North Korea Conducts Nuclear Weapons Test

[This is a pen]

Report: North Korea Tests Nuclear Weapon

North Korea Says Nuclear Test Successful

[Charles]

Boom.

[GuyJean]

GJ

[This is a pen]

What do you think GJ, is this a Rove ploy to get "Foley Gate" off the front page?;)

[GuyJean]

[quote="This is a pen"]What do you think GJ, is this a Rove ploy to get "Foley Gate" off the front page?]No.. It shouldn't be on the front page anyway. 'Foley Erect' should be in the news, but not consume it..

Don't think Rove would want to change the focus to another administration failure..

Who's going to be the first to say "No one imagined ____________" first?

GJ

[Greji]

[quote="This is a pen"]What do you think GJ, is this a Rove ploy to get "Foley Gate" off the front page?]

Sounds about right to me Penn. However, there is the possibility on the other side of the coin that it is Kim's signal to the Dems that he would like to vote for their candidate by showing off his advances in the technology that a "trusting" Dem administration had provided and helped him to develop (for peaceful energy of course)!

The next question is who else goes nuclear? Japan? ROK? Buraku?

[TobidashiChui]

...continue to supply aid to Kim Jong to prevent war.

I don't know if war is the best solution, but it seems that it is a matter of minutes before it happens.

[Tsuru]

The US for the moment has the excuse of being asleep, SK and Japan are falling over themselves with emergency meetings right now, but where the hell is China?

As a sidenote: as far as NK is concerned the UN is going to be absolutely nowhere with a South-Korean as secretary-general.

[This is a pen]

Bush will make some sort of a statement tonight. (America Time)

[GuyJean]

Bush will make some sort of a statement tonight. (America Time)

The invasion of Iran?

GJ

[Tsuru]

Bush will make some sort of a statement tonight. (America Time)

So that's like what? 20 hours from now?

[This is a pen]

So that's like what? 20 hours from now?

No, in a few more minutes. (It's only 10:15 PM on the USA West Coast)

[Tsuru]

Alright then... but even Bush will have to concede that there is absolutely no way in hell they will be able to make good on their earlier threat without the consent of China.

The best part is, now we can expect Abe to start talking about Japan (openly) acquiring nukes as well

[This is a pen]

The invastion of Iran?

GJ

GJ is making up words again.

I thought you had to be President to do that.

[Charles]

No, in a few more minutes. (It's only 10:15 PM on the USA West Coast)

That's ridiculous. Bush is well known to be in bed by 10PM every night. No kidding.

[(1VB)freels]

Lets not puyssify this shit. Call to arms. Come ot the aid of your country. Dem or Rp. don't matter. NK wants yourdead. Time to go into action. don't be pacifist dicks. Get yourassin a uniform and kill for the USA and for Nippon. they will be dying next to you. I dont wanna hear no pussy hippy shit. This is now WAR. Time to become the men your forefathers were, Don't make this a political thing. Time to protct what you hold dear. Visit your local recruiter. Tell them AT2(AW) Freels sent ya. They know who I am .Don't be a pussy. YOu know who you are....

[Kuang_Grade]

Ehhh...lets wait until we get some offical, on the record, confirmation about this "test". I know that seismic indications have been used as proof of previous underground nuclear tests, and that this seismic activity is clearly different than earthquakes, but does anyone know if there is some specific seismic indicator that says with no doubt that its nuclear rather than, say an underground pit filled with 200 tons of conventional explosives? I know that detection of gamma ray bursts are proof positive of atmospheric tests but I don't know if gamma ray bursts are detectable in underground tests if the tests are held deep enough.

[Taro Toporific]

North Korea Says Nuclear Test Successful

Note that the Army gets top billing over the North Korean People: "event as it greatly encouraged and pleased the KPA and people".
KPA = the Korean People's Army of DPRK (Democratic People's Republic of Korea aka North Korea)

Official text of Korean Central News Agency--

"The field of scientific research in the DPRK successfully conducted an underground nuclear test under secure conditions on October 9, 2006, at a stirring time when all the people of the country are making a great leap forward in the building of a great, prosperous, powerful socialist nation.

"It has been confirmed that there was no such danger as radioactive emission in the course of the nuclear test as it was carried out under scientific consideration and careful calculation.

"The nuclear test was conducted with indigenous wisdom and technology 100 percent. It marks a historic event as it greatly encouraged and pleased the KPA and people that have wished to have powerful self-reliant defense capability.

"It will contribute to defending the peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula and in the area around it."

[AssKissinger]

The invasion of Iran?

GJ

Good one.

Lets not puyssify this shit. Call to arms. Come ot the aid of your country. Dem or Rp. don't matter. NK wants yourdead. Time to go into action. don't be pacifist dicks. Get yourassin a uniform and kill for the USA and for Nippon. they will be dying next to you. I dont wanna hear no pussy hippy shit. This is now WAR. Time to become the men your forefathers were, Don't make this a political thing. Time to protct what you hold dear. Visit your local recruiter. Tell them AT2(AW) Freels sent ya. They know who I am .Don't be a pussy. YOu know who you are....

I would but if done correctly there's no defense against nukes.

[maninjapan]

Lets not puyssify this shit. Call to arms. Come ot the aid of your country. Dem or Rp. don't matter. NK wants yourdead. Time to go into action. don't be pacifist dicks. Get yourassin a uniform and kill for the USA and for Nippon. they will be dying next to you. I dont wanna hear no pussy hippy shit. This is now WAR. Time to become the men your forefathers were, Don't make this a political thing. Time to protct what you hold dear. Visit your local recruiter. Tell them AT2(AW) Freels sent ya. They know who I am .Don't be a pussy. YOu know who you are....

When American 'INTELLIGENCE' (an oxymoron if I ever heard one) confirms the test - then we have something to worry about!

What happened to this supposed sniffer plane that could detect radiation and the stuff from bombs?

How do you know that this isn't them flexing some kind of political muscle?

I love it how some people immediately scream WAR something like this happens. Whilst I am not too excited by the possibility of this being true, the only people that have confirmed this is the NK press - something that could easily be used as propaganda.

Hell even China half rebuked NK about this and they're supposed to be best buds.

No please go back to doing whatever you do and leave it to your 'INTELLIGENCE' agency to figure out what to do.

Apart from attack some random country in search for WMD.

[American Oyaji]

Lets not puyssify this shit. Call to arms. Come ot the aid of your country. Dem or Rp. don't matter. NK wants yourdead. Time to go into action. don't be pacifist dicks. Get yourassin a uniform and kill for the USA and for Nippon. they will be dying next to you. I dont wanna hear no pussy hippy shit. This is now WAR. Time to become the men your forefathers were, Don't make this a political thing. Time to protct what you hold dear. Visit your local recruiter. Tell them AT2(AW) Freels sent ya. They know who I am .Don't be a pussy. YOu know who you are....

Uhh, No.

If war breaks out, I'll be there. Not until. I've already done my time

[Samurai_Jerk]

Russia: NKorea test greater than reported

MOSCOW - Russia's defense minister said Monday that North Korea's nuclear test was equivalent to 5,000 tons to 15,000 tons of TNT.

That would be far greater than the force given by South Korea's geological institute, which estimated it at just 550 tons of TNT.

By comparison the bomb the United States dropped on Hiroshima during World War II was equivalent to 15,000 tons of TNT.

[GuyJean]

I would but if done correctly there's no defense against nukes.

Yeah there is; diplomacy, diplomacy, diplomacy + arms build-up, arms build-up, arms build-up... Plus a more diplomacy..

Unfortunately, we have an idiot for a president who publicly calls-out the most evil of the axes.... then ignores them.. Again, sleeping at the wheel..

Japan and SK should just proclaim the nukes I assume they already have..

GJ

[GuyJean]

Unfortunately, we have an idiot for a president who publicly calls-out the most evil of the axes.... then ignores them..

Where Are the Hawks on North Korea? - OpEd
February 1, 2003
http://www.cfr.org/publication/6340/where_are_the_hawks_on_north_korea.html

Does George W. Bush actually believe his own foreign-policy pronouncements? A year ago he made North Korea a charter member of the "axis of evil" and vowed not to "permit the world's most dangerous regimes to threaten us with the world's most destructive weapons." The National Security Strategy he issued last September warned that the United States would strike preemptively to make good on that pledge. Bush told Bob Woodward that he "loathed" Kim Jong Il, North Korea's "dear leader." On Jan. 3, Bush added that he had "no heart for somebody who starves his folks."

All this tough talk would make you think Bush would be putting Pyongyang in his gun sights after it decided last month to restart its production of plutonium. But he isn't. Instead, he and his advisers are counseling patience, dismissing preemption and trumpeting the virtues of working with North Korea's neighbors. "Don't be quite so breathless," Colin Powell said, dismissing an interviewer who wondered why the administration did no more than express "disappointment" at Pyongyang's decision to violate three major international agreements. "This is not a military showdown," Bush said, "this is a diplomatic showdown."

Even more surprising than the yawning gap between the administration's rhetoric and its non-deeds is the stunning reversal of the punditocracy's self-described hawks. Usually quick to bang the drums of war, many now argue for giving peace a chance. Charles Krauthammer applauds the White House for playing down the North Korean threat. "For now, there is little the administration can do," he writes. "No point, therefore, in advertising our helplessness." William Safire asserts that it's China's responsibility, not ours, to keep North Korea from going nuclear. For good measure, he proposes withdrawing the 37,000 American troops that have kept the peace on the Korean peninsula for half a century. And The Wall Street Journal's Karen Elliott House laments, "There are no good options left for dealing with a nuclear North Korea."

This counsel of despair rings hollow, however, when compared with what these same pundits (and many Republican officials) urged during the last North Korean nuclear crisis eight years ago. Then, as now, Pyongyang was close to reprocessing spent nuclear fuel into plutonium. It was also working feverishly to complete construction of two larger reactors that could produce enough nuclear material to build tens of weapons a year. But unlike his successor, President Clinton actively sought to halt these nuclear efforts. He succeeded. Pyongyang agreed to freeze its plutonium-production program in return for shipments of fuel oil and help in building proliferation-resistant nuclear reactors.

Hawks denounced the 1994 Agreed Framework as appeasement. They wanted war and disparaged diplomacy. "Peace in Our Time" was how one of Krauthammer's many columns at the time was headlined. Safire suggested that Clinton "be prepared to crush a vaunted million-man army in Asia." House wrote, "America faces a clear choice between confrontation and capitulation," and recommended that Washington reject Clinton's embrace of appeasement and strike first instead.

What explains the hawks' pugnacity then and timidity now? They say it's because North Korea now has nuclear weapons. "We hawks," House writes, "believe it or not, understand the difference between using military force to preclude a future nuclear conflict and initiating military action that might spark one." So war is not an option...

GJ

[Hokgwai]

we're fu#ked....

[Hokgwai]

Just one serious question though.....what the #$&%$ do they want????

Ok, so f#*king what? You have a nuke. Now what they hell do they want to do? Talk?? Trade?? They don't have a damn thing to offer.

[cstaylor]

They've publicly stated that they want a nuclear deterrent so they can demobilize a large portion of their standing army. I'm assuming their next step is miniaturization of the warhead so it can fit on missiles and replace their existing conventional artillery.

The could use it as a bargaining chip for removing the economic sanctions, by threatening to sell finished weapons to the highest bidder.

Now China has to worry about more than NK refugees flying over the Yalu.

[This is a pen]

I bet they are shaking in their boots now!

UN Council condemns N Korea's nuclear test

[Tsuru]

They've publicly stated that they want a nuclear deterrent so they can demobilize a large portion of their standing army. I'm assuming their next step is miniaturization of the warhead so it can fit on missiles and replace their existing conventional artillery.

If that's true than something good may come from this for the average North Korean... their army is huge, and if half of it can be demobilised than you're talking about a million young men not standing around in their state-sponsored uniform, not carrying their state-sponsored rifle and instead returning home where they can actually earn some money by being productive rather than being a noose around the NK economy.

But in the end the money saved and earned this way will probably be spent developing more advanced nukes instead of feeding their huge population of orphans, so fuck 'em I say. Remove KJI from office with a nicely aimed tomahawk, destroy any significant military (nuclear) installations and see what happens... With any sort of luck a pro-unification, pro-democratic movement will take power and we'll get to see an former-GDR II. Relatively poor, but free and united with its western-oriented former-half.
In any case I don't think we have to worry about huge stockpiles of nuclear or conventional weapons, as they are flat fucking broke. As opposed to Iraq pre-1991 things can't get much worse for the people of NK right now, so in the end any change at all will probably be for the better. At the very least it will put an end to Lil'Kim's "re-education" camps.

[Socratesabroad]

Lets not puyssify this shit. Call to arms. Come ot the aid of your country. Dem or Rp. don't matter. NK wants yourdead. Time to go into action. don't be pacifist dicks. Get yourassin a uniform and kill for the USA and for Nippon. they will be dying next to you. I dont wanna hear no pussy hippy shit. This is now WAR. Time to become the men your forefathers were, Don't make this a political thing. Time to protct what you hold dear. Visit your local recruiter. Tell them AT2(AW) Freels sent ya. They know who I am .Don't be a pussy. YOu know who you are....

Uhh, No.

If war breaks out, I'll be there. Not until. I've already done my time

I've done my time as well but I don't think that'll help me since I'm already in China.

Though I imagine if things get too bad I'll either be pressed into service...or shot.