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NEW EU Aibus A380!!!

Postby goldenboy_ge » Tue Jan 18, 2005 8:24 pm

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New 555-passenger jet unveiled today in France


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The Airbus A380 in this image includes a restaurant in the aircraft's first-class section. The new A380 is expected to carry its payload 5 percent farther than Boeing's longest-range jumbo. -- Computer-generated image / Airbus via Getty Images


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By Laurence Frost and Laurent Lemel
Associated Press
January 18, 2005


PARIS -- Airbus, which has delivered more airplanes than Boeing for the second year in a row, is about to unveil another No. 1: the world's largest passenger jet.

The A380, a four-aisle, four- engine, double-decker "superjumbo," will roll onto the tarmac today at Airbus headquarters in southern France, in a lavish ceremony attended by EU leaders and thousands of guests.

Sales have beat expectations so far, and most of the technical problems that have dogged the program have been resolved, at a price.

But the real sighs of relief won't be heard in Toulouse until later -- sometime before March 31, Airbus says -- when the A380 hauls its 280-metric ton (308-ton) frame aloft.

That's when the plane's engineers will begin to find out whether their gargantuan offspring lives up to the performance promises, as the first test-flight data streams in.

Central Indiana residents may get their first look at the freight version of the giant plane.

FedEx Express said Monday it would take delivery of its first A380 in August 2008, and the plane will operate on routes that include the company's Indianapolis International Airport hub.

In a standard three-class cabin configuration, the A380 will carry 555 passengers -- one-third more than the plane it is designed to displace, the Boeing 747.

On a full tank, it also will carry them 5 percent farther than Boeing's longest-range jumbo, Airbus claims, producing costs per passenger that are up to one-fifth below its rival's.

Meeting these targets has been "no picnic," Airbus Chief Executive Noel Forgeard acknowledged last week, when he also confirmed that the A380 is both over budget and slightly overweight.

Forgeard said the plane will weigh in about 1 percent heavier than its target of 277 metric tons (305 tons) but stressed it still will deliver on promised fuel efficiency and other guarantees, since the internal benchmark was deliberately overambitious.

He said the program's $1.9 billion overspend -- 18 percent of its $10.7 billion overall budget at current exchange rates -- likely would be trimmed by a renewed cost-cutting drive.

At the giant hangar where Jean-Claude Schoepf, head of the A380 final assembly line, and his 1,500 engineers and support staff work, wings, nose cones and fuselage sections arrive by road convoys after being transported from Airbus facilities in Spain, Britain, Germany and elsewhere in France.

By 2008, Schoepf plans to hire another 1,000 staff to boost the production rate to one A380 per week.

Airbus has 139 firm A380 orders from 13 airlines and freight companies, worth $39 billion before any discounts on the plane's $280 million list price. A new 747 costs up to $211 million before discounts.

The European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co., which owns 80 percent of Airbus, says the A380 program will break even at about 250 sales.

Over the next 20 years, Airbus sees global demand for 1,250 A380-size behemoths to shuttle passengers between the world's largest airports, which serve as connecting hubs for flights to less busy destinations.



Superjumbo jet unveiled in France
Last Updated Tue, 18 Jan 2005 05:59:21 EST
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TOULOUSE, FRANCE - European leaders have gathered for the official unveiling of the world's largest passenger plane in France, a jetliner that some analysts say will transform international air travel.

The Airbus A380 double-decker plane, with a 262-foot wingspan, a tail as tall as a seven-storey building, cost $13 billion US to develop. It can fly more than 15,000 kilometres without refueling.

The jet seats at least 555 passengers, 33 per cent more than Boeing's 747 and offers 49 percent more floor space. But can carry as many as 840 people, depending on the seat configuration.

Featuring a three-class cabin layout, the "superjumbo" will have space for features such as on-board shops, bars, casinos or nurseries.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair, French President Jacques Chirac, Germany's Chancellor Gerhard Schroder and Spain's Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero – whose governments poured billions of dollars into the project – attended the unveiling at company headquarters in Toulouse, southern France.

The A-380 replaces the Boeing 747 jumbo as the world's biggest passenger plane. Joe D'Cruz, a business professor at the University of Toronto, says it will forever change air travel.

"Transformative, transformative, but it will only transform global travel. That means people travelling very very long distances," he said.

Airbus has taken 149 orders for the $280 million US planes. The company expects to sell 700 to 750 aircraft. So far, Air Canada has not ordered any of the planes.

Airlines will decide how the plane's extra space is used. Virgin company chief Richard Branson said his airline, which has ordered six A380s, will offer casinos and private double beds for first class passengers.

Sheikh Ahmed bin Saee Al Maktoum, the chairman of Dubai-based carrier Emirates, which is so far the largest A380 customer with 45 orders, said the advantages of the aircraft is that it provides lower seat-mile costs, carries more passengers further and consumes less fuel than its competitors.

D'Cruz said the carrier may fly some jets into Toronto's Pearson international airport.

"There's a reason why Emirates might target Toronto because of all the security problems in the U.S. So Toronto could well become for Emirates a hub for people who want to travel from other parts of the world to Latin America," he said.

But Boeing predicted there will only be demand for 400 jets over the next two decades, saying passengers are being drawn to direct flights on smaller, long-range jets like the company's planned 7E7.

The introduction of the superjumbo also presents challenges for airports, which will have to upgrade its infrastructure to accommodate the plane.

For example, London's Heathrow airport says it is spending over $800 million US for double-decker passenger ramps to enlarged baggage conveyors capable of processing 555 passengers on one flight.

The A-380 still must be certified as air worthy. It could be flying passengers by next year.

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Postby vir-jin » Tue Jan 18, 2005 9:04 pm

I red some days ago there was a woman from the netherlands that didn't get out of any airport and was flying for 241 days around the world. She died in the end. She surely had survived in an airbus 380 :wink: .
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Postby goldenboy_ge » Tue Jan 18, 2005 9:17 pm

I'm such an idiot... I forgot the i letter for the Airbus... :oops: :x


I can't imagine how the woman could fly 241 around the globe. No wonder why she couldn't survive- who can survive a permanent time zone change

Die Geschichte ist nicht echt oder....? :lol:
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Postby vir-jin » Tue Jan 18, 2005 9:43 pm

goldenboy_ge wrote:
Die Geschichte ist nicht echt oder....? :lol:


Die Geschichte ist echt! Paul Virilio- fahren fahren fahren :D
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Postby Taro Toporific » Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:33 pm

The PR for the Scarebus A-380(tm) says it will have enough room for "shopping and a casino"....Starbucks, McDonalds. However, once Japan Airlines get their hands on it, the seating will look like this:

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Re: Me ? I'm waiting for a quantum transporter.

Postby dingosatemybaby » Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:43 pm

Taro Toporific wrote:The PR for the Scarebus A-380(tm) says it will have enough room for "shopping and a casino"....Starbucks, McDonalds. However, once Japan Airlines get their hands on it, the seating will look like this:

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Ah, but a soothing paper cup of JAL's special buillion drink will take your mind off all that. But really, think of the time spent loading and unloading the passengers onto this beast, and the time required to get your luggage after a flight. Dingo can't see this catching on sigificantly unless airfares are substantially reduced in compensation. And will this plane be able to land at any airports besides Sydney? Will longer runways be needed to accomodate the greater landing distance the plane doubtless requires?
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Postby goldenboy_ge » Tue Jan 18, 2005 11:19 pm

The PR for the Scarebus A-380(tm) says it will have enough room for "shopping and a casino"....Starbucks, McDonalds.

^That's right. And there will be a bar of course. See the picture above.
Some Airlines plan to integrate showers and a kids room. But look at this, it's amazing:

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Dingo can't see this catching on sigificantly unless airfares are substantially reduced in compensation.

^The air tickets are much cheaper!!

And will this plane be able to land at any airports besides Sydney?

^This big baby requires a long runway like a Jumbo. Nevertheless there's another important issue. These planes need their special XXL hangar and not all countries can effort this, therefore they might hold in France, Frankfurt/Munich (Hamburg?), Dubai and in some other countries for maintenance.


Singapore Airlines will be the first customer to obtain the brand new A380 in 2006. I'm so excited to fly with that big Dumbo.
By the way I always fly with Singapore Airlines, they got the most beautiful stuartdess in the world :lol:

By the way, hi Dingo... long time no see, till now no avatar huh :P
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Postby goldenboy_ge » Tue Jan 18, 2005 11:31 pm

vir-jin wrote:
goldenboy_ge wrote:
Die Geschichte ist nicht echt oder....? :lol:


Die Geschichte ist echt! Paul Virilio- fahren fahren fahren :D



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I simply can't get enough of Airbus...... ^_^

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Postby Skankster » Wed Jan 19, 2005 2:10 am

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This is depressing.

Boeing carries about half of the US GNP (exhaggerated but close)

Boeing was so hardheaded. America just pushing its products on Japan and other asian satelite nations. Not allowing them to develop airplanes...
They needed to re-do the interior for years. The ergonomics and quality of the interior sucked. A one room mansion in tokyo was better than Boeings interior for less space.

I wouldnt be suprised if Japan (namely Toyota announces market entry into the industry).
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Postby goldenboy_ge » Wed Jan 19, 2005 2:47 am

Skankster wrote:-
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This is depressing.

Boeing carries about half of the US GNP (exhaggerated but close)

Boeing was so hardheaded. America just pushing its products on Japan and other asian satelite nations. Not allowing them to develop airplanes...
They needed to re-do the interior for years. The ergonomics and quality of the interior sucked. A one room mansion in tokyo was better than Boeings interior for less space.

I wouldnt be suprised if Japan (namely Toyota announces market entry into the industry).


I totally agree with you and I'd wish- I'm really serious about to see some Japanese made planes.
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Postby Kuang_Grade » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:24 am

goldenboy_ge wrote:
Skankster wrote:-
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This is depressing.

Boeing carries about half of the US GNP (exhaggerated but close)

Boeing was so hardheaded. America just pushing its products on Japan and other asian satelite nations. Not allowing them to develop airplanes...
They needed to re-do the interior for years. The ergonomics and quality of the interior sucked. A one room mansion in tokyo was better than Boeings interior for less space.

I wouldnt be suprised if Japan (namely Toyota announces market entry into the industry).


I totally agree with you and I'd wish- I'm really serious about to see some Japanese made planes.


Here's a recent thread on a related topic
Japan just wants to make planes
http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8868

Although the experience Japan had with building their own jet fighter would be enough to discourage any rational investor.

But if you notice, I don't believe there havet been any US airlines announcing purchases yet. I believe the FAA hasn't given final approval to the designs due to concerns about how long it would take to evacuate the plane (I believe, but I'm not positive, FAA rules require a plane must be able to be completely evacuated in less than 90 seconds in order to be OK to fly by a US passenger airline).

A European Commission research paper on the issue
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:QsSIR2AHGfEJ:www.jaa.nl/research/VERRES, which oddly enough thinks the 90 second threshold is not a huge deal and shouldn't be a deal breaker for anyone.

And also many airports are baulking at the costs of having to build whole new gates with double decker exits when they're not sure how much use these special gates will actually get. So there may be a chicken and egg aspect to this to start out with in some markets. But the gate issue is not a big deal in places where the state carrier is the dominate carrier and they are hand in glove with the airport authorities. And if you look at the early customers of the a380 (who are probably getting buckets of cash thrown at themny Airbus), you'll see that most fit this image (with the exception of Virgin, who'll probably do something like buy a mothballed US military airbase if they can't get any major East Coast US airport go along with them)
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Postby GuyJean » Wed Jan 19, 2005 6:09 am

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WTF is that? A bed for one really fucking tall person or 3 midgets? Er.. I mean, little persons.

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Postby Watcher » Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:18 am

Bah! Boeing was smart not to pursue this route. I'm gonna side with the critics on this one... If I wanted a cruise ship I would take a cruise ship. When I fly I want to get there quickly and comfortably... but primarily quickly. They say this Airbus A380 is to be in service for 40 years... and that it will take at least 250 orders to brek even on the plane...

You know what I want? Faster service. Don't keep me cooped up in a plane with its dehydrating recycled air. Get me on a space plane and from West coast to Tokyo in 40 minutes. That's what I want. No beds. No bars. No freakin' casinos. No beauty salons. Just fast travel to the best ramen shops on earth (and better movies along the way though at 40mins I'll only be able to watch a tv show... so better sitcoms or news).
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Postby Blah Pete » Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:41 am

Can you imagine what a scene the gate will be before boarding time. Most airports gates are already crowded. How long will it take to board and deplane one of these. How many baggage carousels will one flight use?? :?
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Postby AssKissinger » Mon Jan 24, 2005 12:49 am

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Who gives a fuck if it has a bunch of swank BULLSHIT you'll never be able to afford. When people travel overseas they ask the travel agent one question, 'How much?'
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Postby Buraku » Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:06 pm

I was reading India, the Aussies and Koreans are buying the airbus Superjumbo, the American UPS places orders for 10 Airbus A380 Freighters - A380 will allow UPS to to massive lifts, India may look at an alternative design which will allow almost 900 people on board
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Postby Tsuru » Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:23 pm

AssKissinger wrote:Failed Concorde

Who gives a fuck if it has a bunch of swank BULLSHIT you'll never be able to afford. When people travel overseas they ask the travel agent one question, 'How much?'
Maybe you and most other people do, but not everyone does.

That's why most planes have two or three classes. :idea:
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Postby kurohinge1 » Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:11 am

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A Boeing 777 plane broke the world record for the longest flight by a commercial jet when it landed at London's Heathrow airport on a flight from Hong Kong via the Pacific.

Piloted by US captain Suzanna Darcy-Hennemann, the Worldliner jet touched down in west London following a 20,100km, easterly-heading flight from Hong Kong, Boeing said.

The flight lasted 22 hours and 45 minutes after touching down at 1315 GMT (0015 AEDT), 15 minutes ahead of schedule.

The plane, carrying 35 passengers, beat the existing non-stop passenger airline record of 17,414km achieved by another Boeing airliner.

After taking off from Hong Kong, the plane flew over the northern Pacific and then over the northern part of the United States before crossing the Atlantic towards Heathrow.

Boeing, locked in a bitter battle with European rival Airbus for the lucrative long-haul aviation market, said a demonstration model of the new 777-200LR had headed east rather than the usual western route over Russia.

The plane, powered by General Electric aircraft engines, took off with a full load of fuel and carrying airline executives, journalists and paying clients as well as crew members.

The current record for a commercial jetliner flight was set in 1989 by a Boeing 747-400 that flew 17,000km non-stop from London to Sydney.

Boeing hurled a challenge at Airbus in February by rolling out its first 777-200LR, which it claims is the longest-range commercial aircraft in the world.

Lars Andersen, vice president in charge of the 777 program at Boeing Commercial Airplanes, has said the Worldliner could connect any two cities.

It extends the range of the twin-engined 777 family by more than 2750km and would allow non-stop service between New York and Singapore, Los Angeles and Dubai, or Australia and New York, he said.

The Worldliner will be able to carry 301 passengers and 17 tonnes of cargo up to 17,450km, the company said.

The first Worldliner is expected to go into service after being delivered to Pakistan International Airlines in January 2006 ... more


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Postby Greji » Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:05 pm

Tsuru wrote:
AssKissinger wrote:Failed Concorde

Who gives a fuck if it has a bunch of swank BULLSHIT you'll never be able to afford. When people travel overseas they ask the travel agent one question, 'How much?'
Maybe you and most other people do, but not everyone does.

That's why most planes have two or three classes. :idea:


Good shot Tsuru, but "most other people", might even be an overstatement! Have you tried to get the equivalent of a First Class seat on an international flight lately? You need to get your reservation in pretty early! Somebody is sure using them!
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Postby Tsuru » Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:19 pm

Why can't the 777 get its own thread?

In other news: The A380 just went on a tour to some of its future (Asian) customers -

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/BUSINESS/11/10/airbus.changi.ap/index.html

After that it's off to Australia and the UAE.
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Postby Blah Pete » Sun Nov 13, 2005 3:38 pm

I left Singapore on Saturday morning and got see part of the A380. I was planning to get to the airport early to get some pictures. My departure was at 7:15 so it was still dark and heavy rain made it almost impossible to view. :cry:
On Friday they were taxiniing the plane around Changi airport to test the taxi ways and the gates.

According to my contacts at Singapore Airlines they are planning on running a A380 flight into Narita from S'pore. I wonder if the new construction at the North Terminal is for A380 gates.
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Postby kurohinge1 » Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:42 pm

Tsuru wrote:... After that it's off to Australia and the UAE.

Blah Pete wrote:I left Singapore on Saturday morning and got see part of the A380. I was planning to get to the airport early to get some pictures ...


My friend sent me this photo, taken over Sydney this morning, with the caption "Guess what just flew over our place?... "

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Postby IkemenTommy » Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:23 am

Tsuru wrote:Why can't the 777 get its own thread?

In other news: The A380 just went on a tour to some of its future (Asian) customers -

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/BUSINESS/11/10/airbus.changi.ap/index.html

After that it's off to Australia and the UAE.

From what I know, Boeing has not lost one 777 due to mechanical errors... terrorists.. maybe. I don't know the exact number.

Will the A380 live up to the safety standards? The 777 had really good fuel consumtion to maximum passengers ratio. How is Airbus in comparisson? My only complaint about the 777 is the engine noise especially on take-off. The engines sound like they are about fall off every time and it scares the shit out of me. The A340 I once flew from KIX to Dubai was much quieter in respect.
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Postby Tsuru » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:44 am

Comparing the 777 and the A380 is like comparing a saloon car to a minivan. They are two different planes designed for different markets and there can be no comparison, apart from the dry seatmile cost (the universal way of calculating operating cost for airlines), and even that one varies per operator and sector.

I have no figures for the 777 to give you, but in terms of direct operating cost, Airbus claims the A380 is 25% more efficient than the 747-400 we all know.

As far s A340 vs. 777 go, my experiences are exactly the same. The A340, although slower (Mach 0.82 vs. 0.84 for the 777) is much quieter and the A340's 2-4-2 and 2-2-2 seating is much more pleasant to travel in than the 777's 3-3-3 and 2-3-2 configuration in economy and business.

On the inbound leg sitting overwing with my knees in my face on a JAL 777 I could see the plane's number two engine wobble and flex around on its mounting a few inches relative to the wing, much more than I was used to on other aircraft. Sitting behind the wing in an exit row on the outbound leg the 777 was so noisy that I couldn't sleep and my left ear was beeping after 12 hours of it.

Larger fuselage diameter = more seats side-by-side = is more cramped, and more speed means more noise. On the 777, more is most definintely less. Give me the European magic flying carpets anyday.
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