Japanese vs. Australians

[Jack]

I am just wondering for all the accusations that Japanese people and companies are racist. Who is more racist? The Australians beating up the Lebanese and the Vietnamese and whoever else they hate or Japanese people? I have never heard of stories of Japanese gangs beating up FG (since WWII) but we seem to hear stories of racist Australians every week in the papers.

Or is this one of those things: that's okay if it's us but Japanese people can't do that?

Flame away...

[Tsuru]

Holy shit, I didn't know the great dunnunda was such a cesspool of crime and racism.

Hey, maybe I'll ring up my aunt in Perth in a few hours to ask how many Lebanese gangrapists she helped beating up yesterday or how many aboriginals broke into her house to rape her last night.

[Charles]

Holy shit, I didn't know the great dunnunda was such a cesspool of crime and racism.

Does a fish know water?

[kurohinge1]

[SIZE="4"][color="Red"]Stop! [/color]Jack! You've over-medicated again.[/SIZE]

Perhaps your many "conquests" you boast of mean that you need a lot of prescription drugs for the cooties, but whatever the reason, if you take too many at once, you'll start to see things that aren't really there.



And don't scratch them either.

[Greji]

[SIZE="4"][color="Red"]Stop! [/color][B]Jack! You've over-medicated again.

Half time score: Jack 2-Charles 1

[Currawong]

I don't truly believe that Japan is "racist" in the way of actually having something against foreigners generally, even when it comes to Roppongi bars and Arabs (sorry, bad joke I know) or renting a house etc.

The Japanese are very "this is how it is, this is the way things are done and you don't think beyond that" people who, for the most part, rarely get personal exposure to foreigners (Edit-) in their work. When a foreigner enters their daily life (Edit-) at work, it becomes an experience outside what they've been trained to handle and they immediately become lost. When they are subsequently forced to deal with someone who exists outside the Japanese way of doing things, they get together in a group and create a unique way of dealing with this unknown entity.

There's nothing racist about that in their mindset - even the banning of some types of foreigners from bars, baths and the like is for practical reasons of them having problems with those foreigners. Combine that with them nothing in their cultural mindset that compares with the multicultural societies in Western countries hand-in-hand with a cultural attitude of tolerance.

In simple words, they don't have a concept of tolerating other cultures if it imposes on their way of life.

By the way, the racism in the "great dunnunda" was just a heap of white trash fueled with a lot of beer down at the beach. As I understand it, leb boys rule over their mother as soon as they hit 12 years old, so discipline is rather lacking, not to mention that most leb father's are not rich, so would be out most of the time working their arses off for the family. Boys can be known to run amok in serious ways once they get together in groups wherever they are from.

[Neo-Rio]

The only difference I think between Australian and Japanese racism is that the Aussies are more likely to tell you to your face that they don't like you for whatever reason, whilst the Japanese will just ignore you and pretend you don't exist rather than face up to any discomfort or fear they have of you. The Japanese way means that you're less likely to find out how to deal with the situation (meaning that it's hard as hell to adapt because you're not being told how to), but it means less conflict.

Generally speaking though, it seems to me that the shyness that Japanese people exhibit to foreigners is no different to that which they exhibit to people of their own kind. To us, their behaviour is rude and annoying - to other Japanese people it's just the norm. NOT that I like it at all though....

...and no, learning Japanese does not help this situation much at all.

I have encountered racism though. Trying to speak English will sometimes get an angry "konnichi wa" and brush off which, if I were a tourist, would piss me right off (since I'm not it's partly my fault though, but even still). Also job related issues (certain Japanese companies won't employ you regardless of experience - but you're better off not working for them though because they treat their japanese employees like serfs anyway)

[blackcat]

perhaps you should THINK before you post.

Pauline Hanson
racist politican
less than 20% vote in most conservative state, abused, laughed at, ridiculed by most Australians.. and eventually jailed!

Shintaro Ishihara
more racist politican
80% voted for in Japans largest city
admired, respected, and loved by most Japanese.

have a look at how many refugees australia accepts and japan accepts!

If lebanese gangs went wild in Japan, wouldnt they be gaijin scum Jack?

what do you think would happen if FGs went down a street in Tokyo and destroyed property and cars threatened people with thier life?

this does not mean there is no blame at white aussies, there is but the riots as terrible as they were where not the norm.

[Currawong]

Shintaro Ishihara
more racist politican

Excuse my ignorance of Japanese politics, but racist in what way?

[amdg]

I am just wondering for all the accusations that Japanese people and companies are racist. Who is more racist? The Australians beating up the Lebanese and the Vietnamese and whoever else they hate or Japanese people? I have never heard of stories of Japanese gangs beating up FG (since WWII) but we seem to hear stories of racist Australians every week in the papers.

Or is this one of those things: that's okay if it's us but Japanese people can't do that?

Flame away...

It's news simply because Australians have a greater sense of multiculturalism than most countries, and we like to give anyone a chance to make home there. So when any crime of violence happens against a minority in Australia it makes big press. Not so in the US, where blacks and Hispanics get killed left right and center, without so much as a mention.

[Taro Toporific]

Excuse my ignorance of Japanese politics, but {Ishihara is} racist in what way?

Refer to...

Ishihara referred to the Nanking Massacre as "a story made up by the Chinese."

Ishihara called on the "Self-Defense Forces to be prepared to help police maintain order if "sangokujin*" start riots. *(derogatory term for Chinese and Koreana)

Ishiha said, "obasan without reproductive functions are useless."

Gov Blinky is Japan's most popular politician nationwide, so should FG feel the love.

[American Oyaji]

I have a feeling that Ishihara is going to die soon quite unexpectedly.

Not fron any foul play though.

[Currawong]

Thanks, I had a good read of wikipedia. I'm thinking the correct description of the Japanese is they can show a great deal of intollerance. I'm starting to understand how from a Japanese point of view everything that the Japanese did in various wars in other countries isn't "wrong" by their standards. To suggest such a thing to them would be to suggest that their whole culture is "wrong".

Though this kind of attitude is like that of religious groups who believe their actions were done in God's name, in a sense, they did it in their emperor's name. The Chinese worshipped their ideology and leader and in a different manner so did and do the Japanese. It's the only reasonable explanation that for the Emperor's lineage holding together for such a long time.

Mind you, I think everything can be explained by psychology...

[Mennon]

Anyone who has lived in Sydney or been there for a while would agree that those 2nd 3rd generation Lebonese Australians needed to get their asses kicked. If you haven't seen them, then you can't understand just how bad they were and for how long. It was unfortunate that for years anytime any politician or community leader dared discuss what everyone knew was a problem they were howled down as racists, and at the end it was basically up to the locals to do something about making the place where they live actually liveable. Now, not suprisingly, a lot of genuine racists have taken this as the beginning of some kind of movement to teach all immigrants a thing or two about what it takes to be an Australian, and where is our PM? Right behind them, of course.
There is nothing comparable to that situation in Japan, and we will all be long dead when there is. But hey, the Japanese aren't ready to give their culture away yet, and that's their choice. Good luck to them. When it's gone, you can't get it back.

[Mennon]

I can't stop watching that leaping green llama thing Currawong. Incredible.

[Hanakuso]

Mennon.. Ive lived in Sydney all my life and i dont think anyone needs to have their ass kicked on the basis of their genetic heritage. I think the whole event was more of a local southern Sydney issue, granted there is definatly tension throughout Aust.

Approaching this tension agressivly is counter-productive...

[Jack]

So, we have established that Australians are racist. You are, therefore, in no position to accuse Japanese of being racist in a negative sense because they are not. If anything, you get positive racism in Japan. So from now on, I don't want to hear of Japan being racist understood? Good, now kids, back to school...


P.S. Japanes epeople do things their own way and when foreigners don't know the custom and there is language issue in explaining to the FG in eigo or furansu go or whatever go, they rather not deal with it. This, in my book, is not racism.

[blackcat]

"So, we have established that Australians are racist'

no thats only in your mind and you original intent of the post you dumb fuck!

" So from now on, I don't want to hear of Japan being racist understood?"

with that level of denial... are you sure you arent japanese?

systematic racisism in japan by politicans,media and police...if you can't see that you are a blind. stupid or both.

and I am sure you are.

[amdg]

So, we have established that Australians are racist. You are, therefore, in no position to accuse Japanese of being racist in a negative sense because they are not. If anything, you get positive racism in Japan. So from now on, I don't want to hear of Japan being racist understood? Good, now kids, back to school...


P.S. Japanes epeople do things their own way and when foreigners don't know the custom and there is language issue in explaining to the FG in eigo or furansu go or whatever go, they rather not deal with it. This, in my book, is not racism.

The only positive racism that gaijin guys get is related to either beer, broads or buddies.

You can get free or cheap entry to bars and girls, and you can make lots of ‘friends’. Because that’s what you are as a gaijin – you’re a beer swilling womanizer, and maybe you can teach a few people English while you’re at it. It’s only when you want to become a real person in Japan that you see the *negative* racist side.

P.S. This is what part of the alphabet would look like without the letters Q and R.

[drpepper]

So, we have established that Australians are racist. You are, therefore, in no position to accuse Japanese of being racist in a negative sense because they are not. If anything, you get positive racism in Japan. So from now on, I don't want to hear of Japan being racist understood? Good, now kids, back to school...


P.S. Japanes epeople do things their own way and when foreigners don't know the custom and there is language issue in explaining to the FG in eigo or furansu go or whatever go, they rather not deal with it. This, in my book, is not racism.

I actually thought to reply to this but it is so stupid that I don't know where to begin... whatever.. Japan not racist? (lol) ... newbie get a clue.. I've seen too many of these wanna be FG's posting this stuff. The real FG's will debate the extent or harshness of it but any long timer knows there is racism a plenty. Check like 43 million other threads around here for examples, I am not going to bother listing them again maybe someone else will be more kind and point out links to them for ya...

[blackcat]

anyway "positive racism" is BULLSHIT
racisim is never a positive thing

[Hanakuso]

Word!

[American Oyaji]

NoseShit

[ichigo partygirl]

NoseShit

Nose shit??? LOL thats a new one to me.

[Hanakuso]

In the words of Brittany Spears... or at least some marketing dorks... "everybody has one"!!

[Ketou]

Is there a race that isn't racist??

[American Oyaji]

Nose shit??? LOL thats a new one to me.

Hanakuso = noseshit

or flowershit if you like.

Technically it's a booger.

Is that an alternate identity for Big Booger?

[Hanakuso]

Nuh I only noticed there was a Big Booger after I registered... High-Five Booger!!.. Haha what was this thread about again....

[kurohinge1]

Is there a race that isn't racist??

A street race.



But is a "racist" in favour of, or against, racing?

English is tricky.

[Pencilslave]

Jack,
There is no country on earth that has no racists, as surely as there
is no country where people don't have to eat or sleep. As much as
I sometimes think a lot of the folks here do tend to focus on the
negative aspects of Japan too , but I have to remember that my
opinionprobably comes from my reluctance to give up my rose tinted
view of Japan.

Also from the fact that I've never set foot in Japan, and
those who live there have the experience to back up what they say.
Do I think all Japanese are racist? Not at all. But with Japan being
isolationist for most of it's history, the fault of their goverments, the
shoguns and daimyo's in the past , and pricks like Ishihara today who
through dictatorial rule, or propaganda foster the beliefs of outsiders
being "lesser" or that their influence will taint Japan's "unique" culture,
it's not a big mystery that so much racism institutional or otherwise
exists.
The "Wa" doesn't help matters. In feudal times, it was conform or die.
Now, it's conform or be an outcast.(and you're shit out of luck if
you're the descendants of Burakumin.)

Hope, does survive however. With more folks like Masa of
Masamania.com, and others openly starting to challenge the old
ways, maybe a lot of the old hateful bullshit that comes with
the Wa, will be swept away, from more Japanese deciding to
acknowledge the Honne(The way things really are) instead of
the head in the sand attitude of the Tatamae(the way things seem
to be.)