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Postby bluepxl » Fri Mar 14, 2003 7:18 pm

One other thing, how did Noah fit all those damn creatures in that boat..?? I mean considering every variation of species known today, and even those unknown, that boat must have been the size of a country if not larger, and what about the insects??? Did he actually capture 2 of every insect and put on the boat?


Genesis 6
19 You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you.
20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive.

in verse 20 that it says "will come to you to be kept alive". God called all the creatures to gather at the boat. noah's job was to get them on the boat and stay there through the flood.

also, you say "I mean considering every variation of species known today"... well, not as many variations existed then. do you really think they had poodles, german shepherds, dauschunds, cocker spaniels, golden retrievers? chimps, orangutangs, and all sorts of crazy african monkeys? all the millions of kind of birds? i think "breeds"--the variations you must be talking about in such great numbers--have occured through a very long period of time of genetic mixing from the original creatures. when god wanted birds to come, i don't think he meant two of each blue jay, two of each mockingbird, two of each parrot, etc. also, it is quite possible for God to have invented other creatures after the flood without telling us... ;) what's to stop Him, He is God!

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Gen.2:17

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And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years and then he died. Gen.5:5


other translations often something more like "but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die." (NIV) so apparently, the translation you are reading does not necessarily mean literally that same 24 hour day, but as "day" in english can often mean a very long time. such as "in the day", "back in the day", does not pinpoint an exact 24 hour point in time.


Another one:
And God made the beasts of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness." Gen.1:25-26 [Man was made after the beasts]


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And the Lord God said, "It is not good that the man should be alone..." And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam. Gen.2:18-19 [Man was made before the beasts]


In the first verses, Gen 1:25-26, he literally *invents* the creatures, but it does not assume where they exist. I find that in Gen 2:18-19, God wanted adam to have helpers in the garden, so formed them right there and also wanted adam to discover and name them. I don't exactly see the contradiction, actually, in that God can create anything He wants at anytime.

Another ONE:

Thou shalt not kill. Exod.20:13

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Thus sayeth the Lord God of Israel, "Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor." Exod.32:27


It was God's command. Abraham loved God so much that he was going to sacrifice his own son that he and his wife had labored so hard to have, but it was God's command to do so since a sacrifice of blood had to be made. The people were not just going around killing people because they wanted to which was against the commandment laid out earlier, but they did it because they wanted to follow God and be obedient. I don't believe that God was justifying death and saying "it's ok to murder now". He had a reason, and perhaps if I studied it more I could give discover such a reason. now, i cannot tell you WHY God chose to do this. He is loving yet vengeful, and has every right to be. What I do know is that the people were being very displeasing to God at this time, worshipping false idols and doing other things regardless of the commandments previously given to them. They seemed to have no respect and continued on not caring. I think God wanted people who were willing to follow Him even at the loss of their families. There are a lot of things I don't know, but that doesn't mean it's wrong, it just means I don't know everything and never will. :)

There are many many contradictions in the Bible... which one could argue would be natural if they were contradicitions from say a different book of the bible, but these come from within the same book, exodus, Genesis, and so on..


basically every contradiction i have heard about is either taken out of context or taken too literally or in the wrong sense. often times people don't think about what they read too. also, when multiple translations occur, it is easy for such contradictions to exist that were not contradicting in the original language.
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Postby Big Booger » Fri Mar 14, 2003 7:36 pm

basically every contradiction i have heard about is either taken out of context or taken too literally or in the wrong sense. often times people don't think about what they read too. also, when multiple translations occur, it is easy for such contradictions to exist that were not contradicting in the original language.


Interesting.

actually, no, they didn't.


If they didn't have sex with their kiddies, how in the hell did mankind continue for so many years?
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Last thing about the Noah crap:
also, you say "I mean considering every variation of species known today"... well, not as many variations existed then. do you really think they had poodles, german shepherds, dauschunds, cocker spaniels, golden retrievers? chimps, orangutangs, and all sorts of crazy african monkeys? all the millions of kind of birds? i think "breeds"--the variations you must be talking about in such great numbers--have occured through a very long period of time of genetic mixing from the original creatures. when god wanted birds to come, i don't think he meant two of each blue jay, two of each mockingbird, two of each parrot, etc. also, it is quite possible for God to have invented other creatures after the flood without telling us...


strictly speaking, the story of Noah can't be more than a few thousand years old... that said, given the time it takes for a species to differentiate, reproduce successfully etc.. I just can't buy that story. I think it is a load.. So God summoned lizards from North America, and they came all the way to the Middle East????

LMAO... Funny thing is how you and even I refer to God as HE... even the Bible does... women surely got the shit end of the equality stick, according to the Bible, which was written by men.
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Postby American Oyaji » Fri Mar 14, 2003 10:13 pm

Big Booger wrote:I was just pointing out a fact that adam and Eve banged their children.
Now whether that fits your bill or not is not for me to judge, it is a fact. According to the Bible, Adam and Eve reproduced through incest, that or their children did...


Adam and Eve never touched their children. Every man was to have one wife of his own. They weren't swapping off or anything like that. Although that DID happen from time to time, i'm sure. But like bluepxl said earlier, there was no law against "incest" at the time. God DID however prefer each man to have ONE wife. But it still wasn't a law yet. So it wasn't punished.


One other thing, how did Noah fit all those damn creatures in that boat..?? :D I mean considering every variation of species known today, and even those unknown, that boat must have been the size of a country if not larger, and what about the insects??? Did he actually capture 2 of every insect and put on the boat?


I personally believe this is one of the overlooked miracles in the Bible. God being God, he knows all aspects of science that he created in this world. He could have taken advantage of quantum physics and had the inside larger than it appeared outside. (this is theoretically possible. HOW, I have no clue. Quantum physics isn't my strong suit.)

Now on to so more contradictions of the Bible:

Biblical contradictions are only men trying not to understand. Here is why I say that. Look at your stance on this issue BB. You are determined to prove God (God's word-the Bible, hence God) wrong, instead of trying to see HOW it fits, you are trying to prove it doesn't. Believe me, you are not arguing with ME. You are arguing with God's Word - The Bible, hence God. A man can never win arguing with God. I've tried and failed. God is smarter than me. That's ONE reason I follow his son now.

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Gen.2:17
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And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years and then he died. Gen.5:5


Without the presence of sin. Man can live forever because his relationship with God renews him constantly. However, disobedience is sin. Once sin enters the equation, God withdraws from man. That's why it says in Luke,

Luke 4:4 - And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God

Food isnt enough to keep man alive. Eventually, he WILL die without God.

And God made the beasts of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness." Gen.1:25-26 [Man was made after the beasts]
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And the Lord God said, "It is not good that the man should be alone..." And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air]

God created man last as the pinnacle of creation. And it doesnt say CREATE. It says formed. So maybe he made a representation of an animal, or he made an actual animal on the spot that already existed someplace else. He did this so Adam could name them.

Thou shalt not kill. Exod.20:13
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Thus sayeth the Lord God of Israel, "Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor." Exod.32:27


Thou shalt not kill is not to kill for selfish reasons. That was in context of the Ten Commandments. The second quote you have there is after the people of Israel had worshipped the golden calf. This was a punishment decreed by God.

There are many many contradictions in the Bible... which one could argue would be natural if they were contradicitions from say a different book of the bible, but these come from within the same book, exodus, Genesis, and so on..


I believe I've given you adequate answers.

LMAO... Funny thing is how you and even I refer to God as HE... even the Bible does... women surely got the s*** end of the equality stick, according to the Bible, which was written by men.


You are absolutely right up to a point. Man was created first and then woman OUT of man. Woman is a refined human being basically. You could equate man to be the raw material, and woman to be a refined product. Man is made to be a leader and woman his helper. Not slave, not object of sexual gratification. Helper. But its a 2 way street.

Ephesians 5:22-33
22 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Saviour.
24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her
26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word,
27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.
28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.
29 After all, no-one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church--
30 for we are members of his body.
31 "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh."
32 This is a profound mystery--but I am talking about Christ and the church.
33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
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Postby American Oyaji » Fri Mar 14, 2003 10:27 pm

Neo-Rio wrote:So you're just doing God's will in the hope of getting something.
Sounds like you "love" him a great deal.


Actually, you have it the wrong way around.
Man CAN'T work his way into heaven.
I do God's will because God loved me enough to have his Son die on the cross and shed his blood so I don't have to go to hell.
The only thing I can give God to repay his gift is my own life. And to live my life in his service according to his will.

You could look at it another way:
Imagine there are many ronin. They are ALL sentenced to death for various crimes. The Shogun pardons them all. There are 2 doors to the prison. 1 leading to the execution grounds. The other leading out to freedom. But to go to freedom, you have to live by the Shoguns laws.
Some are too prideful and go to the execution grounds. But those who die, don't die. They just keep getting executed over and over. Something they didnt realise. SOME who go to freedom just didnt want to get executed and thought they could escape death, but still live life their own way. Of course they get caught and get taken to the execution grounds. To suffer forever.

Then there are those who are grateful. They pledge their lives to serve the Shogun. Not only are they spared, but they are given rank and status accordingly.
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Postby bluepxl » Sat Mar 15, 2003 2:32 am

LMAO... Funny thing is how you and even I refer to God as HE... even the Bible does... women surely got the s*** end of the equality stick, according to the Bible, which was written by men.


that is just how the english language works. think about it. usually when gender is unknown in the english language, we resort to he/him. God has no gender so to speak, but because the english language must identify one way or the another, obviously we call Him He. take it up with english-- your point about equality goes nowhere.
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Postby bluepxl » Sat Mar 15, 2003 2:37 am

strictly speaking, the story of Noah can't be more than a few thousand years old... that said, given the time it takes for a species to differentiate, reproduce successfully etc.. I just can't buy that story. I think it is a load.. So God summoned lizards from North America, and they came all the way to the Middle East????


sure. if He CREATED them and the earth they walk on, why would it be so hard to believe He could do something as simple as summoning them all the way to the middle east? as far as we know, He could have 'teleported' the creatures, so to speak.

also, though it does take time for such genetic changes to occur, i don't think it takes more than a few thousand years in many cases. take plants for instance-- people are inventing new "breeds" of flowers all the time by mixing them. there are new flowers that occur out of this, which took almost no time to make. the same goes with animals. animals that breed together over a length of time will eventually form into different breeds. that in itself doesn't have to take thousands of years.

i can't say much since i really don't know, i mean, i wasn't there! but i do know that it is more than possible, because it is the truth. afterall, if God wants it to happen, it will; regardless of our logic that attempts to understand it.
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Postby Big Booger » Sat Mar 15, 2003 8:31 pm

Isn't the creation of "God" very convenient. Here you have this
"being" that can do it all, is perfect, can never make a mistake, etc.. Not only that, but you have to believe in God's "son" as well.. and all the while God is referred to as "he" in English. So in French is God referred to as "She"? What about Russian? Japanese? Swahili?

I just don't buy into a religion that is so confusing and so branched in the way that Christianity is. I want pureness and simplicity, something Christianity just does not offer...

I suppose one day I will come to terms with mortality and then I will most like turn to religion to help be cope with death and the inevitable... but for now I don't want to join in the hooplah... not yet anyway.
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Postby American Oyaji » Sat Mar 15, 2003 9:36 pm

Big Booger wrote:I just don't buy into a religion that is so confusing and so branched in the way that Christianity is. I want pureness and simplicity, something Christianity just does not offer...


Actually, Christianity is QUITE pure. Mankind has made a religion out of Christianity.
Remember religion is manmade. Man trying to get to God on man's terms.
Christianity is a relationship with God.

Catholocism (HUGE cult in actuality. Not Christianity at all)
Baptist, Protestant, Lutheran, Methodist and the list goes on with some that are not even related to Christianity though the claim it.

Here are the basic tenets of true Christianity.

1. God is the Supreme Being and creator of the universe.
2. His son, Jesus, born of a virgin, is God in the flesh.
3. Jesus, who was without sin, died on the cross for our sins, to save us from hell.
4. He rose from the grave and now sits on the right hand of God.
5. Jesus Christ is the only way men can be saved.

And there are only 2 "rituals" in the Bible, that are followed by true Christians, and these are not necessary to be saved.
1. Baptism.
2. The Lord's Supper.

Thats it. No mantras to hum. No praying 3 times a day facing a certain direction. No twisting your body into different shapes. No restrictions on types of foods.

For more info see Defending and Guarding the Christian Faith
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Postby Big Booger » Sat Mar 15, 2003 9:41 pm

So what you are saying is that all the christians that fall under any sect, other than purists, are cults? Baptists are Cult members? Catholics are cult members? Then why do they claim to be Christian?
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Postby American Oyaji » Sat Mar 15, 2003 10:35 pm

Big Booger wrote:So what you are saying is that all the christians that fall under any sect, other than purists, are cults? Baptists are Cult members? Catholics are cult members? Then why do they claim to be Christian?
Interesting.


No. Only Catholicism.

Baptist, Methodist and Lutheran fall under Protestantism and these were in PROTEST of the doctrines of the Catholic church and the Church of England.

The differences in these depends on practical methodology. Their BASE is true Christianity.
For example, Baptists practice complete submersion baptism as opposed to Methodists who practice only sprinkling baptism.

The base of Catholicism APPEARS to be Christianity, but in practice it is not.
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Postby Big Booger » Sat Mar 15, 2003 10:42 pm

so only catholicism is a cult sub sect of Christianity? Interesting. So like I guess Mormons and Jehovah are not Christians as well. they are cults too?

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Postby American Oyaji » Sun Mar 16, 2003 3:27 am

Big Booger wrote:so only catholicism is a cult sub sect of Christianity? Interesting. So like I guess Mormons and Jehovah are not Christians as well. they are cults too?


Its not a sect of Christianity at all.

In fact, most Christians don't realise that Catholicism is the largest cult in the history of mankind.

Mormons and Jehovah's witness have heretical doctrines as well.

LDS (mormons) believe that God actually had sex with Mary.

And JWs deny the deity of Christ. (If Christ isn't divine, then salvation has no meaning)
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Postby bluepxl » Sun Mar 16, 2003 4:13 am

LDS (mormons) believe that God actually had sex with Mary.


they of course are also famous for believing the more women you mary, the bigger plannet you will have when you die to be God of. that is your heaven, to be God of a planet with all your women or something.
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Postby bluepxl » Sun Mar 16, 2003 4:24 am

i agree with AO on catholicism being cultish in nature, however unlike the common belief of what a cult is, there is no requirement that you sell everything you have and forget your family and move to some crazy place in the middle of the country and sip weird drinks ;)

but, over the years, it has been less to almost nothing about what God taught through the Bible and more about easy ritualisitic things that can save you for the previous week. i have had friends whose parents make them go to catholic church, and it's very ritualistic; they read the same prayer every week, say the same things, etc. this isn't a real relationship with God, and the way they pray to mary and the saints and leaders of the catholic church is also keeping you from a real relationship with God. they believe that we should not go to God Himself, but to God via mary or a saint or something else. many believe you cannot and should not go to God direct.

but this entirely defeats the purpose of Christ. that is why He came. so that we could have a one on one relationship with God. when we travel, we shouldn't be praying to the saint of travelling (whatever his name is), we should look to God for help. that's what the catholics do, however. and where they got the ideas from, i'm not sure. mostly people in power, but definitely not the Word of God. also, you can only be forgiven of sin through the blood of Christ, not some dude sitting in a booth all day or some guy who visits you on your death bed to read you your last rights. they cannot save you from anything. and the way the catholics were known for selling indulgences (payments for forgiveness of sin) and kicking out anyone who didn't believe otherwise.... a lot of that right there is why it is a considered a cult..
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Postby American Oyaji » Sun Mar 16, 2003 4:38 am

Here is a little more info on Mormonism and JWs

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Postby Andocrates » Sun Mar 16, 2003 6:03 am

Firstly, this whole line doesn't work - is Christ divided? There isn't any need to point out the fakes in life, the real deal always sells itself. So shame on both of you for airing the churches dirty laundry. If you want to convert people preach Christ - no one ever converted to Christianity because Catolics are ritualistic.

Plus, who made you the Holy Spirit, why do you get to decide who is "saved" and who isn't? Must be nice to be God's mouthpiece.
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Postby bluepxl » Sun Mar 16, 2003 6:51 am

Plus, who made you the Holy Spirit, why do you get to decide who is "saved" and who isn't? Must be nice to be God's mouthpiece.


first of all, i believe we were explaining to big booger as to why it is considered a cult.

second of all, the bible tells us all how to be saved, and it is achievable by all who wish. we don't decide for ourselves who is and isn't saved. i have no such right!
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Postby American Oyaji » Sun Mar 16, 2003 11:40 am

Andocrates wrote:Firstly, this whole line doesn't work - is Christ divided? There isn't any need to point out the fakes in life, the real deal always sells itself. So shame on both of you for airing the churches dirty laundry. If you want to convert people preach Christ - no one ever converted to Christianity because Catolics are ritualistic.

Plus, who made you the Holy Spirit, why do you get to decide who is "saved" and who isn't? Must be nice to be God's mouthpiece.


Andocrates,
If you were a skydiver, and you were about to use a broken parachute, but you didn't know it was broken, wouldn't you want someone to tell you it was broken? It's a matter of life and death, heaven and hell.
So yes, there IS a need to point out the fakes.

As to who is and isn't saved. God gave human beings the choice. He offers salvation free to ALL people. And He has showed the way, which is his son Jesus Christ. A lot of men for their own personal gain and glory have tried to draw people to THEIR paths. God has chosen salvation for ALL MANKIND, but men in their finite wisdom reject God and would rather cling to their sinful abbreviated existence.
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Postby Big Booger » Sun Mar 16, 2003 2:34 pm

I think I have decided. Christianity in any form, is a cult.. :D
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Postby American Oyaji » Sun Mar 16, 2003 2:45 pm

Big Booger wrote:I think I have decided. Christianity in any form, is a cult..


Are you being flippant? Or are you serious?

And if so, why?

Have you actually considered that what I say may be true?

You don't have to answer. I just ask that you answer these questions within yourself. It's now between you and God, now that you know the truth.
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Postby Big Booger » Sun Mar 16, 2003 7:12 pm

I shall ponder this thread, and all the twists it took.
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Postby American Oyaji » Mon Mar 17, 2003 12:14 am

Another point on parables.

Parables are a verbal illustration of a concept or an idea.
It's easier to convey an idea in this way than in simple abstract concepts.
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