South Korean military would kick Japan's rear !! ??

[Buraku]

Japan said it would restore amicable relations with South Korea after President Roh Moo Hyun vowed Wednesday to make "stern responses" to the territorial and history disputes with Japan

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=32031
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41813-2005Mar16.html
http://forum.japantoday.com/What_if_Japan_and_South_Korea_go_to_war%3F/m_375017/tm.htm
http://www.jref.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=eace5bb00b17aaf668c926585104d5d8&f=4
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=590297
http://www.geocities.com/mlovmo/page4.html

The furor over the islets called Dokdo in Korea and Takeshima in Japan flared up this week when a local Japanese parliament voted Wednesday to establish a "Takeshima Day"
People say the ten most deadly armies on the planet belong to China, the United States, India, Russia, North Korea, South Korea, Turkey, Israel, Pakistan and Iran
now it looks like Japan is running with its tail between its legs
One site says Koreans are tuff, saying they have new guided missile destroyers, frigates with helicopters, everybody can fight and kill - 24-28 months mandatory service required, ad they have ground based fixed-wing aircraft


I thought the Japanese were improving their attack skills in Iraq ?
Would the S.Koreans smash Japan if it came to war ?
would they kick Japan's rear back to the StoneAge or Meji era !! ??

[AssKissinger]

Would the S.Koreans smash Japan if it came to war ?

Having had the misfortune of living in that dump I can tell you those motherfuckers are bent on revenge. They love to hate. It could also lead to a unified Korea if the North joined in for the south. Admittedly a farfetched scenerio but crazier things have happened. Could Korea win? Probably not. We haven't seen it in our life but Japan can get fired up for war. Don't let 'em fool you. These motherfuckers got the same heart that didn't surrender until two nukes were dropped on civillian targets. I could see how this place could rapidly transform into something really scary. Hell, the only thing that has kept this whole shithole going up in flames is America. And Korea also has a little Korean dick hard on for hating America. If America loses control..kabam! It could happen. Not likely but not impossible. If it does I'll be watching it on CNN somewhere far far away.

[Ketou]

This is probably the most unstable region on earth. At least in terms of potential for large scale war. China, Korea and Japan what a love fest.

If it even looks like happening then I'll be having a beer with AK far far away!

[Ptyx]

The strongest is the rhinoceros. An army of rhinos would crush Japan and Korea in no time. Rhinos are almost invicible if pissed. Sure humans have missiles, bombs and whatnots but i'm talking about an army of rhinos, millions of them running though Tokyo and Seoul crushing people and bathing in their blood. Rhinos are close combat warriors. Wiping them with a nuke would mean wiping tons of civilians and who's got the balls to do that ? No one ! Let's face it rhinos got the world at the tip of their horns. Rhinos are living tanks !
If you're playing fantasy war, my money's on the rhinos.

[Ketou]

The strongest is the rhinoceros. An army of rhinos would crush Japan and Korea in no time. Rhinos are almost invicible if pissed. Sure humans have missiles, bombs and whatnots but i'm talking about an army of rhinos, millions of them running though Tokyo and Seoul crushing people and bathing in their blood. Rhinos are close combat warriors. Wiping them with a nuke would mean wiping tons of civilians and who's got the balls to do that ? No one ! Let's face it rhinos got the world at the tip of their horns. Rhinos are living tanks !
If you're playing fantasy war, my money's on the rhinos.

Ok.........I think you need to stop eating those mushrooms.....

[Blah Pete]

Not going to happen.
Both militaries lack the equipment to attack across an ocean. Even big China would have a hard time attacking Taiwan with the equipment they have.
South Korea is so focused on fighting N. Korea they would have to make major changes in their operations to attack Japan.
Looking at the map, without outside interference Japan could blockade the sea routes to Korea easily.
Have to agree with AK that if you let the dog off the leash Korea would attack Japan.

[AssKissinger]

Both militaries lack the equipment to attack across an ocean. Even big China would have a hard time attacking Taiwan with the equipment they have.

Shrooms indeed. China has intercontinental ballistic missiles. You don't think Korea has the ability to lob missiles over to Japan? You don't think they have ships and jet fighters and so on?

And Rhinos? What you ought to be worried about is hippos. Do you know how many unarmed men it would take to kill just one hippo? Hundreds! Imagine if terrorists were to unleash even just a 1,000 hippos somewhere in Shinjuku!

[tonikoro]

Okay stop..One thought, but this installation (Japan) represents a substantial dollar value attached to The US in the form of investment and trade, as does Taiwan, as does South Korea with China trailing into tune with it's One billion consumers. Not to mention, local military hardware (a good portion of) is supplied by the US and it's manufacturers, or either licensed by American Military manufacturers to aforementioned countries (excluding China, still making knock-offs of coldwar russian patented weaponry). Added, there are several military installations throughout a good portion of Japan and Korea that insure the superiority of the American Military complex in key positions of asia. The Japanese may not have much in the way of Tactical nukes in the region, but we do, or could have them here on the drop of a dime. I dunno about the SDF, but how many US Nuke subs do you think are swimming around the pacific?
The three Branches of the Jietai, though prepared they are, work in support of a network of recon/missile/air/sea/ and ground based ranger units, above which are coordinated with support of american forces here. Those persons (within Japan or otherwise), that have views of animosity toward our very Fucked Gaijin'ness, are provided the luxory (dare i say 'freedom') of their criticism at the assistance of security that our very presence provides (ala the American taxpayer and a slight contributution from the Anpou-Jyoyaku BS). Korea vs. Japan, not likely, not unless you're seeking the return of "Made in America" Home electronics. China vs. Taiwan? -Fuck, that would really screw the price of ram.. Oh shit, Apple's factory is in China! -No way! China, more than war has it's economy and WTO membership to think of. Moderate capitalism, working it's way..

Hippos?! Rhinos?!
-Man, All you NEED is a few Hungry African Lions! hippos are big and amphibious, the mighty Rhino sure is armed with his horn and massive charging brute. Though, truth it be known, the Lion is a Killer. Cold, cunning, self-sufficient as a hunter, and deadly accurate with body mass and a stapple of natural weaponry ample in stealth to make it a force to be reckoned with.

Lions! -The Special Ops of the animal kingdom.

[AssKissinger]

Rhinos

http://yahooligans.yahoo.com/content/animals/species/9801.html

Length: Body 9'6"-10'2" long, tail 24-28" long; 1,500-3,000 lb.

Hippos

http://yahooligans.yahoo.com/content/animals/species/9792.html

Length: Body 11'-12'4" long, tail 14" long; height 4'4"-5'6"; 1,440-7,000 lb

Sorry. Lions and elephants are too obvious and must be excluded from consideration.

[Ketou]

Well if everyone else is taking shrooms.......

Hippos?! Rhinos?!
-Man, All you NEED is a few Hungry African Lions! hippos are big and amphibious, the mighty Rhino sure is armed with his horn and massive charging brute. Though, truth it be known, the Lion is a Killer. Cold, cunning, self-sufficient as a hunter, and deadly accurate with body mass and a stapple of natural weaponry ample in stealth to make it a force to be reckoned with.

Lions! -The Special Ops of the animal kingdom.

Lions special ops? Lions are heavy infantry. If you want special ops you need the Mustelidae family!

[AssKissinger]

You mean like polecats?

[tonikoro]

Well if everyone else is taking shrooms.......

Hippos?! Rhinos?!
-Man, All you NEED is a few Hungry African Lions! hippos are big and amphibious, the mighty Rhino sure is armed with his horn and massive charging brute. Though, truth it be known, the Lion is a Killer. Cold, cunning, self-sufficient as a hunter, and deadly accurate with body mass and a stapple of natural weaponry ample in stealth to make it a force to be reckoned with.

Lions! -The Special Ops of the animal kingdom.

Lions special ops? Lions are heavy infantry. If you want special ops you need the Mustelidae family!

Actually, bengalese Tigers might be a good choice for close-quarter combat, are suited for urban combat with sufficient tiger stripe cammo! -or Black panthers! -you'd never see the tree climbing fuckers coming!

[AssKissinger]

or Black panthers! -you'd never see the tree climbing fuckers coming!

Racist!

[tonikoro]

LOL - funny. I mean the cat, not my peoples..

What would really be funny is if S.K and Japan opened a can of whupass on 'ole Kim. Two big proponents of Democracy in Asia against the Rogue commie state for the title fight?

[sillygirl]

Chuh!

You're all forgetting about crocodiles

[AssKissinger]

Chuh!

You're all forgetting about crocodiles

Good point.

Usually not more than 15 feet long in the U.S., this species may have reached 23 feet in South America

How big are those things down in Australia?

[Buraku]

This is probably the most unstable region on earth. At least in terms of potential for large scale war. China, Korea and Japan what a love fest.

If it even looks like happening then I'll be having a beer with AK far far away!

So Koreans are keen on Revenge !!? Some of those freaks on those other websites are yappin' on about this one. Jean Colmar - seems to be a regular japantoday, explained it as a bunch of stupid hicks in Shimane-ken wanted to remind locals of the glory days by dwelling on Japan's bogus claim to a Korean Island in the Japan Sea, Koreans' responsed by telling Japanese that they were not amused. Somebody else goes on about the Chinese, a place that may cause the downfall of Japan and them getting big arms support from the Euros remarking on how China and the EU have been courting eachother for years now, politically and economically: China buys from Airbus, the EU wants to conduct nuclear experiments with China (ITER), China will pay &#8364]More recently China has been working closely with the ESA's study of Earth's magnetosphere, going with Europeans Cluster / Double-Star mission.
Recently China has also been updating its missiles and other military designs. China has launched the first submarine in a new class of nuclear subs designed to fire intercontinental ballistic missiles. It was widely known China was building the new class of nuclear-missile submarine, called the Type 094 but the launch is far ahead of what U.S. intelligence expected. China recently deployed a new torpedo that can break the sound barrier underwater using a pricipal called supercavitation. The US and NATO torpedos max out well under 100 knots. China is working on a cruise missile version of that torpedo that can be launched far off the coast of the US, come screaming in at over Mach 1, and then 'pop up' out of the water at the last second and strike. The United states the Pentagon said China's cache of ICBMs could increase to 30 by next year, the Chinese already have quiet a few Nuclear missiles so with the French and their atomic bomb testing and Russia doing new weapons the Chinese now have an excuse to update their systems. Some missiles and nuclear warheads the Chinese have already worked on are the, its been looking at MIRVs, ICBMs and studying the ability of Neutron bombs it maybe will change. China plans to triple its long-range missiles and & trying to make missiles like the CSS-4ADF-5A icbm , a DF-21A, the CSS-6, a CSS-4, the DF-4, a CSS-X-10 and the JL-21A it also has others that it hasn't given full info to the public about but you can read up on writings from US militray experts. Orion posted in the China debate thread and said ' I vote yes. EU already has sold many parts and system to help China modernization efforts.[/quote] There was also a lot of heat from the Chinese lately - new irritants in relations between Japan China, grievances range from Yasukuni to a submarine intrusion to dominion over a lighthouse

NK situation may digress

Japan has a well funded, high-tech and loyal army, but money ain't everything remember how the USA stumbled in wars or how Castro killed the US in the bay of pigs.... with anime obssed otakus, imperialist nazi fossils like BlinkyIshihara and hikikomori is Japan just in for a beating ?

Provoking South Koreans might be stupid, the South Koreans seem to also be keen on Revenge, various web posters say they have many surface to air missiles, updated choopers, armored vehicles, multiple rocket launchers, strong navy, new aircraft its said everybody can fight and kill - 24-28 months mandatory service required, they say the RF-4C plane from the Nippon SDF went to invade the airspace over the island...lucky the S.Koreans didn't think it was a craft from the North otherwise they might have blown it out of the sky ?

and what about NKorea, can they beat the North Koreans, it seems there was trouble with the Ruskies some time back over islands

Could Japan go a couple of round with the SouthKorea ?

How about fighting in Iraq ?



Could anyone defeat a modern, well-equiped Chinese communist military , if not then why is Japan starting trouble with its neighbours over a bunch of rocks in the Ocean?
S.Koreans seem to be loony
if some one wants to make a count down to destruction, they might try it next year on "Takeshima Day."

Maybe Japan should instead offer to buy the island rather than invade, or perhaps the UN or USA should step in before these Korean/Japan idiots start fighting for real



I had a quick look at some Korean discussions, soompi.com/forums
www. eslcafe.com/forums/korea /www.sokorean.com/forum/ some say dokdo is korea's and the sea between japan and korea is the east sea, Almost 100 years ago, when Korea was under Japanese colony, man named An Choong-Kun cut one of his ring fingers (I read once that he cut several of them) to write "Korean Independence" with his blood on a Korea flag -which was banned at that time- and sealed it with his hand print. He was a member of a resistance group against Japanese occupation. He assassinated the Japanese residential general in Harubin, China, which was a big blow to Japanese government. He was arrested and executed. He has been considered a hero in Korea ever since...

[AssKissinger]

There's been a few threads on this subject recently. One of you mod geniuses should combine them.

[etto_neh]

Rhinos would never do well in a mass attack amongst the Japanese populace, as the Rhinos' primary attack would be their upward-thrusting horns into the small, yet findable j-anal-cavity. (not that I'm sure where those cavities are myself, could be under an armpit for all i know)

Such an attack would so closely mimic a schoolchild's game of kancho, that it could be easily averted. And since all j-folk would be carrying katana anyway, they'd simply make sway the hips to avert the rhino kancho, then leap upon the animal's back and stab it precisely between the appropriate vertebrae- all toreador-like.

No- It would be best to unleash hippos. They're meaner.

[AssKissinger]

No- It would be best to unleash hippos. They're meaner.

Thank you. Hippos are underrated. People think they're friendly or some shit. Hippos kill more people on safaris than lions. Rhinos? Shit. They don't even eat meat. A hippo will eat anything and more importantly, anyone.

[Buraku]

members of S. Korean civic groups stamp on a picture of Japanese PM Junichiro Koizumi during a rally, Roh sees 'diplomatic war' with Japan
President Roh Moo-hyun criticized Japan yesterday, saying that Tokyo's policies and offenses have reached a point that South Korea can no longer tolerate.

In a letter to the public, released in a Blue House gazette, Mr. Roh said that a "diplomatic war" is conceivable between the two countries. Korea, he said, would ask Japan to reconsider its record of justifying past damage it had done to its neighbors.

"We cannot sit back and watch Japan justify its history of aggression and colonization and pursue hegemonic power again," Mr. Roh said. "The issue concerns the future of the Korean Peninsula and Northeast Asia."

Mr. Roh's pointed remarks promise to raise the tension in the recent disputes over the Dokdo islands, history textbooks and Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi's frequent visits to a shrine where war criminals are honored. Denouncing a Japanese prefecture's introduction of "Takeshima Day" and Tokyo's alleged history distortions, Mr. Roh said, "These issues annul Japan's previous apologies for the past. Such acts do not just belong to some Japanese rightist groups or local governments. They were done with the tacit permit of the central Japanese government and are thus acts of Japan."

"Takeshima Day is the day Japan seized Dokdo 100 years ago"

[Buraku]

[Buraku]

Korea lodged a protest with the Japanese over an Asahi Shimbun plane's approach to the disputed Takeshima

http://www.asahi.com/english/world/TKY200503100141.html

[Buraku]

S. Korea Blasts Japan Over WWII History
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/30/AR2006033000403.html

[colorlessgreen]

You gais got it all wrong.

You see it all comes down to one factor: Chuck Norris. You see, Chuck Norris studies Taekwondo, a korean martial art. Therefore it is quite obvious that he would take the side of Korea in the event of any conflict between the said nations. And, as we all know, a nucular attack is nothing compared to a swift roundhouse kick from Chuck!

[Tsuru]

You gais got it all wrong.

You see it all comes down to one factor: Chuck Norris. You see, Chuck Norris studies Taekwondo, a korean martial art. Therefore it is quite obvious that he would take the side of Korea in the event of any conflict between the said nations. And, as we all know, a nucular attack is nothing compared to a swift roundhouse kick from Chuck!

That's the most compelling argument in Korea's favor I read so far

[Mulboyne]

[Buraku]

Here's some more of it from that crisscross site (devlin's japanophile today)

http://www.crisscross.com/jp/kuchikomi/419

At the end of the simulated battle, the Korean forces have been sunk or severely damaged, with losses of 1,000 men.

[Buraku]

On paper a there is much in the Japanese military that is far superior to the Korean such as the J-Navy, but paper Naval battles and video game simulations never won any real war.
The Japanese also have some pretty good aircraft on paper, but how good are they in reality ? The reason the japanese military gets so much money is because they oyaji in the military are getting many high salaries. The Mitusbishi T-2 is nothing more than an over-priced copycat rip-off of the English/French Jaguar and look at the Mitsubishi F-2 Fighter plane which is basically an attempt to make sexed up mimic of the 30 year old US F-16 design, only they can't seem to make it cost less than 10 Stealth bombers


The Koreans are sometimes outclassed by expensive J-tech, but expensive toys didn't win wars like Vietnam. One of the things Korea has going for it is that they got about one and a half million people in the reserve forces, one of the reaons they have done so well with their budget is that they don't waste their money trying to build some sexed-up copy of Western tech like the Japanese failed to do, instead Korea buys the best stuff from the English, Russians and Americans such as the F-15, Kamov helicopter, F-16 Fighting Falcon.


There is no doubt Korean Naval forces are inferior to the Japanese, but Navy battles are only a small part of warfare and the Korean navay ships aren't that bad. They've got a good number of patrol combat corvettes and a new LPX amphibious landing ship named after Dokdo ( Takeshima )

SKorean minister says its too early to lift restrictions on Japanese culture
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/09/14/arts/AS_A-E_SKorea_Japan_Culture.php


One high-profile manifestation of this is the decades-long dispute over the ownership of some relatively insignificant islets in the waters between the peninsula and the archipelago, the Liancourt Rocks. Known as Dokdo in Korea and Takeshima in Japan, South Korea has stationed a Coast Guard contingent on the island since 1954 to enforce its claim. Both nations claim the area as a part of their exclusive economic zones (EEZs).
In 2005 South Korea scrambled fighters to intercept a civilian Japanese Cessna aircraft nearing Dokdo airspace. When Japan announced plans to conduct a hydrographic survey of the area, South Korea made vague threats alluding to possible military action against the research vessels. Japan backed down.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/HI09Dg02.html
Another factor is the closer US-Japan security partnership, which causes both China and South Korea concern. Some in the South Korean defense sector are undoubtedly jealous of the relationship Japan enjoys with the US.

[FG Lurker]

I take it that as usual there is no point to your post?