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Postby Delinjapan » Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:48 pm

I enjoy japanese food, eating out at japanese restaurants and I often go exploring on my own. However, even though I usually know what I want to eat, sometimes the waiters will ask me a question I don't understand and they don't seem to be in any phrasebooks I own. I've started asking some of these terms and I wonder if anybody here could help me complete / correct the list? or share a good website for eating out in Japan?

takeout - moshikai / moshikae ?

in a ramen shop : extra noodles or rice - omori de meishi / gohan de (something like that)

in a soba shop : cold or warm - tsumetai, atatakai?

In a curry shop : curry level one, two, etc - ichikara, nikara...

I also think there are some special words for different levels of spiceness, like chokarai for very spicy??

I'm also asked something when I enter curry shops but I haven't got around to asking yet (most likely something to do with spiceness).

Ordering sushi : 2 pieces of X please - X nikko kudasai

For yakitori (also for ramen I think): soy or salty (?) flavor - shoyu aji, Shio aji

what else??
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Postby kamome » Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:34 am

Delinjapan wrote:I enjoy japanese food, eating out at japanese restaurants and I often go out exploring on my own. However, even though I usually know what I want to eat, sometimes the waiters will ask me a question I don't understand and they don't seem to be in any phrasebooks I own. I've started asking some of these terms and I wonder if anybody here could help me complete / correct the list? or share a good website?


takeout - moshikai / moshikae ?

mochikaeri

in a ramen shop : extra noodles or rice - omori de meishi / gohan de (something like that)

oomori

in a soba shop : cold or warm - tsumetai, atatakai?

that's right

In a curry shop : curry level one, two, etc - ichikara, nikara...

I also think there are some special words for different levels of spiceness, like chokarai for very spicy??

The menu will specify how you should describe the level of spiciness (i.e., "futsuu" - normal/average or "chuukara" - medium hot, etc.)

I'm also asked something when I enter curry shops but I haven't got around to asking yet (most likely something to do with spiceness).

Ordering sushi : 2 pieces of X please - X nikko kudasai

This sounds right to me, although if you're at a kaitensushi, they normally come two to a plate anyway.

For yakitori (also for ramen I think): soy or salty (?) flavor - shoyu aji, Shio aji

what else??

Those are correct terms. For ramen, don't forget "tonkotsu" (pork broth), and "miso aji" (miso flavored broth). Both are delicious!
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Postby Charles » Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:27 am

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Postby Delinjapan » Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:20 am

Thanks for your replies!

Charles, what does the mae stand for? I know it means before but...and I guess you would put the name for the sushi before, right? like "X ni nin mae"? actually I don't think I ever heard of that expression before but then I mostly eat at kaitensushis.

Kamome, I can't wait to try the Tonkotsu broth! what are the Kanji for these four tastes as you often need to buy the meal from the machine? btw, great signature.

I just thought of another one. All you can drink - nomihodai.

What's the equivalent for "all you can eat"?
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Postby Charles » Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:56 am

Delinjapan wrote:Charles, what does the mae stand for? I know it means before but...and I guess you would put the name for the sushi before, right? like "X ni nin mae"? actually I don't think I ever heard of that expression before but then I mostly eat at kaitensushis.

I have no idea what the mae stands for, I've never heard of any reason for it, it's just an archaic idiom that has existed so long that nobody thinks about it. I originally remembered it by thinking one serving is what you'd put "in front of one man." Just don't go into a sushi place and order X san ko, go ko etc. I've never ever seen or heard of anyone ordering other than two pieces at a time, X no ichi nin mae, etc. (or X ichininmae, dropping the no is more colloquial I guess). There must be some superstition about odd numbers.

And tabehodai is "all you can eat."
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Postby Delinjapan » Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:59 pm

Btw, a bit off topic, but does anybody know where I can find a ramen shop that serves Kyushuu style Ramen in Tokyo? I was intrigued ever since a japanese friend of mine from Hiroshima would refuse to eat any other type of ramen than the Kyushuu style. I happened to be passing by Fukuoka last week, and a took an hour to sample it and I'm addicted!
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Postby kamome » Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:04 pm

YBF is as ageless as time itself.--Cranky Bastard, 7/23/08

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Postby Mulboyne » Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:00 pm

Delinjapan wrote:Btw, a bit off topic, but does anybody know where I can find a ramen shop that serves Kyushu style Ramen in Tokyo?

They are all over the place so it really depends where you are to find a convenient one. To give you one answer, though, there is a "ramen emporium" in Shinagawa with shops for seven "masters of ramen" from around the country (originally linked in this post). Go out the Takanawa exit of Shinagawa JR Station, turn left along the main road and they are under the tracks a few minutes up the road. Saijo specializes in Kyushu Ramen. Rightly or wrongly, I've also always associated tonkotsu with Kyushu and Nantsutei to the far left specializes in that taste.
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Postby ojara » Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:17 pm

takeout - moshikai / moshikae ?


**we use "o mochi kaeri" お持ち帰り (持ち=持つtake 帰り=帰る back home) 
flapping and liaison !!


*-*-*-*-*-*-*
in a ramen shop : extra noodles or rice - omori de meishi / gohan de (something like that)

***easy " gohan OOmori ne!! "


in a soba shop : cold or warm - tsumetai, atatakai?

**I think, in here, "" Hiyashi =冷やし**soba”” ←tsumetai
usually, Soba shop serve Hot noodle, except zaru soba.
so you just order "hiyashi," or, maybe, order "Attakai"(あったかいやつ) 
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In a curry shop : curry level one, two, etc - ichikara, nikara...

I also think there are some special words for different levels of spiceness, like chokarai for very spicy??

** curry shop, you can challenge to hot food, cho-karai=超辛い
Japanese enjoy hot food like a game, so curry shop also added hot spice more.



Ordering sushi : 2 pieces of X please - X nikko kudasai

**I think, some sushi shop can order 1 peace, Kaiten zusi you can eat 2 pieces eace dish, if you order "nigiri", can eat just 1 peace many fish.

For yakitori (also for ramen I think): soy or salty (?) flavor - shoyu aji, Shio aji

what else??

***in here, not "shoyu" we use "TALE" たれ
たれ= special sauce each yakitori shop made long term.
similar shoyu taste, but very differnt.


shoyu ramen also great.;) ;) ;)
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Postby Delinjapan » Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:15 pm

Mulboyne wrote:They are all over the place so it really depends where you are to find a convenient one. To give you one answer, though, there is a "ramen emporium" in Shinagawa with shops for seven "masters of ramen" from around the country (originally linked in this post). Go out the Takanawa exit of Shinagawa JR Station, turn left along the main road and they are under the tracks a few minutes up the road. Saijo specializes in Kyushu Ramen. Rightly or wrongly, I've also always associated tonkotsu with Kyushu and Nantsutei to the far left specializes in that taste.



Great thanks! I'll make a pilgrimage there as soon as possible! my mouth is watering already.
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Postby kamome » Sat Jul 29, 2006 6:00 am

YBF is as ageless as time itself.--Cranky Bastard, 7/23/08

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Postby Delinjapan » Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:13 am

actually I have 2 more questions about Ramen!

1) is it possible to eat ramen without getting any of the broth on to your shirt (especially clean white ones)?
2) can eating Ramen everyday be bad for your health?
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Postby Mulboyne » Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:56 am

Delinjapan wrote:1) is it possible to eat ramen without getting any of the broth on to your shirt (especially clean white ones)?
2) can eating Ramen everyday be bad for your health?


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Or you could just take your shirt off.

You are going to take in a lot of salt on a ramen diet. Make sure you ask for extra veg:

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Postby Charles » Sun Jul 30, 2006 1:56 am

Mulboyne wrote:You are going to take in a lot of salt on a ramen diet. Make sure you ask for extra veg:

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Ha.. reminds me of an old punk anthem I was just listening to today. Name that tune:

My favorite part of growing up
Is when I'm sick and throwing up
That's the dues you've got to pay
For eating burgers every day
Take my vitamin C
Know what's good for me
Life can take it's toll
When you're living ROCK N' ROLL!!!
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Postby kamome » Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:08 am

Not only salt, but there's a ton of lard in ramen broth. I think a ramen diet should be the subject of Morgan Spurlock's sequel to Super Size Me.

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Postby Delinjapan » Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:07 am

kamome wrote:I completely forgot about "hiyashi". My Japanese is getting rusty...:(



actually Ojara, I'm not quite sure what you meant about Hiyashi...what is Hiyashi exactly?

So are there anymore useful terms or am I ready too walk into just any Tokyo restaurant?

Btw, my top 5 favourite japanese food are okonomiyaki, tonkatsu, sushi, ramen, curry rice...any suggestions on where to experience different varieties of these, or must-go places, apart from places suggested in the Lonely Planet (and oh yeah I also know about Tsukijishima).

a pity there isn't a subfourm about japanese food...
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Postby Greji » Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:49 pm

Delinjapan wrote:my top 5 favourite japanese food are okonomiyaki, tonkatsu, sushi, ramen, curry rice...


Next test question, identify the authentice Japanese dishes from among the following:
a. Okonomiyaki
b. Tonkatsu
c. Sushi
d. Ramen
e. Curry rice
f. None of above
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Postby Delinjapan » Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:52 pm

errr, a, b and c???

what does one say in a tonkatsu restaurant, when you don't want any rice or miso soup, just the tonkatsu and cabbage?? or is that not an option? I don't mind rice, but the tonkatsu fills me up nicely already.
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Postby CrankyBastard » Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:15 pm

gboothe wrote:Next test question, identify the authentice Japanese dishes from among the following:
a. Okonomiyaki
b. Tonkatsu
c. Sushi
d. Ramen
e. Curry rice
f. None of above
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I'll hazard a guess and say none.
Okonomiyaki could be a contender but the sauce is more likely to have come from Java.
Tonkatsu is pork cutlet (ka tsu retsu)
Sushi in its original form was pressed preserved rice and fish, probable origin S.E. China
Ramen, again mainland China.
Curry rice. That's easy, it's an old Celtic word 'cachi' meaning diarrhea.
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Hiyash = Tumetai

Postby ojara » Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:46 pm

Delinjapan wrote:actually Ojara, I'm not quite sure what you meant about Hiyashi...what is Hiyashi exactly?



Japanese in soba shop, if wants to order cold noodle, 'hiyashi udon'
'hiyashi wakame soba',
something like this.
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Postby Delinjapan » Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:07 am

so omchi kaeri is takeaway, what do you say if you want to eat in the restaurant? I think it's something like Tennai? what's the kanji? I saw it today in a restaurant where you need to get the ticket for the food. Couldn't make a selection before I selected whether it was eating at the restaurant or takeout...
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Postby maninjapan » Wed Aug 09, 2006 2:18 am

you can just say 'kochira' which means ;this place' or 'here'
will the last one out please turn the light off.....
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Postby Greji » Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:59 am

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Postby Delinjapan » Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:10 am

yeah that's it, thanks. Got me really confused. So how do you pronounce that?
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Postby kamome » Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:39 am

Delinjapan wrote:yeah that's it, thanks. Got me really confused. So how do you pronounce that?


"Ten-nai"
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Postby kamome » Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:42 am

gboothe wrote:That also works in a Health, as compared to "Demai"
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"Demae" is food delivery, but I like your way of thinking! Never had delivery health ("Deri-Herusu") myself. How about you, GB? Time to fess up. :D
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Postby Greji » Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:50 pm

kamome wrote:"Demae" is food delivery, but I like your way of thinking! Never had delivery health ("Deri-Herusu") myself. How about you, GB? Time to fess up. :D


And all the time, you thought that Sports Club across the street in Shiroyama Hills was just for aerobics, didn't you?

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Postby Delinjapan » Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:24 pm

some more language/food related questions :

when the people in the convini ask you whether you want a plastic bag, what is it they say exactly? and what is the most natural answer (I always says irimasen or ii desu)?

Could somebody tell me the name of that spicy dish that has a red sauce with cubes of tofu in it? I had it as obento a few times but I've also seen it served in restaurants. There also exists a dish with eggs and sour courgette/zucchini - anybody know the name of that one? I see it sometimes on the menus of Izakayas.

Finally what is the most natural way to ask in japanese "do you know any good places to eat in the area?"
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