FGs Can't Work For The Yakuza

[blackcat]

btw
Gb
to prove what a hypocrite you are,

Gb wrote
this was first of all...!

"Good call GG. 99.99999% of the women coming in from Asia under the entertainer visa are coming to hook in one way or the other,"

"First of all, no one posting has denied that these cases exist!" except you!

make up your mind! or perhaps you have never considered(or knew) the facts!

well sounds like you changed you mind Mr Mayor, or are you just full of it?
just wanna check b4 I waste my vote!

[drpepper]

I don't see any contradiction there.. you are just an idiot throwing sticks at shadows. I saw that other thread that Kamome posted up here.. try the Jap shit around me and I will fix your clock. You are the one with a problem. Must be fun to live in a place you hate so much.

[Ketou]

Hehe...another day at FG. I need to get some more marshmallows.

[Greji]

btw
Gb
to prove what a hypocrite you are,

Gb wrote
this was first of all...!

"Good call GG. 99.99999% of the women coming in from Asia under the entertainer visa are coming to hook in one way or the other,"

"First of all, no one posting has denied that these cases exist!" except you!

make up your mind! or perhaps you have never considered(or knew) the facts!

Fact: An enertainer coming to Japan to engage in the world's oldest profession is not considered a trafficked woman by anyone but you nekko! Only after being apprehended, do they consider themselves trafficked.

Your statement quoting: "First of all, no one posting has denied that these cases exist!"; was in reference to trafficking. I suggest remedial reading classes, unless you wish to pursue your usual habit of using out of context statements.

I suppose this means I can't count on your vote?

[drpepper]

Ya got my vote there gb!

[blackcat]

http://www.asiansexgazette.com/asg/japan/japan05news74.htm

99.99999999% !! ay!

Fact: An enertainer coming to Japan to engage in the world's oldest profession is not considered a trafficked woman by anyone but you nekko! Only after being apprehended, do they consider themselves trafficked

BULLSHIT not a fact just your cheapass opinion.

[Greji]

http://www.asiansexgazette.com/asg/japan/japan05news74.htm

Wonderful source document. You write the article?

BULLSHIT not a fact just your cheapass opinion.

I would guess you are not in Japan and if you are, you have not gotten far enough past your eikaiwa classes and out to a joint that has a lot of foreign entertainers employed to do the proper research.

If you are in Japan, I would also recommend you travel around Asia and announce you live in Japan and see how many hooks hit you up to sponsor them or get them a visa to entertain, or maybe want to talk about their times in Japan! You might see something a bit different.

Nobody says women don't get trafficked and that they are not moved in and through Japan. But I would suspect that you have got a very large job defending all of womanhood with out any particular knowledge of what you are talking about and doing.

That of course, is also my cheapass opinion, but I wouldn't think it was too far off track.

[Tsuru]

try the Jap shit around me and I will fix your clock.

:rofl:

[jingai]

This isn't a subject I know a lot about, but here are a few sources I found which may shed some light on the subject:

The International Labor Organization did a report "HumanTrafficking for
Sexual Exploitation in Japan"
Take a look at some statistics on p 31 of the report- underreporting seems like a huge problem.

The Japanese sex industry is largely controlled by boryokudans. Though illegal, prostitution is tolerated and largely provided in “restricted sex-related businesses”, which comprise a number of types of businesses defined under the Law on Control and Improvement of Amusement Business as businesses providing services aimed at fulfilling ‘the sexual curiosity of clients of the opposite sex’.61 Bars and night-clubs where
hostessing is provided are “entertainment businesses” but not “restricted sex-related businesses” under this law. According to police statistics, in 2003 there were around 32,340 shops registered under this category.62
A total of 1,144 people were arrested in 2003 for violations of the anti-prostitution law, of which 260 (22.7 per cent) were members of boryokudans, indicating that prostitution is still a main source of funding for organized crime groups. Among people arrested, there were 50 Colombians, 46 Thais, 45 Koreans, and 42 Chinese.

The legal framework to prosecute these crimes (or not) starts on page 39.

The first criminal case in human trafficking in Japan- *May 2004* (p. 51)

Three girls who later fell victim to human trafficking, A, B, and C, gave in to the skilful persuasions of
“Karasu-zoku”, literally translated as “crow-gangs” since they wear black suits. The girls subsequently were induced to drinking in a bar, classified as a “host-club”, where handsome boys wait for customers, most of whom are girls. After the girls got drunk, the attendants at the bar started opening outrageously expensive brandy bottles, ranging from 300,000 yen107 to 1,000,000 yen.... Being unable to pay the bills, the girls were coerced by the attendants of the bar to prostitute themselves to pay their debts. They were told that they would have ‘dreadful experiences’ and their family might be in danger if they did not settle the bills. The owner of the bar, although he knew that these girls were minors, sold them to a brothel in Osaka for half a million yen each on 16 October 2003.

http://www.vitalvoices.org/files/docs/ILO_Japan.pdf

The Polaris Project, an anti-trafficking NGO:
http://www.polarisproject.jp/polarisproject.jp/trafficking_p3/trafficking_jp_en.htm

Many of us who live in Japan tend to view foreign women in the sex industry negatively as 'illegal workers' or 'illegal overstayers', thus labeling them as criminals. The national media also exacerbates this prejudice by portraying foreigners as the cause for Japan's increasing crime rate by reporting news about crimes committed by foreigners with exaggerated fervor. Not all foreigners who work in the sex industry are victims of human trafficking. However, many of them are. Victims are forced into prostitution, incur enormous 'debts' and no salary, are abused emotionally and physically, have limited freedom and meanwhile are unable to escape as their personal identification and documents have been confiscated.

[dimwit]

So June 1st has come and gone and I suppose the ordinance has gone into effect, but I haven't noticed a paucity of Moldovian ladies in the company of fine tattoo gentlemen on our streets, so I only assume that the Yaks are using the old Whack-a-Mole dummy company technique to solve their employment problems.

[Greji]

This isn't a subject I know a lot about, but here are a few sources I found which may shed some light on the subject:

Jingai, I agree with you completely, and this is the point. This is not a subject a lot of people know about except those who are involved in it and Blackcat. I claim a little hands-on research that I like to think may well be accurate

If you note your sources, they have a lot of good info, but the problem is how reliable are their sources, which can put the info in question. A lot of the same cases get recycled and passed around and also get imbelished with each telling. As I have stated before, every gal (or even gay guys these days) who comes to Japan of her own volition as a hooker, knows that when they are apprehended they immediately need to start screaming "I've been, kidnapped, forced into prostitution, folded, spindled and mutilated, etc.," and then wait for, or at least hope that an NGO will come into protect them, or intercede for them. Then, when they are deported maybe they won't be put on the visa de-barred list for five or ten years (depending on their violation). This way they can come back as soon as the smoke has settled down a tad.

According to Black Pussy every one of these broads are: a. trafficked, b. kidnapped, c. forced, d. All of the above. I suggest he has never met many of them, or is a priest (scratch that, priests know more about this business from confession than most people). At any rate, he has yet to show he knows more than what is on the internet about these people, or the problem.

You can meet, or at least see these gals all over downtown Tokyo, it takes little or no effort for you to talk to them, buy them drinks, take them to dinner, love hotels (or at least I'm told that about the latter ). If they were all in the plight BP thinks, why don't they run, they've got all the chance and no one is watching them. It can't be fear or ignorance, because if you talk to them at any length they can tell you things about Japan and the visa system and their knowledge of the in's and out's will amaze you.

But going back to what you have posted, I know that there must be trafficked women here. But where are they is the interesting question? I would suspect there are not really that many. Japan would function well as a transit point to other countries.

The sex industry is too thriving in Japan (also free stuff is too widely available) and not being a Christian country with the conventions against sex, there are plenty of available hookers. The Christian countries would have the more clandestine markets and the greater lack of hooks to make a trafficking ring more feasible. But BP doesn't believe it as it is all the Japanese that are doing this.

The hundreds of these foreign gals that you can find in all of the bar areas from Southern Yokohama over to Chiba in the red light circuit around Tokyo Wan, do not seem to be in chains and could take off as they please, but they don't. Tonight is the Azabu Juban Matsuri and they will be out in full dress. So I think I will reseach a few and see who's been trafficked!

But, I definately do get tired of the Sir Galahad's like BP who think that every girl that sells pee hole in Japan has been kidnapped and is being force to do it. Where are these people when the neon comes on at night?

But again, this is only my cheapass opinion, that I can only base on many years of hooker hooking, so it probably doesn't mean anything to BP.

[dimwit]

According to Black Pussy every one of these broads are: a. trafficked, b. kidnapped, c. forced, d. All of the above. I suggest he has never met many of them, or is a priest (scratch that, priests know more about this business from confession than most people).

You should emphaze Catholic priest. The Shinto priests are more likely to be johns. My wife has seen a few examples of this at outpatient clinics.

[FG Lurker]

[quote="dimwit"]You should emphaze Catholic priest. The Shinto priests are more likely to be johns. My wife has seen a few examples of this at outpatient clinics.]
The Catholic priests too! They just prefer trafficed males instead of females.

[dimwit]

[quote="FG Lurker"]The Catholic priests too! They just prefer trafficed males instead of females. ]

Yeah, but the Catholics priests are less likely to be found-ins as they youth camps provide all their secular needs.

[maraboutslim]

It can't be fear or ignorance, because if you talk to them at any length they can tell you things about Japan and the visa system and their knowledge of the in's and out's will amaze you.

Yep. I'm betting a lot of them totally have work visas. My local immigration office was the one in Yokohama and fwiw, everytime I was there I'd see groups of "entertainer" chicks with one japanese dude. The handler would be helping get these ladies set up all legal like. use your immagination on what these japanese dudes looked like.

[mr. sparkle]

I've taken a few flights from BKK to Narita for my own research projects. Hey, guess what I see? Scoutmen, each with several Thai "hostesses" in tow. Believe me, I didn't see any kickin' or screamin'. They know that Uncle Chin-Chin always pays double over Cheap Charlie. Mo' Benjamen's? Mo' water buffalo.