FGs Can't Work For The Yakuza

[Mulboyne]

[floatr][/floatr]Japan Times: 'Entertainer' sponsors to be mob-free
Parties linked to underworld syndicates will be prohibited starting June 1 from sponsoring foreigners coming into Japan on entertainer visas, the Justice Ministry announced in its public bulletin Monday. The move, stipulated in an amended ministerial ordinance, is aimed at curbing human-trafficking. Foreign women who have entered Japan on "entertainer" visas, ostensibly as singers or dancers, have often been forced to work as hostesses in low-paying bars or nightclubs or to engage in prostitution. Under the new ordinance, companies linked to the yakuza or people who were members of such groups in the past five years will not be allowed to sponsor foreign entertainers. When sponsoring entertainers, companies also will be required to offer contracts paying the workers more than 200,000 yen per month.

[GomiGirl]

All very noble but who honestly thinks that the poor women most at risk for trafficking are going to be applying for visas...

So who has the master lists of companies that are linked to the Yakuza???

[PrivateGaijin]

This is discrimination. Somebody call Debito!

[Greji]

All very noble but who honestly thinks that the poor women most at risk for trafficking are going to be applying for visas...

Good call GG. 99.99999% of the women coming in from Asia under the entertainer visa are coming to hook in one way or the other, before the show, during, or after. They know it before they start. I posted this before and for some reason, got shelled by those from the society for protection of virgins. Those who are being trafficked are in an entirely different category and the Yaks and brokers need to move them as silently and drawing the least amount of attention as possible, which means they will shy way clear of the entertainer heading on real or even phony passports.

So who has the master lists of companies that are linked to the Yakuza???

The Yaks provide those to the cops when one of the companies steps out of line or forgets the protection envelope!

[Greji]

This is discrimination. Somebody call Debito!

Can't be reached tonight, he's out drinking in a Filipina Bar.

[homesweethome]

They know it before they start. I posted this before and for some reason, got shelled by those from the society for protection of virgins.

The Yaks provide those to the cops when one of the companies steps out of line or forgets the protection envelope!

That's probably the case in most places. Around here the Police provide the Yaks with 'the list' that way nobody steps on anybody's toes. 'The list' is available for the right price from the Yaks. That's how they make their money selling 'the list' which of course is 'officially' approved.

[homesweethome]

I just wanted to add that it might be true that FG's can't work for the Yaks, But the Yaks can certainly work for the FG's!

I paid real money to get on 'the list.'

[blackcat]

"They know it before they start."

you got shelled by people who know what they are talking about, its bullshit ALL know from the start.

and the ones that may know don't come here thinking they'll be forced to pay $20.000 US back in debt bondage, passports confiscated and forced to fuck without protection...and if they don't toe the line gang raped/muredered.

http://www.geocities.com/uioeastasia2002/thaisexslavesjapan.htm

http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/Japan.htm

"a typical trafficking scenario is that of Irene Oblitas, a Peruvian who told her story last year to her country's media. She said that in 1998 she boarded a plane with three Japanese businessmen who had promised her a job in a plastics factory.

When she arrived she was raped by all three men and sold to a Yakuza organized crime boss, who branded her across the chest with a 6-inch (15-centimeter) rose tattoo. He forced her to provide sexual services to up to 40 clients a day, she said."

[GomiGirl]

Blackcat - nobody is denying these stories - but they are people who are smuggled in rather than ones that are applying for entertainer visas.

What I want to know is what is being done about the women who are brought here illegally???

[Hanakuso]

I guess its a start that there is finally a law acknowledging that those coming thru on this visa were ending up often as slaves to the mob. Still, I wonder if the person at the immigration desk has the balls to but the denied stamp on a yakuza members application for the 5-10 skantly dressed latino chicks over the other side of the room..

[Hanakuso]

GG... im not sure this only happens to those illegally smuggled..

[Greji]

"They know it before they start."

you got shelled by people who know what they are talking about,

Which I might note, it doesn' t appear you are one. If you read my post, I pointed it out it was for the most part entertainers, not people coming on other visas,or those who have been conned by the traffickers.

Nobody is arguing about that, those cases happen here and elsewhere, more in European countries than the US, but highly concentrated in Asia.

But, you might want to make sure you are in the right church before you begin your sermon! Have you ever met any of these people you are talking about? You might change some of your opinions of these women. Again, these are the hookers.

Even the caveat on your cite says this "....CAUTION: The following links have been culled from the web to illuminate the situation in Japan. Some of these links may lead to websites that present allegations that are unsubstantiated or even false. No attempt has been made to validate their authenticity or to verify their content...."

[blackcat]

Blackcat - nobody is denying these stories

disagree, for years the J gov. did NOTHING and you NEVER saw a media cover the plight of the victims (or even HT in general) they were just illegal FGs!

Jgov only started doing things like in this thread when they were rebuked and humiliated by being dropped to a 3rd TIER country...the denial even made its way into a Yomiuri Japanese language lesson!!

whats happening to the girls that are bought here illegally?

walk down a street in Tokyo/Osaka or anywhere in Japan at night! many are on the street offering sex.

I once saw a mamasan firmly holding onto a Korean girl that was crying and clearly distressed, mamasan speaking to her strongly in korean...and offereing her to every salaryman that passed by..."a first timer" she mentioned....

shinsaibashi osaka.

the laws are most likely tatamae as Yaks can start new companies.

[blackcat]

yes i have met some...whats your point? some here are no doubt hookers for sure! I know, that doesnt mean the rest isn't true.

the sites caveat is not that relevant as you only need to go to amnesty or many other Human rights services...while your there see what happens to FG women in immigration detention centers in Japan.

if you care to look I strated a thread on that topic.

[Greji]

GG... im not sure this only happens to those illegally smuggled..

This is true, but they are the target of choice as they have no where to turn, and are afraid to go to the authorities for repercussions here or in their home country, real or perceived!

On the entertainment hookers side they come in for a fixed period under visa and sponsored. Some of them gamble heavily and buy all sorts of brand goods on loans and credit, where, once they are sufficiently on the hook, a local yak buys out their loans and they're off to the races to pay off the debt to him. but on the whole, these are fewer in number, because even if the girl still has a valid visa, the entertainment tag is an identifier that attracts attention that most yaks don't want. They prefer the illegals

[blackcat]

they do prefer illegals true.
but legals also get abuse

Rob Cox, an Australian who worked as a nightclub agent in Tokyo's Roppongi district for three years since 2000, said he heard from many Australian hostesses and strippers about various forms of abuse.

For example, a 23-year-old stripper from Sydney was raped by four customers at a club after she had drinks probably spiked with drugs.

Others told him they were promised 24,000 Australian dollars a month to work as strippers but got A$15,000 or less, according to Cox, who now lives in Australia.

His job was to provide daily support for hostesses and dancers at several clubs for their accommodations and problems at the workplace, which made him learn how badly the victimized women were suffering physically and mentally, he said.

Cox wrote a book about the women's difficulties and hopes to publish it to raise public awareness in Japan and Australia about the true nature of the industry.

"Girls do know that they would come as hostesses (or dancers) . . . but what they are not told in Australia before they come is that they come to work illegally" or that their jobs could involve sexual abuse, he said.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/print/news/nn01-2005/nn20050113f1.htm

[drpepper]

OH.. my heart bleeds for the Aussie whores that didn't get paid in full.. boo hoo.. boo hoo.. those poor underprivileged 3rd world ignorant bitches didn't have a chance I am sure...

Shheeit most of the Aussie chicks I have met would not have a problem handling 4 j-guys one way or the other... demure they are not. Don't believe everything ya read there kitty.. remember Cox wrote a book.. gee what would make a book interesting hmm white slavery always sells well..

[Greji]

[Greji]

OH.. my heart bleeds for the Aussie whores that didn't get paid in full.. boo hoo.. boo hoo.. those poor underprivileged 3rd world ignorant bitches didn't have a chance I am sure...

Shheeit most of the Aussie chicks I have met would not have a problem handling 4 j-guys one way or the other... demure they are not. Don't believe everything ya read there kitty.. remember Cox wrote a book.. gee what would make a book interesting hmm white slavery always sells well..

Ｇｏｏｄ call Doc. Rob who? Nekko, I don't know how long you have been in Japan, but aren't you a bit interested in how a guy who was in Japan for only a three year stint, knows all the secrets of the yakuza women trade? If you are quoting his job discreption accurately, he was a pimp, and shouldn't you be curious on how one become so such a close confident on the secrets of a Yak's turf during just a three year period. One usually doesn't get this close, unless you taking something heavy to the man himself, such as shabu or ama!

A lot of these clubs, or bars with foreign hookers are "J-studs only". That can be a clue that they have trafficked women, and they don't want foreigners in there that can talk to them outside of the Japanese language. But, this is not a 100% aizu, because in a lot of areas, the syndrome of us GJ dudes bringing all the STDs into Japan still prevails.

But if you keep believing the myriad stories that these hooks have got to tell and also the explanations in the "Japan for Idiots" series presented by Rob Cox and his type, I'd like you to drop by my office (in Roppongi where I am present every day and almost every night) and talk about this ocean front property in Yamanashi I going to sell you.

The trafficking is there and it is not a good thing, but get it right if you've gotta preach about it. It is not as widespread and running amuk in Japan as the Society for Hymen Preservation would have you believe. The reason is there are just too damn many volunteers. So why bring in a shipload of dupped virgins when you got a whole bunch of Filipinas, Thais and Russians who are waiting in line to get a visa (legal otherwise) and will gladly pop-off a few J-chin-chins a night, because it is fewer then they would be doing at home and at a better exchange rate.

There is always the horrible story that will come out when a dupped or trafficked girl is found, but the problem starts after that story comes out. The religions and amnesty and various organizations run with every story they get and do not or have not the means (or common street sense) of verifying them. The result is they end of providing more cover for the illicit trafficking by following off blindly in the wrong direction looking for these poor women and end up being a protection agency for the hookers from the police. First and last, Yaks are businessmen regardless. Women to them, are no more than a commodity to be sold or traded, so they are not going to gamble they whole operation on a couple of quick hits.

All posted before and I believe nekko took exception saying it wasn't true (might have been Buraku and his lovely dog), when I said that all hookers are taught to claim they were trafficked and abused if they are apprehended for either snatch in service or visa overstay. The reason for this, is they have been taught that this is the only chance that should any part of their story be accepted by the authorities, they might be able to evade the five year ban on re-entering Japan that is normally handed out. They hope to draw the attention of such as the Society for Hymen Preservation, and use those tools to fight the ban.

Five years is a life time if you're selling the snapper for your regular salary. As they age, they are going to have to move back in the line of those who are younger. This is determined by the pimps or brokers who operate the visa buisness, legit or otherwise, in their home country. So they will do anything to preclude this ban and if the Society for Hymen Preservation can help, why not.

So regardless of the horrid stories of trafficking that you would like to beat us with, you have to remember that prostitution is the vocation of choice of more than one hooker and it is a staple fact that if she blows the ear wax out of Hashimoto swartz in Roppongi, she is obviously going to get a higher return on her services than if she is puffing on Joe countryman's flopper every night!

[blackcat]

"Shheeit most of the Aussie chicks I have met would not have a problem handling 4 j-guys one way or the other..."

shows what a sympathetic cunt your are! whatever else you say about victims of sexual assault means fuck all!

Gboothe
Ive heard your arguments b4 and they are typical of people that only believe what they see, thats fine but there is a lot you and I dont see, been here 7 years seen a fair bit myself! There is ample evidence of HT but clearly people like you would like to discredit everyone that reports on it..even Ammnesty are "hymen protecters" as you put it.

Japan is a HT nation thats why the were dropped onto the 3 tier rank.

the main issue is talk to a local and see what they say, naturally its all the hookers fault, they don't even think of who the customers are!

"So regardless of the horrid stories of trafficking that you would like to beat us with"

beat you with?? WTF are you on? this shit happens truth is you don't give a fuck.

[drpepper]

Bullshit.. some more Bullshit and then topped off with some more Bullshit.

Sexual assault... heh.. I see Aussie chicks assaulting the poor little J-dudes all the time.. you know fuck all, got anything other than heresay and conjecture?

The Japanese girls have a harder time by far with sexual assaults, but whatever, you seem hell bent on calling out Japan as the be all of shit sucking places in several threads of late, perhaps you should get out while you can. I see mental disorder and/or a serious ass beating waiting for you in the future if you keep walking that line.

[American Oyaji]

Blackcat, calm down.

He isn't disputing that it happens, he is presenting a plausible scenario.

I don't believe that every woman that comes into Japan to work as a prostitute is duped. Some know the score. Some THINK they do. Some don't have a clue.

I mean, if you look at the nations where these girls are coming from, they are servicing foreign men on home soil. If they service foreign men on foreign soil, they loose the "whore" stigma and if it comes out that they were hooking, they can claim they were duped to safe face.

Thailand, The Phillipines and other countries in SE Asia have a Sex Tourism industry. The girls wouldn't do it if the money wasn't good, but the market can get saturated so they export themselves when enough imports don't come in to cover expenses.

OF COURSE women get duped, but those are the ones we hear about.

[blackcat]

I'm calm why dont you tell drpepper to calm down?

"you know fuck all, got anything other than heresay and conjecture?"

go back to school and read, do some searching if you are capable and find the stats from major sources of human rights groups...not that you'd care tho.
"heresay and conjecture" you fucking idiot.


AO
No sorry there is large scale denial of this in Japan...talk to a local!!
Yes many pros are here of there own choice, we all know that but thats the Ishihara line I might add. I never said there wernt hookers here that wanted to be here, but several forget about the Lucy Blackman case and the many other women this happened to, These are often cases we DONT hear about the Blackman case was nearly covered up if not for her fathers actions.



"OF COURSE women get duped, but those are the ones we hear about."
WRONG
In 1999 three Thai women were killed in a fire, they couldnt get out of the aparto as they were chained to the bed, In the same year two SEasians womens bodies were found in Mies forest.

This shit happens and you dont hear about it, as the Jmedia are too busy beating up FGs.

yes Jwomen suffer a lot at the hands of Jmen here proving a point of behaviour..

http://www.geocities.jp/kumstak/alarmanaeng.html

this is far from heresay

http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/Japan.htm

the plausable scenario is Japan has been and is one of the major HT nations.

see sex slaves
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/slaves/
this was a very interesting doco on the Ht from eastern europe to Turkey.

seen that drpepper?

The common theme AO is the girls and women from poor countries are exploited...

'Thailand, The Phillipines and other countries in SE Asia have a Sex Tourism industry. The girls wouldn't do it if the money wasn't good,'

they often do it for their families to survive!!
see that PBS doco and you can see how the women are controled.

[drpepper]

You are the one that started in with the fuck you shit so you need to clamp that shit down before telling others,"you fucking idiot". Like this shit isn't going on and being denied by dozens of countries across the globe. Japan is hardly one of the worst offenders but you seem to have a hard-on for slamming J-land based on.. er.. "plausable senarios", whatever. Ever work for any Yakuza yourself? Know any personally? Talked with any non-whores who got slave traded here? Yeah, whatever. Talk to a local?? LOL Like anyone in the know wouldn't be able to spot a fuckwad like you a mile away.. I mean does this thread even have a specific incident to discuss or was this just something else you wanted to bitch about cause Ichiro pissed you off?

[amdg]

http://foshata.com/?fsh=6TD

[Greji]

I'm calm why dont you tell drpepper to calm down?

"you know fuck all, got anything other than heresay and conjecture?"

Aptly put!

go back to school and read, do some searching if you are capable and find the stats from major sources of human rights groups...not that you'd care tho.
"heresay and conjecture" you fucking idiot.

You are not going to get any factual information in reading about this. If the rights organizations had any proper first hand information, there would be more convictions and more women saved from the actual, repeat, actual cases that can be found.

You have pointed out how the J-authorities look at anything involving FG's with a magnifying glass. Do you honestly believe the Yaks can wholesale import duped women with out more of them being found with this scrutiny? One of your sites states 300 and some were discovered between 2000-2004. That ain't a lot in total numbers, even if they were all "duped" and not volunteers. Do you have any idea how big the sex industry in all countries? That figure is nothing. I would guess that there are more whores turned away at the borders of the USA in a day than that, let alone the ones that get in.

Nobody is arguing that the incidents do not occur, but what is wrong is the huge numbers claimed and it only takes the discovery of one incident to make people, who are sympathetic to the plight of these women, start screaming.

As I posted before, it is common practice for a hooker when apprehended to claim she was abducted and forced into this business as a sex slave, when she had thought she was being hired to be an executive for Toyota motors or some other job. They are taught this by their brokers of the vets in the whore business. It is no more than a ploy to get aid and assistance from rights organizations or well-meaning people, which they believe may mitigate their offenses and get them off the hook with the authorities who don't want the adverse publicity of trafficking.

AObut several forget about the Lucy Blackman case and the many other women this happened to, These are often cases we DONT hear about the Blackman case was nearly covered up if not for her fathers actions.

Off target. FG problem maybe. Lucy returned to Japan and began working in the bar (right up the street) of her own free will. She apparently went out with this dude who had big money and according to reports, he doped her and killed her. A bad case no doubt, but that is in that profession and there are not many naive enough it couldn't happen. She was not trafficked, she was not a slave. It's had to say whether her father was a catalyst in finding her slayer or not. More than likely he did provide the publicity to make the investigation continue, but again this ws an FG thing not a slavery issue.

"OF COURSE women get duped, but those are the ones we hear about."WRONG
In 1999 three Thai women were killed in a fire, they couldnt get out of the aparto as they were chained to the bed,

To use your you verbage, "got a cite on that?"

In the same year two SEasians womens bodies were found in Mies forest./

Did they claim to be abducted or just murdered?

This shit happens and you dont hear about it, as the Jmedia are too busy beating up FGs. yes Jwomen suffer a lot at the hands of Jmen here proving a point of behaviour..

http://www.geocities.jp/kumstak/alarmanaeng.html

this is far from heresay

http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/Japan.htm

the plausable scenario is Japan has been and is one of the major HT nations.

see sex slaves
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/slaves/
this was a very interesting doco on the Ht from eastern europe to Turkey.

seen that drpepper?

Was hearsay mentioned here anywhere?

The common theme AO is the girls and women from poor countries are exploited...

'Thailand, The Phillipines and other countries in SE Asia have a Sex Tourism industry. The girls wouldn't do it if the money wasn't good,'

they often do it for their families to survive!!
see that PBS doco and you can see how the women are controled.

I recommend you move to the Philippines or Thailand right away and begin working on changing their social system if you feel that will stop the problem.

[blackcat]

' One of your sites states 300 and some were discovered between 2000-2004.'
firstly not one of MY sites, and the small # is not worth harping on, they are only some of the ones reported! many nevr are.

as I said watch that PBS documentry and SEE how this process works, you clearly are ignorant to all the facts as many i have talked to about this are...until they take off their phillipines/thailand predjudices and do some serious research themseves, if you can't/dont want to accept japans HT abuse no matter how much eveidence you see thats your choice...keep on blaming the victim...

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2000/japan/

http://ballz.ababa.net/uninvited/immigrants.htm

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:L1NPC1zkqU0J:www.december18.net/web/general/paper30ColombiaJapan.

"The Colombian Embassy in Japan stood out, aggressively working to identify and assist the estimated 4,000 Colombians it believes are human trafficking victims."

http://www.poorbuthappy.com/colombia/node/9199

if this doesnt spell it out for you then forget it...just keep an open mind b4 you start on a "hymen protector group" or some other BS

"you know fuck all, got anything other than heresay and conjecture?""

is not aptly put because as I have provided plenty of links info about this topic, a very misinformed one worldwide...people like drpepper are the ones that know FUCK ALL about this topic anyway.
I didnt put japan on the 3rd tier.

'I recommend you move to the Philippines or Thailand right away and begin working on changing their social system if you feel that will stop the problem.
oh wash your hands ay?
wow you should run for mayor of Tokyo with that denialist attitude...it couldnt be anything "we" do must be those poor SEasian bastards...no how about changing japans social problem?

or go to a fuckedgaijinthailand forum as this is forum about japan!

[Greji]

' One of your sites states 300 and some were discovered between 2000-2004.'
firstly not one of MY sites, and the small # is not worth harping on, they are only some of the ones reported! many nevr are.

If they're not reported, how do you know about them? You got an in with the Yaks?

as I said watch that PBS documentry and SEE how this process works, you clearly are ignorant to all the facts as many i have talked to about this are...until they take off their phillipines/thailand predjudices and do some serious research themseves, if you can't/dont want to accept japans HT abuse no matter how much eveidence you see thats your choice...keep on blaming the victim...

"The Colombian Embassy in Japan stood out, aggressively working to identify and assist the estimated 4,000 Colombians it believes are human trafficking victims."

http://www.poorbuthappy.com/colombia/node/9199

if this doesnt spell it out for you then forget it...just keep an open mind b4 you start on a "hymen protector group" or some other BS

First of all, no one posting has denied that these cases exist! The queston does exist in the huge numbers bantered about by the hymen protectrates and yourself! In your cite it claims 4,000 in one place and 1,700 from all Latin American in another. This is in the same post!

wow you should run for mayor of Tokyo with that denialist attitude...it couldnt be anything "we" do must be those poor SEasian bastards...no how about changing japans social problem?

or go to a fuckedgaijinthailand forum as this is forum about japan!

Good idea! I think I'll run for office. Can I count on your vote?

[kamome]

...you seem hell bent on calling out Japan as the be all of shit sucking places in several threads of late, perhaps you should get out while you can. I see mental disorder and/or a serious ass beating waiting for you in the future if you keep walking that line.

Oh, he's been doing that for a looooong time.

Blackcat and I mixed it up in this thread. I'm glad to see that others have caught on.

[blackcat]

gb
believe what YOU like because no amount of facts will change your narrow mind. you clearly select limited information within organisations that have studied this and try to pull it apart, but you in fact cannot supply anything to discredit them. just BS and insults.

if the facts are well documented goverment information, (links provided just touch the surface) you will find something to BS about showing your lack of open mindedness, or complain about "hymen protectrates"

I won't waste my time with you anymore, but do drop me a line if you have a daughter in SEasia/eastern europe/south america and she goes to Japan to "get work"...probably just another whore!
arent they all.?