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Postby Mulboyne » Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:45 am

cstaylor wrote:Don't buy this FIFA hype: money talks, and if the Koreans think a purchased win is better than a first-round washout, the refs will call it their way, laughing all the way to the bank.

There is more corruption in the game than anyone has admitted. FIFA was slow to catch on to the influence of Asian betting rings for one. I don't think you are right here, though. I wouldn't underestimate factors like favouritism, incompetence, lack of fitness and inability to cope with stress for some of the referees with little big match experience. And, of course, sometimes there are just genuine mistakes as we saw in the World Baseball Classic.

Also, FIFA usually instructs referees to punish certain offences more strictly at the World Cup. This ostensibly is to help unify decision making by refs from different football cultures while also trying to send out a message about the direction of the game. It usually ends up with referees penalizing players who are just playing their normal way. This year, timewasting, diving and dangerous tackles were highlighted. This referee site has some details:
There would be red cards for elbowing and tackles from behind, players were told, and yellow cards for diving and time-wasting...Referees handed out 102 yellow cards and five red cards in the first 21 matches of the competition, an average of 4.9 yellow cards per match. An average of 4.25 yellows per match handed out at the 2002 World Cup - 272 yellows and 17 reds in 64 matches. The number of cards shown has risen steadily over the years. In Spain in 1982, 98 yellow cards were shown.


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The debate about goal line technology still rages. Even advocates aren't keen to break up the flow of play and an experiment at the Youth Cup wasn't entirely successful. Opponents of the technology say that the role of the officials is sacrosanct but that doesn't really hold up because the fourth official was introduced without radically changing the game and now stoppage time has become less of a lottery. No individual league can go ahead without FIFA approval are there are still enough people who think the technology just isn't reliable enough yet.
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Postby cstaylor » Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:10 am

Mulboyne wrote:There is more corruption in the game than anyone has admitted.

Maybe the corruption goes even higher. Mulboyne, check the net about the 2002/2003 SK Presidential campaign. The fixer for the 2002 WC is the son of the 1988 Seoul Olympics fixer.

If this had only happened in say, one game, I'd say it was accidental. Five matches? Togo's best player given his second yellow card half-way through the first half, giving the Koreans a good 60 minutes of 11 v 10 players?
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Postby Mulboyne » Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:29 am

cstaylor wrote:Togo's best player given his second yellow card half-way through the first half, giving the Koreans a good 60 minutes of 11 v 10 players?

That's my point about FIFA's instructions on yellow cards. You get a lot more than you would expect to see in league play. The Togo player's offence warranted a yellow card. He already had an earlier yellow so the referee, Graham Poll, had no option but to show the red as well. Some players try to take advantage of a ref's natural reluctance to show an early red card. Poll isn't corrupt: he has a chance of refereeing big games further into the tournament so he's not going to go outside his instructions in the early rounds.
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Postby cstaylor » Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:51 am

Well, I'll be wearing red and white for Friday's match. Go Switzerland! :wink:
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Postby Buraku » Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:12 am

kamome wrote:Brian McBride got a taste of de Rossi's elbow in the US-Italy game. Yikes, that looked painful.

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saw that game, Americans did well and got the draw against Italy 1-1
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Postby IkemenTommy » Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:20 am

I'm tired of this futbol coverage.
Somebody wake me up around the finals and I will tune back on.
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Postby GuyJean » Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:47 am

Brazil ties Japan 1 - 1; end of first half..

Japan looks focused, determined... Only 3+ more goals, and they advance! ;)

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Postby GuyJean » Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:18 am

Doh! Brazil pulls ahead 3 - 1... Excuse me, I have to go jump in front of my morning train..

Actually, I thought Japan looked really good the first half.. They look tired now.

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African Ass Kicking

Postby mr. sparkle » Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:31 am

Buraku wrote:saw that game, Americans did well and got the draw against Italy 1-1

[floatr]Image[/floatr]It's "Yanqui Go Home". We got our ass kicked by Ghana.

USA Loses to Ghana

I think I'm gonna root for these guys now. I always go for the underdog anyway.
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Cheaters Never Prosper

Postby mr. sparkle » Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:35 am

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Referees are FCKED.
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Postby Greji » Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:08 am

mr. sparkle wrote:[floatr]Image[/floatr]It's "Yanqui Go Home". We got our ass kicked by Ghana.

USA Loses to Ghana

I think I'm gonna root for these guys now. I always go for the underdog anyway.


No ass kicking there! Ghana's a good team and played well. The US played well, but wasn't good enough.

Ghana won't win it, but they will cause some grief to other teams before they're done!
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Postby Greji » Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:13 am

GuyJean wrote:Doh! Brazil pulls ahead 3 - 1... Excuse me, I have to go jump in front of my morning train..

Actually, I thought Japan looked really good the first half.. They look tired now.

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I posted this elsewhere, but will repeat it before they start washing GJ off the front of the train with bug spray

"...Brazil wins 4-1 and mighty Nippon gets on the bus for Tokyo. The Brazil side was a least gentlemanly and played ball control for the last part of the second half, probably in respect to their Hero, Zico, or it would have been 7 or 8 to 1! Well, there's always the next World Cup. I wonder how the talk shows are going to explain this upset!..."
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We was ROBBED

Postby mr. sparkle » Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:17 am

gboothe wrote:I wonder how the talk shows are going to explain this upset!..."
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Oh some aberration, prob'ly. How do you say, "We was ROBBED" in Nihongo anyway?

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Postby gomichild » Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:17 am

Ouch that 4-1 loss has to hurt. Kawaguchi had some good saves there at the beginning....but zannen....

Thankfully Australia managed to draw and will continue - even though the last goal was disallowed and the referee forgot he'd already yellow carded one player and should have red carded them...
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Postby GuyJean » Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:47 am

mr. sparkle wrote:I think I'm gonna root for these guys now. I always go for the underdog anyway.
No way! Australia all the way, baby!! ;)

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Postby dimwit » Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:53 am

I don't know if I'm going to mention this to any of my Japanese friends for fear of becoming a pariah, but so far I have watched the last 20 minutes of the Austrailia-Japan game, most of the Croatia game and the entire second half of the Brazil-Japan game.

In summary:
When I have been watching Opponents 7 Japan 0.
When I haven't been watching Japan 2 Opponents 0.

So anyone want me to cheer their team on.:D
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Apologizing

Postby canman » Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:26 am

I don' think its necessary for the Japanese players to have to apologize to the fans and everyone. It must be hard enough to lose, but then to have to say you are sorry. That is one aspect of Japanese culture I'll always hae trouble with. I don't think you will see the US coach "Almighty Bruse Arena" going home and apologizing for the US getting whipped. There might be some complaints about the refereeing, but no "mia culpas".
The thing that I think will be more interesting is that Japan feels they now have a birthright to the World Cup, but in the next tournament to be played in South Africa, the Aussies will be part of the Asian qualifying tournament, meaning perhaps one less spot. YOu know the Koreans are going to be ready, as are Iran and perhaps the Saudis, leaving Japan out in the cold. Now that will be a real shock if it comes to that.
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Postby kurohinge1 » Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:06 pm

Australia v Croatia - "against all odds":

Well, aside from not seeing a rugby-style tackle on Australia's captain in front of the Croatian goal in the first half, and then the handball by a Croatian player in front of their goal in the second half, the referee even managed to give 3 yellow cards to a Croatian player (who should've been on the bus by then, not on the field) . . .

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Croatian Player Is Hit With 3 Yellow Cards

English referee Graham Poll gave a Croatian player an extra chance yesterday, showing him three yellow cards before finally sending him off after blowing the final whistle of the Croats' 2-2 tie with Australia in Stuttgart.

. . . Poll did not appear to be aware that he had already booked Simunic. Three minutes later, Poll blew the final whistle. Simunic spoke to Poll, who looked angry, pushed him away with one hand and showed the defender a yellow card for the third time and then the red card.


Anyway, I understand that the Aussies now face Italy on Monday night (midnight, Japan time), while Brazil will face Mr Sparkle's Ghana team. ;)

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Postby canman » Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:42 pm

Giving him a red card after the game? This was croatia's final game, and I'm pretty sure cards don't carry over to the next tournament. So was it just a power trip or what? Or was he pissed that he had forgot to red card him earlier he just wanted to make sure he did his duty?
I knew that the US coach Bruce Almighty mouth Arena would blame everything on the referee. I admit the penalty was perhaps a little weak, but the US did not put themselves into a postition to win. Ghana outplayed them simply put. The Czechs beat them handily, and the Italians fell all over them, but you have to suck it up and keep doing your best. Unless for some strange reason you are South Korea, right CS?
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Postby Mulboyne » Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:54 pm

"Here's one I prepared earlier"

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canman wrote:What was the point in giving him a red card after the game? This was croatia's final game, and I'm pretty sure cards don't carry over to the next tournament.
The suspension carries over to his team's next competitive international. He will miss Croatia's first Euro 2008 qualifying match.
Mulboyne wrote:...He already had an earlier yellow so the referee, Graham Poll, had no option but to show the red as well...Poll isn't corrupt: he has a chance of refereeing big games further into the tournament...
In his next game, however, Graham Poll decided the rules of the game were an unnecessary straitjacket and went for a three yellow card strategy. He's not expected to take any further part in officiating this World Cup.
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Postby Gilligan » Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:40 am

I don't know, maybe it's the fact that I'm American, but I think that there's something seriously wrong with the fact that almost 40% of the third set of games are completely meaningless. I mean who cares about Poland v Costa Rica or Paraguay v Trinidad & Tobago at this point in the competition. Spare us. The whole tournament could be 10 times more exciting if they re-structured the first round to more resemble the second round. Maybe allow for more teams as well.
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Postby Mulboyne » Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:10 am

Gilligan wrote:I don't know, maybe it's the fact that I'm American, but I think that there's something seriously wrong with the fact that almost 40% of the third set of games are completely meaningless. I mean who cares about Poland v Costa Rica or Paraguay v Trinidad & Tobago at this point in the competition.

In the Paraguay vs Trinidad & Tobago game you mention, T&T could still have qualified if England had beaten Sweden and they had won against Paraguay by two clear goals. I think only two games out of sixteen in the final round ended up having no effect on the placings in the group. Still, there is a lot of national pride at stake and scoring a goal at a World Cup is special for any player.

You need a group stage otherwise you just turn the competition into a lottery. It's difficult enough as it is structuring a competition with only 32 teams. Look at who failed to qualify: Wales, Uruguay, Belgium, Denmark, Ireland, Northern Ireland, Senegal, Cameroon, Egypt, Romania, Greece, Russia, Austria and Colombia. Greece are the current European champions and Egypt the African champions.
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Postby cstaylor » Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:08 am

South Korea sent home, 2-0 by the Swiss.
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Postby Tsuru » Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:37 pm

So that's it for the World Cup as far as Asia is concerned... back to work everyone ;)
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Postby dimwit » Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:53 pm

cstaylor wrote:South Korea sent home, 2-0 by the Swiss.


Do I sense a slight non-dissatisifaction in your response.:p
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Postby cstaylor » Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:08 pm

The best part was seeing that last Swiss goal counted as good when the guy was clearly offsides. "Those who live by the sword..." :wink:
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Postby Mulboyne » Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:14 pm

Tsuru wrote:So that's it for the World Cup as far as Asia is concerned.

Paul Keating would turn in his grave hearing you say that. If he was dead.
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Postby kurohinge1 » Sat Jun 24, 2006 10:02 pm

Tsuru wrote:
So that's it for the World Cup as far as Asia is concerned.


Not quite.

MDN on 14 June 2006 wrote:
Australia . . . joined Asia six months ago after frustrating attempts at getting a direct route to the World Cup through Oceania. By then, the Socceroos already had qualified for Germany 2006 after edging Uruguay on penalties in an Oceania-South America playoff . . . more


So "Asia" is still in there, and plays Italy on Monday night.

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Postby Tsuru » Sat Jun 24, 2006 10:22 pm

Really. Well, this doesn't really come as a surprise... the other day a friend of mine swore Mexico was part of South America :rolleyes:
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World rankings

Postby dimwit » Sat Jun 24, 2006 10:31 pm

Interesting to look at the world rankings.

Of the top 16, four teams didn't even make it to the world cup and two that did (Czech Republic No.2 and USA No.6 tied) were eliminated in the first round. Why is there such a discepancy between the world rankings and the results?:confused:

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