that's the be-all and end-all of it, though. The guy died 40 years ago, and the subject matter people are bringing up about him happened 60 or 70 years ago.

I dunno, both my grandfathers fought in WWII, one of them against Japan, and if anyone EVER bought up their relation to me as a negative, I think I'd flip out and lose it. The only way people can make progress in the world is to forgive and forget. But I think there's not even a need for that for someone who merely has an involved relative.

I'm just sayin I really feel for Koizumi on this one. Dude shouldn't have to put up with that crap.

[blackcat]

lets not forget serious allegations of kozo the bozo raping a HS student when he was in Uni, covered up by his PM dad(sounds like a cunt too)and shipped of to study in the UK till the heat died down. kozo the bozo left his wife and kid and cut of financial support.

on top of this he strolls into YK every year and has fucked hair.

[puargs]

Lol, didn't know about the high school student. Hehe, like I said though, I don't agree with all of his decisions. Just this one. Haha, dang, he is a bozo though.

[Mike Oxlong]

PM Koizumi's grandpa was a big-time Kyushu gangster, according to some Japanese friends...little Jun-kun may not be responsible for his heritage, but a disturbing pattern seems to be developing.

[Reddeville]

You don`t see that there`s a fundamental difference between

Koizumi`s father having been a right-wing, nationalist arsehole with all that accompanies it like shipping those Korean `San Goku Jins` back to where they belong `after the Japanese government in recent times had invaded Korea (as well as other Asian countries to achieve fascist ambitions) and brought them to Japan as slaves

AND

his son showing that he has some idea of how shocking this was and therefore doing what he could as Prime Minister of Japan to at least refrain from actions that open old wounds and show respect for the Koreans (and other Asians) whose countries Japan invaded, enslaved, put killing machines into effect in.

When I last looked the Koizumi Fuck who runs this country wasn`t doing anything to show he understood even the basics of Asian diplomacy or even had a handle of just what it is that`s that`s wrong about Japan`s fascist past.

Instead this rightwing fuck was worshipping at a shrine that he`s felt the need to go to every year since he became Prime Minister of Japan, pisssing all over the feelings of Asians who survived the Japanese fascist occupation and their children, grandchildren etc.

The same shrine that doesn`t represent `peace` unless you`re in George Orwell`s Animal Farm where peace actually means war. The same shrine that celebrates the `glorious` militarism of Japan pre-World War 2, the very same war that unleashed fascism in Asia and countless war crimes.

You`re also conveniently skipping the fact that the person interviewed about Koizumi in the article correctly pointed to the connection between Koizumi`s father`s role in offloading Koreans and sending them in effect to their enslavement/death, and the present Prime Minister who shames his office by repeatedly going to the fascist shrine to worship - a fuck you Korea/China/Malaysia/Singapore/insert other countries` names here stance that anybody other than a moron or a brainwashed Japanese person can see is provocative and far from the excuse of `praying for peace`.

Japan does turn some gaijin`s reasoning abilities to shit.

[Greji]

You don`t see that there`s a fundamental difference between ......-snip-

Koizumi's father lived awhile back and since that time, Japan received a major ass kicking. So whatever occurred then was pretty well finalized with the loss of a million or so.

Annually, I take my wife to your "facist shrine" because three of her "Facist" Uncles were conscripted at age 18 through 20 and sent out to be handly dusted off respectively, on Attu, in the Philippines and somewhere unknown in the Pacific Ocean. As the eldest daughter of the main branch of an old family, she is expected to pay respects to their spirits on behalf of the family. Her family is extremely greatful for these "facist visits" and I am highly convinced that they have no serious thoughts of insulting rest of Asia (most of the members of her family think most of Asia was serious harmed by the Japanese prior to and during the war). It also is a truism that a lot of areas in Asia are not interested in the news coverage and could care less about Yasukuni.

When I was a liason officer to the Korean Government in Seoul (abeit quite a few years ago) there was a great interest of Japanese language among the Koreans who I worked with that had been educated in the Japanese schools as pre-schoolers and grammar school. Because I was a Japanese linquist they sought me out to speak and practiced Japanese. I did not because I had been told by some highly ignorant superiors that in front of the Koreans I should never speak Japanese because of the hate the Koreans have for the Japanese. As a graduate of a government Korean language program that wanted to further my studies in country, I found myself speaking Japanese around my work contacts more than I had the opportunity to use Korean.

I got involved in helping several of them arrange exchange student programs for the children to come to Japan to study in Universities, while there and after returning to Japan. They were people who had lived during and through the Japanese occupation and had seen the worst and had bad things happen to them and/or to their families. Yet strangely they more or less generally looked at it with "shoganai (one actually used the Japanese term)", it was a war and they were an occupying army.

I still have occasional contact with a lot of these people, the very ones who the activists are claiming need to be avenged, and yet, to date, they haven't changed their feelings.

Cutting back to the chase, as long as Koizumi doesn't visit Yasukuni as the Prime Minister of Japan, which I wouldn't condone either, he is legally entitled to go as many times as he wants. It's freedom of religion, so unless you are a communist or aethiest, it really shouldn't be offensive unless you make it so, and the media for one, simply love to do just that.

I have to take my wife again in the spring so if you don't like that either, may I politely say Fuck you and the horse you rode in on!

[Reddeville]

You can take your Japanese wife (you said the word `fascist` about her, not me, and maybe you`ve wiped out your brain cells enough in Japan so you can`t comprehend English anymore judging by response) to anywhere you like. You can take her to North Korea too if you want - maybe you`d be right at home there as reality is in short supply.

Being an ordinary Japanese person visiting Yasukuni Shrine doesn`t make Japan`s Prime Minister anything less of a right wing fuck pissing all over the sensibilities and feelings of Asians. So you`ve met some Koreans interested in Japanese culture? How many scout badges do you want, jackass?

I`ve travelled in Korea, China, Singapore and Malaysia. Surprise, surprise - there were people there, too, who are interested in Japanese culture and study Japanese. What`s new? It doesn`t mean that these same people`s brains have turned to anko like yours and they can`t distinguish between being interested in a culture (just like we are otherwise we wouldn`t have come here in the first place) and viewing placidly and happily like many Japanese, the seemingly complete inability to take responsibility for an ultra nationalist, right-wing military past that resulted in nothing but disaster for those nations and for the Japanese themselves.

Yep, your wife`s family can tell you and anybody about what the War did to them. But can they put it into context - their fascist government`s Nazi-like invasions of other Asian countries? No, I don`t think so buddy. Otherwise they wouldn`t want to go near the Yasukuni Shrine or they`d be petititioning with other Japanese people (who are strangely silent about his issue) for a new place where the Japanese can honor their war dead without doing so at a shrine notorious for flaunting Japan`s recent fascist past.

Probably they are of the usual Japanese school of historical perspective. You know, one day at Hiroshima and Nagasaki the atomic bomb came out of the sky. Just like that. Wasn`t it so inhumane. It was, but it didn`t happen completely out of context.

Japan also seems to have not only turned your brain to anko mush but blinded you as well. Maybe it`s that glorious Rising Sun imagery that the cowardly, fascist wannabes who parade around Yasukuni and other areas in Japan with no complaints from the passive population at large, screaming their xenophobia and racism. Last time I heard those type of shitbags they were calling for Chinese and Korean to be deported back to their countries. Japanese Chinese and Korean that is. Maybe your wife needs to teach you Japanese and you could hear it.

As one of the few politicians to emerge with any credit from this whole worshipping at the altar of Japan`s recent fascist past said, `It`s like the German government representatives going to a Hitler memorial`. New Komeito`s leader may be conservative but he at least understands what`s going on here. Unlike anko-mushed, bullshit-writing fucked gaijin.

[Greji]

Unlike anko-mushed, bullshit-writing fucked gaijin.

As I said, now that I know you are and expert on Asia, you and the horse you rode in on"

[homesweethome]

I just finished reading an article in Newsweek about a speech Helmut Schmidt gave in Tokyo recently, I think he hit the nail on the head.

"Sadly, the Japanese nation doesn't have too many genuine friends in the world outside." It was a syndrome he blamed on "the ambiguity of the Japanese public when it comes to acknowledging the conquests, the start of the Pacific war and the crimes of the past history." His listeners didn't appear to find much consolation in Schmidt's concession that his own country had committed "even worse crimes within Europe."

There really doesn't seem to be any real feelings of remorse that I can tell about anything Japan did in the past among most people. "So what if Koizumi wants to go to Yasukuni, who cares" is the general feeling I get, which is exactly why Japan has no friends and little sympathy and why those 'gaijin' are so upset with Japan. The 'we are the victim' mentality they never seem to get over, and everyone is tired of wiping their eyes at the play acting.