Pro-whaling nations huddle in Tokyo, say global whaling body

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Pro-whaling nations huddle in Tokyo, say global whaling body

any opinions/statements?

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lol.. "thank you Dr. Obvious! lol..ok ok..i got that out of my system..anyway..sorry about that..i fixed the link..

[ramchop]

any opinions/statements?

And just what makes whales so special anyway? If there's enough of them for a sustainable harvest then why not?

Is it that they're big?
Is it the sing-song music?
Is it that they're mammals?
Is it that they're too big to be slaughtered in a humane fashion?

People eat meat. It tastes good, and it's good for you.

[Torigaa Fenikkusu]

never had whale meat..is it good?

[Big Booger]

I think that eating intelligent species, ie the ones that communicate is pathetic.. there are many stupider animals, like the pig, chicken and cow to consume. I also think somewhere down the lines whales are related..

Would you eat a chimpanze? I mean we share nearly identical characteristics, they are shown to be highly intelligent, have the ability to communicate etc..

Somewhere, the human GODS have got to say enough and make decisions as to what makes an animal consumable.. I think a whale is not a species we need to hunt... especially if it is endangered..

Would you eat a human? Why not?

What if it were tasty?
What if it were good for you?

By your reasoning ramchop, if it is tasty and good for you, we should eat it.. I just think their should be some sort of distinguishing made between intelligent animals and the not-so or lacking in intelligence...

Just my thoughts,
I have never eaten whale, nor will I ever.. Also I don't think you should eat pets.. even though they are stupid..

God I cannot wait until we develop protein re-sequencers so we don't have to kill anything ever again.
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[ramchop]

I think that eating intelligent species, ie the ones that communicate is pathetic.. there are many stupider animals, like the pig, chicken and cow to consume. I also think somewhere down the lines whales are related..

So it is the sing song music then? All animals communicate. Show me some evidence that the whales are so intellegent. I saw a rabbit jumping through hoops on Japanese TV a couple of nights ago. Are rabbits too intelligent to be eaten?

Would you eat a chimpanze? I mean we share nearly identical characteristics, they are shown to be highly intelligent, have the ability to communicate etc..

Where's the International Gorrillaing Commission? There are pygmies in the Congo feasting on them. No I'm not saying I'd eat a Gorilla, I haven't eaten whale. I just don't see the difference between hunting a deer or hunting a whale.

I think a whale is not a species we need to hunt... especially if it is endangered..

And if it's not endangered?

God I cannot wait until we develop protein re-sequencers so we don't have to kill anything ever again.
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Except the odd Iraqi


Prove to me that whales are intelligent creatures and I'll review my stance on whaling.

[Big Booger]

[ramchop]

[Big Booger]

I'd say we should consider their intelligence as a means to which we accept them as an edible food source...

As for the dolphinese.. that of course was taken out of context but the facts residing in that article are still true...

ON to your hunting point.. Humans, should stay out of the roles of nature.. natural selection is just that natural selection. Nature screwed up making mankind, we are the only animal, that manipulates nature in such a wayas to guarantee the extinction of all species including homo sapien sapien...

Whales are intelligent, dolphins are intelligent...

I believe intelligence resides in the ability to feel pain, to give and avoid pain, and to communicate. Further intelligence requires that the being have a brain that functions.

Now with that definition in mind, I say that all mammals are intelligent. But you take a cow and a whale.. cows are easily replaceable, are domesticated and can be killed "humanely" as you have pointed out.

Imagine if you were a whale and someone harpooned you then drug you backwards by your tail in the water, all the while still alive, then they drag you to a dock, hoist you up, and gut you...

Knowing that, would you want to be that whale? Would you want to suffer so? I think not. I am not a tree hugger but I believe humans have a responsibility to protect and rule in a sane manner.

Using your theory, about protecting species.. shouldn't humans literally kill themselves to save wild animals? After all we are threatening large populations of endangered and near extinct animals.

I also read somewhere that they distinguish hunting (toothed) whales from their grazing cousins... I just don't buy into that either.. Whales' brains are huge, which must mean they have some intelligence..

A better question for you is, "Are humans intelligent?" If so, prove it.
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[ramchop]

ON to your hunting point.. Humans, should stay out of the roles of nature.. natural selection is just that natural selection. Nature screwed up making mankind, we are the only animal, that manipulates nature in such a wayas to guarantee the extinction of all species including homo sapien sapien...

That's impossible. The only way for mankind to stay out of the roles of nature is mass suicide. We are a part of nature. We've fucked up on so many levels, and it will continue no matter how good the intentions. (e.g. stoats were introduced to destroy the introduced rabbits who were fucking up the introduced pasture... hey let's introduce a virus that'll fix it!).

Whales are intelligent, dolphins are intelligent...

Cows are intelligent, pigs are intelligent. The only thing that'd stop me eating those things are if I had to slaughter them myself. Double standards? Possibly. Although I'm aware of the possible double standars it certainly doesn't mean I feel compelled to do anything about it. Meat tastes good, and it's good for you. Then there's the lab rats...

Now with that definition in mind, I say that all mammals are intelligent. But you take a cow and a whale.. cows are easily replaceable,

What makes you think that whales are not easily replaceable? Isn't that the point of a sustainable harvest?

I also read somewhere that they distinguish hunting (toothed) whales from their grazing cousins... I just don't buy into that either.. Whales' brains are huge, which must mean they have some intelligence..

Size isn't everything. Not all retards have smaller brains (and I'm not about to eat a retard )

A better question for you is, "Are humans intelligent?" If so, prove it.

Humans are intelligent... they're just not very responsible.

[Big Booger]

What makes you think that whales are not easily replaceable? Isn't that the point of a sustainable harvest?[/quote]
whale
Gestation periods range from 10 to almost 14 months depending on
> the species and are linked to the annual migration cycle.


cow
The gestation period for a cow is the same as humans
-- 9 months. A newborn calf weighs approximately
80-100 pounds.

so given the number of cattle and the fact that humans control a lot of the breeding of cows, they reproduce faster and more reliably than whales..

whales rely on nature, and when they are hunted they cannot reproduce as successfully as a cow.

That's impossible. The only way for mankind to stay out of the roles of nature is mass suicide. We are a part of nature. We've fucked up on so many levels, and it will continue no matter how good the intentions. (e.g. stoats were introduced to destroy the introduced rabbits who were fucking up the introduced pasture... hey let's introduce a virus that'll fix it!).

Do you think it is impossible? I think it all depends on how you look at it.. in absolute terms, yes you are correct.. but I think it possible for humans to stay out of the roles of nature, especially in cases where we blantantly interject...

Cows are intelligent, pigs are intelligent. The only thing that'd stop me eating those things are if I had to slaughter them myself. Double standards? Possibly. Although I'm aware of the possible double standars it certainly doesn't mean I feel compelled to do anything about it. Meat tastes good, and it's good for you. Then there's the lab rats...

I think cows and pigs are less intelligent than whales and dolphins.. this is just my observation and opinion. I really wished there was another way to sustain life without killing animals.. but yet not sacrificing a way of life or a part of your culture..

I do think that we can live without killing whales.. as whales are not domesticated, nor is it feasible to start domesticating them...

A retard is still intelligent...

How can you prove that humans are intelligent.
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[cstaylor]

How can you prove that humans are intelligent.
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Cognito ergo sum... and twinkies. Could you imagine chimps coming up with twinkies? Okay, scratch that... how about bungee jumping?

::realizing that GomiGirl isn't the only one TUI (Typing Under the Influence of alcohol)::

[cstaylor]

You know, right before I got in the ofuro I realized that I made that mistake... I think I was stuck in that "separated at birth" comment on the other thread...

[cstaylor]

[cstaylor]

I tell you, it was the bottle talking, that's all...

Unrelated: Ultra, when GG posts from her phone, my "FG update" gets the iMode link... I'm pretty sure this is a bug in phpBB.

[ramchop]

so given the number of cattle and the fact that humans control a lot of the breeding of cows, they reproduce faster and more reliably than whales..

whales rely on nature, and when they are hunted they cannot reproduce as successfully as a cow.

All true, but farming and harvesting are different things. For the harvest to be sustainable it'd need to be carefully monitored. This is indeed possible. So I don't think this is a valid reason not to fish for whales. Otherwise we should ban fishing for fish.

Do you think it is impossible? I think it all depends on how you look at it.. in absolute terms, yes you are correct.. but I think it possible for humans to stay out of the roles of nature, especially in cases where we blantantly interject...

So the poor domesticated cow is no longer considered part of nature? Domestication must be one of the most blatant forms of interjecting in how nature works. We control every aspect of the cow's life, from what it eats to who it fucks.

Which is less humane? Keeping pigs in a cell for their entire life prior to a painless execution, or a whale living free for 20+ years before a brief torturise death?

I do think that we can live without killing whales.. as whales are not domesticated, nor is it feasible to start domesticating them...

And we could also live without killing pigs and cows.

A retard is still intelligent...

How can you prove that humans are intelligent.

Well if we go by the premise that a retard is intelligent, then I think it'd be quite easy to prove that a fully functioning human is intelligent.

[Big Booger]

I think, ideally, we shouldn't kill animals period.. but what I am referring to is more along the lines of acceptable loss.. I can accept killing a cow or pig to survive because one, they are domesticated, which if we hadn't domesticated them, we would still be hunters and gathers.. which by the way would be fine with me. (sounds like I am blaming one but at the same time accepting it, which I am doing ) And two they can be replaced rather quickly. Whereas you try making two whales copulate.
Lastly, I will say this, you are correct that a cow, pig, or even chicken has a rotten life for the most part..

Whales cannot be harvested.. try pinning one in.. hehehe It will die. Look at the cost factor associated with the killer whale at Seaworld in Florida.. just not feasible..

As for the intellgence issue of a retard, I was referring to my definiton of intelligence, not urs. Surely what you consider intelligent is different from what I consider intelligent. That was the point I am trying to make about the definition of intelligence.

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[ramchop]

Whales cannot be harvested.. try pinning one in.. hehehe It will die. Look at the cost factor associated with the killer whale at Seaworld in Florida.. just not feasible..

Depending what dictionary and what definition you choose, whales can be harvested.


Yes how do you equate the worth of a life? One sperm whale is as big as 75 cows or over 3 million mice. If the population can be controlled (and that doesn't require any form of domestication) then why not harvest?

Is the sing song 30 minute mating call of a whale really worth that many cows?

[Big Booger]

I say if you can eat whales then you should eat humans too.
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[cstaylor]

I say if you can eat whales then you should eat humans too.
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Yuck, too many preservatives .

[GomiGirl]

I say if you can eat whales then you should eat humans too.
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Yuck, too many preservatives .

Too much cholesterol!!

Supposed to taste like chicken though...

I've had whale - once - eaten under obligation as a guest. It has the same texture as liver but without the strong liver flavour.. Not my thing but I don't I don't care about the intellegence of what we eat or not..as long as it is not gonna bite me back, I pretty much eat anything. Do draw the line at things like dogs in Korea but that is a cultural thing and live monkey brains is just a foul idea. yukko.

However, over-fishing/harvesting/whatever to extinction levels is just wrong! As top of the food chain we need to take more responsbility for the governance of the planet and the protection of species..

[Taro Toporific]

[cstaylor]

Well, the U.S. submarine fleet could use some anti-shipping practice. "Captain Tanaka! We have something large coming up behind us on sonar!"

[Taro Toporific]

Pro-whaling nations huddle in Tokyo, say global whaling body

Japan, Norway lose whaling fight
The National Business Review, NZ, 17-Jun-2003
Anti-whaling nations have won a key vote at the world whaling body's annual meeting in Berlin to beef up protection of whales, despite fierce resistance from whaling countries led by Japan and Norway. The win leaves the future of the commission in doubt.

The so-called "Berlin Initiative" was a motion sponsored by 18 International Whaling Commission (IWC) members to form a conservation panel. Opponents say the initiative will protect all species of whales from hunting for any purpose...

Japan argued vociferously against the move by the IWC into a pure conservation role, saying the commission was set up only to regulate fishing, not prohibit it on ideological grounds....

Japan, which had earlier suggested it might cease making payments to the IWC if the initiative passed, said it was considering all its options.

[ramchop]

Save the Whales - they'll thank you for it

Yesterday, Mr Smith was presumed drowned after he was hit by the tail of a 12m thrashing humpback whale he was working to free from craypot lines off the Kaikoura coast.

"They talk about how whales know you are going to help them - I believe it."

[Taro Toporific]

Save the Whales - they'll thank you for it

Yesterday... he was working to free from craypot lines off the Kaikoura coast.

Mr Smith obviously had been smorking too much "craypot".

These whales can pass by quite close inshore and their large pectoral fins can be a problem when moving through areas where craypots are concentrated. This whale had obviously caught itself in more than one line and in its attempts to free itself had wound the ropes around its body several times.

What the hell are these wacko-confused freshwater CRAYFISH doing getting caught in craypots in the Kiwi ocean?

[Taro Toporific]

Depending what dictionary and what definition you choose, whales can be harvested.

Don't Call Me Ishmael, Call Me Kujira
Plastic - June 18... that the attack on kujira is nothing more than 'a weapon that the West can use to make Japan look bad.'. ...