Medical Issue

[Mulboyne]

....Then as I watched the post head toward the bottom of the hot topic pile and about to drop off the page, I thought, what if it's genuine, it deserves at least to be noticed...

That's what I thought too. I tend to give most people the benefit of the doubt. My self-esteem can deal with the "humiliation" of treating a potential troll as a genuine poster with a real problem. I didn't have any useful information to offer in this case, though. You can see from Help_Me's profile that he/she hasn't logged in under that name since posting which might look suspicious but you can read this thread as a guest without logging in so that doesn't necessarily mean anything either way.

I completely agree with GuyJean that no-one can dictate what kind of replies they are entitled to get on a public forum and it's clear that a number of members are opposed to abortion. If I felt that way then I would have wanted to say something: it would be offensive see the issue treated the same way as a question about the nearest local video store. Big Booger chose a constructive way of making his point. AO is free to state his opinions but I can take issue with his manner.

[kurohinge1]

Forgive me father for I have sinned. Where the fuck you coming from GJ? She just asked where and how much and without any shit! Now, you want to set up an authorized sermon and confessional. Tell her where, how much and move on. If you want to start a thread on illegal or unethical roto rooter activities, fine. But not here is all I'm saying.

Hey

Not new to the forum but need a vital answer, and please no moralistic issues here as not interested as it's my life and my choice.

Now I need some advice about how to go about getting a gun. Have thought it out seriously and it is the right decision to make.

Please advise how much it would cost and where to get one.

Please no one try to post about pro-life or etcetera. Simply not interested as it's my choice - I would just like some advice as above.

Thank you so much xxx

[FG Lurker]

Now I need some advice about how to go about getting a gun. Have thought it out seriously and it is the right decision to make.

I know your post was at least somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but legally there is obviously a huge difference between shooting a baby that has been born and aborting one that has not.

I respect a person's right to make choices within the bounds of the law, even if I might not make the same choice or if I find the choice distasteful. Abortion is a choice afforded under Japanese law. Murder is not.

[Adhesive]

I know your post was at least somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but legally there is obviously a huge difference between shooting a baby that has been born and aborting one that has not.

I respect a person's right to make choices within the bounds of the law, even if I might not make the same choice or if I find the choice distasteful. Abortion is a choice afforded under Japanese law. Murder is not.

What about the hypothetical that I previosuly posted?

[Adhesive]

I found it interesting how this subject polarised the group.... but whatever your point of view, it is best served by mature discussion rather than name calling and finger pointing.

Yeah, when does a subject like this not polarize?

However, I think only one person actually came out and said abortion was wrong...the rest of us are simply bringing attention to the fact that criticizing that person for crudely, but breezily, letting his opinion be known is a bit...I don't want to say hypocritical, but, perhaps, a bit of a peculiar deviation from the forum's norm.

[FG Lurker]

What about the hypothetical that I previosuly posted?

If Jack wasn't such a oxygen-wasting loser I might tell him where the good hotels are in Osaka. As it is I wouldn't give him the time of day, far less something that took more time & effort.

[kurohinge1]

What about the hypothetical that I previously posted?

Although Jack is arguably still in the first trimester in terms of maturity, the fact is he has been born, so it's too late for an abortion.

That was the hypothetical, right?

[CrankyBastard]

[quote="kurohinge1"]Although Jack is arguably still in the first trimester in terms of maturity, the fact is he has been born, so it's too late for an abortion.

That was the hypothetical, right?

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[kurohinge1]

. . . I respect a person's right to make choices within the bounds of the law . . . Abortion is a choice afforded under Japanese law . . .

I think even the staunch non-believers at this point would venture a small prayer that, if there is a heaven, then it is not Japanese law that is applied as the standard.

[FG Lurker]

[quote="kurohinge1"]I think even the staunch non-believers at this point would venture a small prayer that, if there is a heaven, then it is not Japanese law that is applied as the standard.

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Definitely, Japanese law is the worst in the world. I'd much sooner live somewhere like North Korea where the people are free and live in a workers paradise.

(More seriously though, these days I would say life in Japan has more freedom than life in the US.)

[nullpointer]

[quote="kurohinge1"]Hey

Not new to the forum but need a vital answer, and please no moralistic issues here as not interested as it's my life and my choice.

Now I need some advice about how to go about getting a gun. Have thought it out seriously and it is the right decision to make.

Please advise how much it would cost and where to get one.

Please no one try to post about pro-life or etcetera. Simply not interested as it's my choice - I would just like some advice as above.

Thank you so much xxx



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False Analogy. Murder is illegal, Abortion is not.

On the other end of the same scale of argument by false analogy, if someone asks where the nearest McDonald's is, then telling them they are stupid as eating fries is bad for health?

[kurohinge1]

False Analogy. Murder is illegal, Abortion is not . . .

From FGL's & nullpointer's posts, I can see that the baby-gun photo really detracted from my message. Sorry about that. Ignore the photo & you'll notice that I simply changed the original post to ask where you could buy a gun instead of an abortion.

In reaction to gboothe's criticism of GJ, the point I intended to make was: Regardless of what the poster stipulates, when do people stop "just giving directions" and get involved?

[nullpointer]

Regardless of what the poster stipulates, when do people stop "just giving directions" and get involved?

Excellent question. IMHO people stop giving directions when they believe (rightly or not) that they have a moral high ground compared to the person asking the question due to their religious and/or ethical beliefs. Abortion is a an issue which involves a (perceived or otherwise) loss of life. In Iran you would get stoned to death for suggesting that eating pork may be good for health. Ditto for beef in parts of India. On the other hand, in parts of Texas, shooting and killing a burglar who may be stealing a rake from your yard may get you an attaboy from the same folks who consider abortion to be murder.

Go figure.

[maninjapan]

Having never been down this avenue, I can only imagine the ordeal she must be going through.

NOwadays what is too young? Is it 18 or is it 24? Is she in a long term relationship or is it short term?

Again without not having a reply from her puts some doubt in this thread but lets be honest - some people do have lives to live and don't spend all day on a forum.

Yes it is a private problem but perhaps she can't discuss it with her friends. Plus it's not like I am gonna go down to the pub and say her some girl in Japan is having an abortion.

In regards to her not replying, perhaps like some of us here, uses an internet cafe to look at the internet?

[GuyJean]

..On the other hand, in parts of Texas, shooting and killing a burglar who may be stealing a rake from your yard may get you an attaboy from the same folks who consider abortion to be murder.

In those same parts in Texas, aborting a fetus is justification for murdering a person..

So should I give you directions through Medellin, Colombia without warning you of my last experience there? You just want directions, right? ]are[/i] real forums to deal with these problems..

GJ

[nullpointer]

So should I give you directions through Medellin, Colombia without warning you of my last experience there? You just want directions, right?

GJ

GJ,

In the hypothetical case that you mentioned, a warning would be acceptable and actually, welcome.

A crass and derogatory remark as made by AO, however, would invite replies as have been given in this thread by other posters.There are nice and rude ways to put the same thing across to the other person. If you are civil and voice your opinion/argument as part of a reasonable discourse, then only a very irrational person would have a problem with what you have to say. Stooping to crass remarks and taking a holier than thou attitude, would of course invite the same back.Two people pretty much expressed the same underlying feelings in this thread. The language they chose, however, was completely different and the result is for all to see.

[FG Lurker]

From FGL's & nullpointer's posts, I can see that the baby-gun photo really detracted from my message. Sorry about that. Ignore the photo & you'll notice that I simply changed the original post to ask where you could buy a gun instead of an abortion.

In reaction to gboothe's criticism of GJ, the point I intended to make was: Regardless of what the poster stipulates, when do people stop "just giving directions" and get involved?

My answer would still be exactly the same. If it was legal for the person in question to buy a gun, and if I didn't think they were mentally unstable and/or likely to use the gun for an illegal purpose, I'd give them the directions if I had the information.

What I do not understand is why some people think they are better than others and should push their (especially religious, but also moral) beliefs upon said other people. If there really is a God, I am sure he laughs his ass off watching one idiot human try to "fix" another idiot human.

[kurohinge1]

. . . if I didn't think they were mentally unstable and/or likely to use the gun for an illegal purpose, I'd give them the directions . . .

What I do not understand is why some people think they are better than others and should push their (especially religious, but also moral) beliefs upon said other people . . .

Do you mean like judging another person, say, as to whether they are mentally unstable and/or likely to do something illegal?

[canman]

Why would anybody drop into a forum they are not a member of and post such a question. Are they doing research into peoples attitudes towards abortion. What do they care about how we attack each other, and start infighting. This has to be one of the strangest aspects to the internet and forums.
Now if it was a true cry for help, and perhaps it was, who knows, then I think all of the advice given on this discussion was warrented whether the poster wanted it or not, you can't have everytihg sugar coated. I feel that is the problem with a lot of things these days, we only want to hear the answers that suit us.

[dimwit]

Were I a troll I would be awfully proud of what this thread has achieved. Just a thought.

[Greji]

Now if it was a true cry for help, and perhaps it was, who knows, then I think all of the advice given on this discussion was warrented whether the poster wanted it or not, you can't have everytihg sugar coated. I feel that is the problem with a lot of things these days, we only want to hear the answers that suit us.

Quite true and the poster did set limitations that did not seem like a troll warming up (at least IMHO). That is possiblely wrong, but still it has been pointed out that we in FG do tend to be very hard on new posters and/or members, myself included, as if this is our very own board and nobody else can join, or post anything we don't like.

Well, I guess that was the nature of the beast, but I feel that until the person shows to be a troll or create other problems, why couldn't a first or second post ask a personal question? Do we have rules against that?

[FG Lurker]

Do you mean like judging another person, say, as to whether they are mentally unstable and/or likely to do something illegal?

I never said people shouldn't judge other people. I said that people should follow the law and not peddle religious-based beliefs.

There are big differences between buying a gun and getting an abortion and these differences require usage of some common sense.

Have you ever seen someone use an abortion to rob a bank? How about use an abortion to shoot someone in anger? Or maybe take that abortion and blast away with it at some random person on the street? No? Me neither.

Abortion is abortion, agree with it or not. If it is legal it can not be used to do something illegal.

Buying a gun and getting an abortion are not the same sort of thing. I suggest looking for a better analogy.

[kurohinge1]

I never said people shouldn't judge other people.

I said that people should follow the law and not peddle religious-based beliefs . . . Buying a gun and getting an abortion are not the same sort of thing. I suggest looking for a better analogy.

Actually, it wasn't an analogy, it was an example. An extreme example to see how far it has to go before people start thinking about what they're assisting.

Also, please don't assume that religion dictates all human belief. I'm sure that not all those who oppose abortion are religious. And not all those with religious beliefs are opposed to abortion.

However, your judging point seems inconsistent: Saying you may judge others (based on the laws you consider important and your anti-religious beliefs) but others shouldn't judge (based on the laws they consider important and their beliefs, whether religious or otherwise) suggests that you feel superior to anyone who does not share your opinion - the very type of person you were criticising.

[FG Lurker]

However, your judging point seems inconsistent: Saying you may judge others (based on the laws you consider important and your anti-religious beliefs) but others shouldn't judge (based on the laws they consider important and their beliefs, whether religious or otherwise) suggests that you feel superior to anyone who does not share your opinion - the very type of person you were criticising.

Everyone feels their opinion is best -- that is why they hold that opinion. I am no exception to that rule and neither are you.

I believe strongly in individual freedom, individual responsibility, and extremely small government. I do not think that governments should be allowed to decide what medical procedures a person can or can not have. If someone wants a sex change then fine, as long as they can pay for it. If someone feels sincerely that they are not able to bring a baby into the world then they should have the option to abort.

Regarding religion, I think people should be able to believe in what they want and that it should not be government controlled or government supported. Religion and government should be kept separate, and so should religion and public education. If people want to send their children to church-run religious schools fine, but religion should not be in public schools due to the varying beliefs of the general population.

I also think people who follow religions closely should step back and study the history of their religion of choice and see where the religion came from, what it did in the past, and how its current system of beliefs came into being. This can be a very eye-opening experience, especially if one is open-minded enough to get information from a variety of sources.

[Big Booger]

This was a troll bait post if ever I have seen one. And it worked flawlessly.

[whos.your.daddy]

This was a troll bait post if ever I have seen one. And it worked flawlessly.

Dude your 3500 + posts are troll bait.

[Greji]

Dude your 3500 + posts are troll bait.

You might have a point there! Whether you are aware of it or not, when BB lets one of his special hakusai and wasabi babies go, he does have a rather dead catfish bait aroma about his tattered knickers! He'd do for Schrek 3.

[Big Booger]

Dude your 3500 + posts are troll bait.

Actually I replied, but then I decided to edit it. You're not worth it.

[FG Lurker]

This was a troll bait post if ever I have seen one. And it worked flawlessly.

I've enjoyed the debate. It's interesting to see how people feel about topics like this. FG's been a bit boring recently anyway.

[whos.your.daddy]

That my friend BB was a deliberate troll method.
Just because some girl puts a bit of a flamable post does not mean it was a troll.
Even if the post was genuine. I am sure the person doesnt feel comfortable posting here again.

Any reply to a troll even to say you are not going to reply means you fell for the bait. That is the only objective of a real troll.