Greenpeace Draws The Line...Finally!

[homesweethome]

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/SYD103208.htm

A Japanese whaling fleet and Greenpeace environmental activists are involved in a stand-off in the remote Southern Ocean near the coast of Antarctica with the two sides accusing each other of ramming their vessels.

Greenpeace said that after a month-long search it had tracked down six Japanese ships -- which set out on Nov. 8 to conduct what Tokyo says is a scientific whaling programme -- several thousand kilometres (miles) south of Perth.

[Greener]

Nice to see that it's okay to be a terrorist if you kill people for the environment. I wish the police or army would round these assholes up and put them away.

[ichigo partygirl]

Nice to see that it's okay to be a terrorist if you kill people for the environment. I wish the police or army would round these assholes up and put them away.

who are assholes?? Greenpeace or the whalers???

Greenpeace wouldnt kill. Have you seen the size of their boat vs the size of the whaling boat?? Please think back and remember more often than not greenpeace end up on the bad end of things - ie The Rainbow Warrior bombing.

[Socratesabroad]

who are assholes?? Greenpeace or the whalers???

I'd have to go with 'Greenpeace' on this one.

Greenpeace wouldnt kill. Have you seen the size of their boat vs the size of the whaling boat?? Please think back and remember more often than not greenpeace end up on the bad end of things - ie The Rainbow Warrior bombing.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but what the research ships [cough]whalers[cough] are doing is legal]Australia's Environment Minister Ian Campbell said that while he shared Greenpeace's opposition to whaling, he wasn't convinced the group was taking the best approach.[/quote]

What Greenpeace is doing is illegal. Maybe they're right, but breaking the law to force their moral views on law-abiding individuals/companies is not action I'd want to support.

[Greener]

Nice to see that it's okay to be a terrorist if you kill people for the environment. I wish the police or army would round these assholes up and put them away.

who are assholes?? Greenpeace or the whalers???

Greenpeace wouldnt kill. Have you seen the size of their boat vs the size of the whaling boat?? Please think back and remember more often than not greenpeace end up on the bad end of things - ie The Rainbow Warrior bombing.

Let's at long last, call Greenpeace exactly what they are and that is TERRORISTS! They have gone out and bombed, attacked and murdered people for decades. Weather you like what the people they are attacking do or not is not the issue. They are abiding by the laws of the land and Greenpeace is attacking them. This makes them in the wrong.

Greenpeace should be taken out for their attacks, not praised for them.

[Greji]

Greenpeace wouldnt kill. Have you seen the size of their boat vs the size of the whaling boat?? Please think back and remember more often than not greenpeace end up on the bad end of things - ie The Rainbow Warrior bombing.

Did you see Rainbow Warrior? I saw it at the pier in Auckland after it was sunk by the French team. It was not a small row boat. They also have (their own) videos of their ships, some of them the size of a freighter, attempting to interfer with ships and attempts to ram fishing fleet ships. These have been shown on TV and even used in court as evidence against them. But, that's possible death to anyone who hits the water in Anartica seas, or the North Atlantic because of being rammed. I don't know that that's happened, but I sure wouldn't paint too rosy of a picture of their deeds, they can be real assholes, no matter how noble they claim their cause!

[Greener]

They can also shut the fuck up about the sinking of the original Rainbow Warrior too. Man, that is the biggest media martyr since Jesus himself. Did it ever occur to anyone that the original RW caused more accidents and deaths than the people they are fighting against?

Terrorism is evil and Greenpeace is no different than Al Queda or their supporters. There is nothing noble about premeditated murder.

[emperor]

Terrorism is evil and Greenpeace is no different than Al Queda or their supporters. There is nothing noble about premeditated murder.

I think youre confusing them with PETA or the Utra-Right-Wing Christian Conservative 'Pro-Life'ers

Ive never heard of greenpeace murdering people... there dosent seem to be much to back that up but i found this:

... an entire class of ten-year-olds..writing in to the minister, saying, "Dear Mr. LeBlanc, If you don't stop [killing seals], I'm going to come and kill you. . ." Who is teaching this person to say that, that if you want to resolve a problem, you threaten somebody with murder?

http://www.noahide.com/greenpeace.htm

[Greener]

Greenpeace invented and were the first to implement a wave of treespiking, causeing the deaths of countless loggers over the years. They have denied this in recent years but this didn't keep them from claiming responcibility for such actions in the 1970's and 80's.

[Greener]

I just read that article and that is a pretty damning piece about Greenpeace's terrorism and lies over the years. I wonder how many people they have killed of those ships they sank over the last 25-30 years. They deserve every shot fired at them.

Here's another article about their BS:

http://users.aol.com/DaveMcCall/terror.htm

[Big Booger]

Long live Greenpeace. Burn in hell Psuedo-Japanese researchers! I hope they ram the fuck out of those J-whalers... sink em, smash em, stick em' in a stew.

[DJEB]

Let's at long last, call Greenpeace exactly what they are and that is TERRORISTS! They have gone out and bombed, attacked and murdered people for decades.

Put down the crack pipe.

[Greji]

Long live Greenpeace. Burn in hell Psuedo-Japanese researchers! I hope they ram the fuck out of those J-whalers... sink em, smash em, stick em' in a stew.

Damn, I was hoping to eat some whale on my next trip to Osaka! I guess that's out now that Booger's got them organized down there!

[kamome]

[quote="Socratesabroad"]Correct me if I'm wrong, but what the research ships [cough]whalers[cough] are doing is legal]

How are the Japanese actions legal? They are just hunting for food under the guise of the research exemption. They are hunting whales for food; that's not legal.

[jingai]

What Greenpeace is doing is illegal. Maybe they're right, but breaking the law to force their moral views on law-abiding individuals/companies is not action I'd want to support.

Not a fan of non-violent civil disobedience are you? What if the law is immoral? Sign me up with ML King and Gandhi on this one.

Also, Greenpeace doesn't ram boats or do anything that could be considered violent (see the "peace" in Greenpeace). That was the Sea Shepherd society- less into the non-violence, more into direct-action. Treep-spiking wasn't Greenpeace either but EarthFirst (who later claimed it was largely a bluff as nobody would cut down stands of trees they claimed to have spiked)

Also, this page is not a published article but a pile of poorly researched crap: http://users.aol.com/DaveMcCall/terror.htm
and undermines the credibility of anyone who would cite it. Check out the page where he demolishes the authority of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles in talking about the effects of chemical exposure

[jingai]

They can also shut the fuck up about the sinking of the original Rainbow Warrior too. Man, that is the biggest media martyr since Jesus himself. Did it ever occur to anyone that the original RW caused more accidents and deaths than the people they are fighting against?

Um, they were protesting the testing (and use) of NUCLEAR WEAPONS (aka "weapons of mass destruction").

Also, are you implying above that Jesus was a crybaby "media martyr?" Merry Christmas to you too.

[homesweethome]

The statement that Greenpeace kills people is a crock! They try to 'harass' the whalers in small inflatable boats and scare away the whales, or at least they try. Japan signed an international moratorium against commercial whaling in 86 and since then has carried out 'scientific studies' killing several hundred whales a year under the guise of science. If you don't like something just put a new sign over it and call it something else, that really changes everything doesn't. Hump. Greenpeace has been criticised for it's Non-violent methods which really don't do much good. The real radical is Sea Shepard who says they are going down there now to 'actually stop the whaling.' Bravo to them. Rumor has it they have shoulder fired TOW weapons which could ruin the day of any whaling boat.

Nuke tipped would be my choice of arsenal, I say give the whalers a taste of their own blubber.

[Greji]

They can also shut the fuck up about the sinking of the original Rainbow Warrior too. Man, that is the biggest media martyr since Jesus himself. Did it ever occur to anyone that the original RW caused more accidents and deaths than the people they are fighting against?

Um, they were protesting the testing (and use) of NUCLEAR WEAPONS (aka "weapons of mass destruction").

Also, are you implying above that Jesus was a crybaby "media martyr?" Merry Christmas to you too.

They did make it a martyr incident didn't they. The "always anti-war" French botched that too! They gave the Kiwi's a real pissisng as they were already mad at the nuke testing in and near their waters. Sinking it right at wharfside where it would remain an attest to the affront to the government and the NZ people was not well thought out. It was then re-floated as a separate symbol of defiance. The French should have blew that baby when it was under steam in deep water and they would have still be searching for it!

[kurohinge1]

Greener, I'm guessing that your family or friends are loggers or something? There must be a reason for your blind hatred towards, and misinformation about, organisations that anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows should be supported.

The fact is, this planet has a finite life. But the way we're treating it, it will become a very uncomforatble place well before the sun dies. If you think of it as a new car, then the wheels are going to fall off before we even get it out of the showroom.

Not all "green" organisations use good methods to push their agendas, and not all members think the same, but Greenpeace has to be one of the most responsible. Their research and organised pressure on companies and governments, including through eduction of the masses, should be respected and supported by all the free-thinking, pollution-sucking citizens on this planet.

It's ironic that your user name is "Greener". Whether it's whaling, sustainable energy use or toxic waste disposal, etc. please, Greener, keep an open mind and think for yourself. I'm not angry at you, only sad that someone's poured such poison in your ears for so many years that you can't see the forest for the trees, ... if they were still there that is.

Merry Christmas anyway. To all.

[DJEB]

BTW, just because someone stings together a few sentences on his website, it does not make that collection of words an "article."

[Socratesabroad]

How are the Japanese actions legal? They are just hunting for food under the guise of the research exemption. They are hunting whales for food]
So says you. Change the laws, fix the system.

What Greenpeace is doing is illegal. Maybe they're right, but breaking the law to force their moral views on law-abiding individuals/companies is not action I'd want to support.

Not a fan of non-violent civil disobedience are you? What if the law is immoral? Sign me up with ML King and Gandhi on this one.

And I'd also be signing you up with Jose Bove and the other anti-globalists, eco-terrorists, abortion clinic bombers, and other moral crusaders on the right.
Breaking the law of the land to force your moral views on others - not a pretty sight...

[DJEB]

Civil disobedience does not "force [its] moral views on others".

[Greener]

Greener, I'm guessing that your family or friends are loggers or something? There must be a reason for your blind hatred towards, and misinformation about, organisations that anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows should be supported.

The fact is, this planet has a finite life. But the way we're treating it, it will become a very uncomforatble place well before the sun dies. If you think of it as a new car, then the wheels are going to fall off before we even get it out of the showroom.

Not all "green" organisations use good methods to push their agendas, and not all members think the same, but Greenpeace has to be one of the most responsible. Their research and organised pressure on companies and governments, including through eduction of the masses, should be respected and supported by all the free-thinking, pollution-sucking citizens on this planet.

It's ironic that your user name is "Greener". Whether it's whaling, sustainable energy use or toxic waste disposal, etc. please, Greener, keep an open mind and think for yourself. I'm not angry at you, only sad that someone's poured such poison in your ears for so many years that you can't see the forest for the trees, ... if they were still there that is.

Merry Christmas anyway. To all.

Maybe I just have a problem with terrorist organizations lying through their teeth about environmental issues that are miniscule at best and turning them into "global catastrophies" and using this as an excuse to bomb boats, spike trees and murder people. Maybe I have a problem with orgainizations attacking things illegally and then crying for martyr status when someone decides to defend themselves against such attacks.

Maybe I have a problem with groups that feel that destruction and murder are good ways to get their point across and as a threat to those who disagree with them. Wait a minute? I just discribed Greenpeace but I also discribed terrorism didn't I?

I have a problem with terrorism and hense, I have a problem with Greenpeace.

[Greener]

The statement that Greenpeace kills people is a crock! They try to 'harass' the whalers in small inflatable boats and scare away the whales, or at least they try. Japan signed an international moratorium against commercial whaling in 86 and since then has carried out 'scientific studies' killing several hundred whales a year under the guise of science. If you don't like something just put a new sign over it and call it something else, that really changes everything doesn't. Hump. Greenpeace has been criticised for it's Non-violent methods which really don't do much good. The real radical is Sea Shepard who says they are going down there now to 'actually stop the whaling.' Bravo to them. Rumor has it they have shoulder fired TOW weapons which could ruin the day of any whaling boat.

Nuke tipped would be my choice of arsenal, I say give the whalers a taste of their own blubber.

Tell that to the families of the people aboard the ships Greenpeace has sunk over the years. As for the RW1, it got what it deserved for trying to stop something that was legal and they had no right to interfere with. Immoral or not, it was legal and there were legal avenues they could have taken but no, they decided that a direct attack was the solution and they got hammered for it. Boo-hoo.

[kurohinge1]

... I just discribed Greenpeace ... didn't I? ...

No, you didn't.

I sincerely hope that you can see through the propaganda and see it more objectively one day. The world has enough misinformed puppets.

[Greener]

... I just discribed Greenpeace ... didn't I? ...

No, you didn't.

I sincerely hope that you can see through the propaganda and see it more objectively one day. The world has enough misinformed puppets.

Oh I forgot, you cannot disagree with people like you can I? YOU ARE ALWAYS 100% CORRECT aren't you? No chance of incorrect or spin-science on your part is there?

I think Greenpeace has done way more harm than good over the years. I have done research on the many half truths and in some cases, outright lies they have been guilty of forcing on people. I love it when they claim to be 100% on the right side and ANYONE who even suggests that they are wrong about anything are evil or are stupid and to be pitied.

That isn't free thinking, it is imposing your will on others. It's also a double standard.

[homesweethome]

The statement that Greenpeace kills people is a crock! They try to 'harass' the whalers in small inflatable boats and scare away the whales, or at least they try. Japan signed an international moratorium against commercial whaling in 86 and since then has carried out 'scientific studies' killing several hundred whales a year under the guise of science. If you don't like something just put a new sign over it and call it something else, that really changes everything doesn't. Hump. Greenpeace has been criticised for it's Non-violent methods which really don't do much good. The real radical is Sea Shepard who says they are going down there now to 'actually stop the whaling.' Bravo to them. Rumor has it they have shoulder fired TOW weapons which could ruin the day of any whaling boat.

Nuke tipped would be my choice of arsenal, I say give the whalers a taste of their own blubber.

Tell that to the families of the people aboard the ships Greenpeace has sunk over the years. As for the RW1, it got what it deserved for trying to stop something that was legal and they had no right to interfere with. Immoral or not, it was legal and there were legal avenues they could have taken but no, they decided that a direct attack was the solution and they got hammered for it. Boo-hoo.

Greener: I don't know where you get your information but your cofusion of LEGAL and MORAL is backasswards. There really is no 'legal' or 'moral' grounds for Japan to continue whaling in a finite world in which everyone around has no choice but to live in. For one group to say 'we are unique therefore we can do whatever we want....blah blah!' Is not only irresponsible, it is immoral. It has a huge effect on the rest of the occupants of the planet, unfortunately.

The rule of law has not been applied to Japan in this respect Yet, because there is no one world court with any enforcement powers. This may come about someday, but in the meantime it is just everybody doing what they think is right and what they want. Japan will do what it wants until somebody stronger or with more tuna balls comes along and makes them stop.

That's just the way it is.

[Greji]

-snip- It has a huge effect on the rest of the occupants of the planet, unfortunately.

This is quite true if you happen to be a Minke Whale!

[DJEB]

Chris, repeatedly calling a group terrorist does not make it so. I know they get more than Faux in News in Winnipeg, I suggest you start watching something else.

[ichigo partygirl]