Why Date Asian Women?

[GomiGirl]

Could you possibly have misread Gomi's post? I don't think she's waving anything in the air! (Correct me if I'm wrong GG)...and when do we discuss J boyfriends?!

Tsuru...I'm surprised at your reaction here...

Yeah - me too.. I was kinda trying to lighten it up a bit as some of the posters were getting a tad hot under the collar. But it was kinda scary to wade into it as it is really a case of "dammed if you do and dammed if you don't" - ie I am either a whiney feminazi fat white chick or I am watching a train wreck without stopping to help pull out any survivors.

I too am shocked when I visit home about the size of people - both men and women - anyone with eyes can see this. But it only seems to be the chicks that get critized for this - like it is entirely their fault and a sign of the demise of a race. Research has shown that a combination of modern food production techniques, peer pressure, advertising and cultural changes are contributors to this international health issue. It is a sad reality.

But it is hard to talk on this issue when there is so much anger out there - try to read this thread from the point of view of a western chick and you can understand my reluctance to join in a conversation where I am going to be attacked just for being me.

Silly Girl and I shall just watch from the sidelines.

[sillygirl]

Silly Girl and I shall just watch from the sidelines.

Got the smokes, you bring beer.

[kurohinge1]

. . . Actually I had seen not a few "weird" euro-american foreign students . . . in my collage days . . .

Have you given up the collagemaking, T-chan?

That's a shame.

[Tsuru]

Okay, maybe I was overreacting a little... no sweat

I do agree about the point made about the double standards, but you have to admit there are some people out there who think western guys getting it on with asian chicks is wrong somehow. Some of these people are J-idiots like takechanpoo and others are the girls that feel that I slam the door in their faces by walking down the streets of the city with my fiancé. Dutch women seem to be especially sensitive to being turned down, I don't know why that is.

I wish I was rich and not quite so good-looking

[GomiGirl]

but you have to admit there are some people out there who think western guys getting it on with asian chicks is wrong somehow. Some of these people are idiots like takechanpoo and others... well...

Tell them all to go fuck themselves - sleep with/marry/date whomever you are attracted to... no need to justify a preference. Who you sleep with has no relevence to me.. just don't call me names cos I am not a blonde/brunette/asian or whatever you are into.

To AO - this goes for you too.. don't analyse shit by saying that asian women pander to your ego better.. you sound like the women that James is accusing of being demanding that their needs are satisfied. It is an unattractive trait in either gender.

[Jack]

One thing I find is this: say you have a few Japanese girls at your place and you are making something to eat, the J-girls will eagerly wait and taste what you have made. Say you have a few white chicks for whom you are cooking, each will tell you what they like and what they don't like with an emphasis on what they don't like. The J-chicks would have eaten everything on a plate while the white chicks would have separated what they don't like to the side of the plate. Been there, done that, countless times and I don't do it anymore with white chicks.

[kurohinge1]

. . . I too am shocked when I visit home about the size of people - both men and women - anyone with eyes can see this. . .

I told you not to leave your home's door open, Gomi. Especially if the fridge isn't locked.

Butt , maybe I can help . . .

The other day I noticed on the news that, following the war on terrorism, we have now apparently declared war on obesity.

Well, this is a war that I think would be more convenient to my lifestyle. I won't have to go to another country. Each day, I can just bag my fair share of the obese within a few clicks of home and be back in time for supper.

And they're not sneaky like those terrorists. In fact, the obese are slow and pretty hard to miss, even at a distance, and some of them are so big, you've only got to shoot near them and gravity will do the rest. And they can't run to save themselves. Literally.

Yep, I think I can help on this one.

As soon as I enlist, first stop is Gomi's home, to get those uninvited chubbies she saw grazing there.

[amdg]

Cows fucking each other.

OK, yeah, western sex can be a bit off colour.



Which one is our very own 'rifleman' chuckles?

[Mulboyne]

"Non-Japanese girls" seems like a very large category of women for any man to be dismissing so readily. Preferring Japanese girls because they are thin also seems pretty limiting. They aren't too hefty in India either. I spend a lot of time in Europe as well as Japan and I enjoy both places. If you think Tokyo or Osaka has major eye candy then I recommend you visit Spain. Aside from there, the bar I remember with the greatest number of astonishingly-good looking girls was in Tel Aviv.

I agree that Japanese girls are good at massaging your ego but too much of that kind of treatment can be tiresome. You can turn into a bit of an arsehole if everyone around you agrees with you and laughs at your jokes all the time. Also, when I read AO's comment:

I think Asian women understand the male ego better than most of their western counterparts and cater to it

I really only know anything about Japanese girls but I think the full statement should include the words "...in order to get what they want" to be entirely accurate.

Personally, I find confident and self-possessed girls to be attractive. You can find them in Japan but you are more likely to turn up possessive and possessed types. I've met some great girls in Tokyo but I'd hope to be able to do the same in any big city in the world. The older and fatter I get, the harder it is but I'm not going to blame the girls for that.

[American Oyaji]

Dutch women seem to be especially sensitive to being turned down, I don't know why that is.

Don't think that dutch women are the only ones.

I've had black women call me a race traitor because I married an "other". It's also kind of hard to ignore them because they are aggressive about it.

I was trying to tell a group of black women about the grace and poise that their mother's and grandmother's possessed that they have lost, but they couldn't get it. And I realize it's American women for the most part. They've equated femininity with weakness. As for the weight thing, I prefer a woman to have curves and some meat on her bones and not be a scrawny rake. That was reflected in my choice of Japanese women as well. I chose women that most Japanese men thought were "fat", but they were far from it. They just carried more meat on the booty than average, which I prefer.

I don't think the loss of femininity extends so much to the U.K., Aus or NZ.
I've met women from these countries and even though they might drink as much as me and swear worse, they STILL manage to be ladylike some how.
Or maybe the sample of comparison were of those few who were raised to it.

Anyway, yeah, there are stereotypes, but where there is smoke, there is fire.

[GomiGirl]

I think Asian women understand the male ego better than most of their western counterparts and cater to it

I really only know anything about Japanese girls but I think the full statement should include the words "...in order to get what they want" to be entirely accurate.

Not just what they want - it is deeper than that - it is more of a case of get what they need sometimes. It is still a fact of life in Japan that often survival relates to marrying somebody who is able to support them as pay inequality and opportunity means that it is difficult for a woman in Japan to survive on her own. (I have just been interviewing new staff members and it is sad the number of unemployed single women over a certain age who cannot find decent paying jobs in this country.)

Imagine that the only job you could get that paid the rent and put food on the table was less than ideal. Even if the job was crap and the boss was an idiot, you still did your job, shut your mouth and kept the boss happy by pandering to his ego.

If you knew that your very survival wasn't limited to this one job, you may well tell the boss what you thought of him and find a new job that suited you better and you wouldn't care what your old boss thought of you.

This used to be the case in western countries too where there were very limited opportunites for a career (read survival) for women. Women had to be more acceptable for men as the alternatives were quite grim - financially as well as socially. Women were more demure and non-threatening and kept their mouths shut in order as this was the culture as well as ensuring their own lifestyle. As this has changed, so has the culture - for the better and the worse.

Unfortuantely the extension of this situation in gender relations is that there are extremes.. eg the gold-digging whore who is just out to separate you from your hard earned cash and exchange them for Prada and LV (and we all know some of those girls in this town) and the rude girl who wants what she wants when she wants it with no manners.

Both styles are repungant to me but these are extreme cases. I am sure that some of you have left a bad job with an idiot boss or a bad relationship with an unsuitable partner graciously so it doesn'T need to be like this. Manners are the key - but there are genuine mistakes too - I have been guilty myself but I am only human.

I am not saying that x=good and y=bad. It is just that culture is a moving target and people have to go with the flow and people need to mind their manners in all cases and be accepting of people and ideas that differ from their own.

[American Oyaji]

*edit*
Mulboyne's edit of my quote said it best.

[Tsuru]

They've equated femininity with weakness.

Wham! I think you've hit upon the nail right there, my friend.

The thing is that many non-believers seem to think we are into Asian women because we are somehow insecure and need a "weak" woman to match our personality, while the opposite is true: I can't talk for all Asian women but my fiancé is one of the strongest and most steadfast women I've ever known, second only to my own mother. Several of my Dutch exes and other girls however had a self-esteem that was so frail a single comment from me could destroy it completely and permanently. (Granted: I can be very blunt) They were so scared of not being on top in a relationship everything ended up revolving around this whole power struggle. Everything became a fucking civil rights movement, and I guess just got tired of their shit and their petty mindgames.

[AssKissinger]

Yeah, but if I had to choose. Like, with a gun to my head. ]A Thunderous 'Success'[/B] - Probably NSFW!
Big Booty Classic..
[dm]70wyKFHWiP6Es6k38[/dm]

GJ

Holy Jesus that's gross.

[AssKissinger]

I've had black women call me a race traitor because I married an "other". It's also kind of hard to ignore them because they are aggressive about it.

I was trying to tell a group of black women about the grace and poise that their mother's and grandmother's possessed that they have lost, but they couldn't get it.

Damn! I completely agree with you but that's intense. Very sensitive and delicate waters you're treading in there, man. I don't know about the black ladies in Ohio but you would have to have a real set of stones to say that shit down here in the south. I don't care if you are a 6 ft 10 black guy; you shouldn't say shit like that without back up!

[sillygirl]

I spend a lot of time in Europe as well as Japan and I enjoy both places. ....

Good man!

[Takechanpoo]

Originally Posted by TsuruTsuru
but you have to admit there are some people out there who think western guys getting it on with asian chicks is wrong somehow. Some of these people are J-idiots like takechanpoo

Originally Posted by TrashGirl
Tell them all to go fuck themselves - sleep with/marry/date whomever you are attracted to... no need to justify a preference.

hehehe
At least it is ture that most of euro-american foreign students in Japan's univesities are "weird" more of less.
This is so-called "変な外人".
This fact is accepted generally by many Japanese in Japanese forum(2ch, etc).
I dont know about gaijin tourists or businessmen though.

[james]

This used to be the case in western countries too where there were very limited opportunites for a career (read survival) for women. Women had to be more acceptable for men as the alternatives were quite grim - financially as well as socially. Women were more demure and non-threatening and kept their mouths shut in order as this was the culture as well as ensuring their own lifestyle.

gone are the good ol' days eh.. (ducks and covers)

i didn't want to seem down on women or to somehow imply that it's not an issue for men. i'm certainly no great catch myself. it is hard to ignore all the largesse though.

this thread has a lot of good fuel for "debate" though. we've got gender differences/biases, race.. if only we could work religion and international disputes into it somehow..

[baka tono]

I think if someone can succeed in finding love and more good days then bad ones with anyone, especially someone from a different country and culture then I raise my glass to you. If two people can get along and they dont care what color the other persons eyes, hair, and skin are, then who gives a damn if they are black white, asian or whatever.

[FG Lurker]

I too am shocked when I visit home about the size of people - both men and women - anyone with eyes can see this. But it only seems to be the chicks that get critized for this

If you talk to guys about what they see at home of course they will talk about the heifers and beached whales... Most guys I know don't spend much time checking out other guys, fat ones or otherwise.

[maraboutslim]

Not just what they want - it is deeper than that - it is more of a case of get what they need sometimes. It is still a fact of life in Japan that often survival relates to marrying somebody who is able to support them as pay inequality and opportunity means that it is difficult for a woman in Japan to survive on her own. (I have just been interviewing new staff members and it is sad the number of unemployed single women over a certain age who cannot find decent paying jobs in this country.)

Many good points in this message. May I ask what you believe to be the reason that women must be supported by men (by either working for them or marrying them) is? Is it man's greater physical strength that has given him the advantage? Is it some other advantage the male has biologically over the female? Is it simply that men got there first through previous advantages that women believe no longer exist in the species but account for the reason men are currently in control? Or do these advantages that are keeping men in the driver's seat still exist and will never be overcome by women because of biology and therefore women are doomed to always be asking for equal treatment from men instead of their reality themselves? (I hope it's not the last one).

I've always been puzzled about why women's idea of equality in the movements of the last centuries has often centered around seeking better treatment from men in the traditional male run workplace. As opposed to say, creating their own business world or their own political institutions to rival those dominated by men. I mean, why ask men to be nice and give in and give up some of their advantage (that they either earned or took by force depending on the answers to the questions in paragraph 1), instead of simply ignoring men and getting on with their own thing?

It is of course impossible for me to understand this issue intuitively from a female perspective so it would be nice to hear some of the thoughts from our gaijin sisters on this matter.

[GomiGirl]

Many good points in this message. May I ask what you believe to be the reason that women must be supported by men (by either working for them or marrying them) is?

I am not saying that this is still the case in western countries. This is the historical picture. It is no secret there were laws preventing women from voting and from obtaining a loan as well as the cultural pressure of what was expected. This was taught and learned and enforced. Nowadays, the opportunites available are closer to equal due to the hard work of the blue stockings, suffragettes and feminists. Love them or hate them. the result has been that women have had more choices available other than being a dependant. The negatives are there too and they have been covered in earlier posts.

I've always been puzzled about why women's idea of equality in the movements of the last centuries has often centered around seeking better treatment from men in the traditional male run workplace. As opposed to say, creating their own business world or their own political institutions to rival those dominated by men.

Excellent point. I cannot speak for all women of course and I am not a member of any active movements or feminist groups but I am only interested in living together harmoniously and not looking for confrontation when faced with barriers of gender, age, race etc (yes very lofty and utopian). I would rather those barriers not be there to begin with and for all people to be judged, remunerated, employed, rewarded, punished based on their individual talents or lack there of - again not realistic and lofty but a girl can dream can't she.

But as to women taking their bats and balls and moving to Paradise Island with all the other Amazons and live in a world where the rules are set by women and for women - not very practical. For one, there are some women that I disagree with and would not like deciding the rules for me but also because I like men too. I am fortunate to work and live and be friends with very talented and interesting people - men and women and I would like to keep this around with equal opportunity and places for all. Damn I am sounding like a first year gender studies student...

But there are lots of women who are doing exactly what you suggest - in Tokyo I can think of quite a few examples - Caroline Pover and her Being-a-Broad empire of publishing, social events, business support and head-hunters which is by women and for women - especially international women in Japan. I think she sets a good example of supporting women without blindly discriminating against talent of any gender/race etc.

The only analogy I can think of is the one of living as a foreigner in Tokyo. The odds are not in my favour, legally and culturally but that said there are still lots of good things here that I enjoy and these outweigh any negative aspects of discrimination that occassionally pop up - not being able to vote, not being able to get a loan (see a pattern here?). I don't go looking for injustices for foreigners here but if they happen, it would be nice to have some recourse. Activists and law suits are slowly changing the opportunities available to foreigners here but there is still a way to go.. in the meantime there is still enough of a good life to be had so that I don't need to be bitter and complaining all the time.

Am rambling now - so will shut up.

[Takechanpoo]

I admit facing at truth is something difficult.
but most of Euro-American guys Datiing Asian women only are nothing but losers.
This is a truth unfortunately.
That's it.

[Iraira]

I admit facing at truth is something difficult.
but most of Euro-American guys Datiing Asian women only are nothing but losers.
This is a truth unfortunately.
That's it.

and what is your excuse?

[Tsuru]

I admit facing at truth is something difficult.
but most of Euro-American guys Datiing Asian women only are nothing but losers.
This is a truth unfortunately.
That's it.

Can I ask you something real quick? You ramble on about western guys flocking to Japan to find what they're after, but what do you think about Japanese women leaving Nippon in droves because they are not interested in Japanese men?

[Spellbound]

Wow, so many stereotypes in so little a space.

There's nothing special about Asian women. NOTHING. Cater to the male ego? Bah. That's not a rule, not by far. You happen to have found Japanese girls that want to act all bouncy and cute for you. Grats! Give me an anime convention and 20 minutes and I'll get you a room full of them. Failing that, give me a week and a Barnes & Noble bookstore, or anyplace else that sells manga.

Japanese society is more patriarchal. The common belief that many things in Japan such as fashion and lifestyle are 20 years behind America is, in some cases, true. Percentage-wise there are more housewives in Japan than in America. You can see it, too, in everyday life - wives giving the one empty seat in the train to their husbands, rather than the other way around [which is sadly not seen as often, even in America, as I think it should be]. Women work more commonly in service industries [your bank teller, information desks, elevator girls, etc.], while men do more "manly" jobs. There is of course mixing - it's a developed country, you ARE likely to get a male massage therapist or a male bank teller from time to time, but that's the way things are.

Now let's talk about looks. Nothing special about Japanese people, nothing at all. No, they do not have a genetic advantage in terms of weight loss, sorry. They gain and lose at the rate of anyone else, barring those with health problems. They do generally breed smaller - while there are of course short Europeans and ridiulously tall Japanese people, and as you walk around Tokyo there's plenty of people of "normal" height, there just happens to be more smaller people in Japan.

So what's going on? Are Americans lazy asses? No. As a rule, no. Let's look at lifestyles. Japanese people sure can walk to the station. In fact that's all the exercise most of them ever get, as they are JUST AS LAZY as anyone else. Why should you expect an American office worker to go to the gym? They often work just as hard as Japanese people, and have the same amount of free time in their daily life: ie. none. You can, if you want, say they are more overweight than their Japanese counterparts because "at least the Japanese walk everywhere instead of sitting their fat asses in cars". Got news for you: Japan's a smaller place. If it was feasible to walk places in America or to take public transportation [which many big cities, such as Houston, are SORELY lacking in], more people would. Everything in America is more spread out [admittedly, because it can be] and people HAVE to take cars places.

I'm sick and tired of people thinking Japanese people are "better". Congrats, you took a picture of a hot French chick and a large American woman. Let's go find the reverse shall we? There's plenty of overweight people in France and there's plenty - PLENTY - of "hot, slender, sexy" women in America. "There's more fat people in America than in Japan or France" there's more PEOPLE in America than either of those places, of course you'd see more! People have an overactive imagination when it comes to weight, too. The people who said that video of the black girl dancing was "disgusting" - sure, you can have your opinion. But I'm willing to bet you that girl is hardly overweight, and certainly isn't obese. I find most Japanese girls to be too damn skinny - and they want to lose MORE weight! Bones are not sexy! Bones do not make curves! The ideal female figure is an hourglass, formed from her chest, hips and waist. If they skinny up, the hourglass is barely there. I see more figure on a woman 150lbs than I do on anyone 100 or 110, whereas half of you people would just call her "fat".

Japan has fat, ugly, materialistic, bitchy, self-righteous girls just as it has your pretty, cute, slender, selfless, submissive types too - and both of those are represented equally in America and Europe.

Not a DAMN thing Japanese girls have going for them that Americans can't match, and vice versa.

/rant off

[Samurai_Jerk]

Wow, so many stereotypes in so little a space.

There's nothing special about Asian women. NOTHING. Cater to the male ego? Bah. That's not a rule, not by far. You happen to have found Japanese girls that want to act all bouncy and cute for you. Grats! Give me an anime convention and 20 minutes and I'll get you a room full of them. Failing that, give me a week and a Barnes & Noble bookstore, or anyplace else that sells manga.

Japanese society is more patriarchal. The common belief that many things in Japan such as fashion and lifestyle are 20 years behind America is, in some cases, true. Percentage-wise there are more housewives in Japan than in America. You can see it, too, in everyday life - wives giving the one empty seat in the train to their husbands, rather than the other way around [which is sadly not seen as often, even in America, as I think it should be]. Women work more commonly in service industries [your bank teller, information desks, elevator girls, etc.], while men do more "manly" jobs. There is of course mixing - it's a developed country, you ARE likely to get a male massage therapist or a male bank teller from time to time, but that's the way things are.

Now let's talk about looks. Nothing special about Japanese people, nothing at all. No, they do not have a genetic advantage in terms of weight loss, sorry. They gain and lose at the rate of anyone else, barring those with health problems. They do generally breed smaller - while there are of course short Europeans and ridiulously tall Japanese people, and as you walk around Tokyo there's plenty of people of "normal" height, there just happens to be more smaller people in Japan.

So what's going on? Are Americans lazy asses? No. As a rule, no. Let's look at lifestyles. Japanese people sure can walk to the station. In fact that's all the exercise most of them ever get, as they are JUST AS LAZY as anyone else. Why should you expect an American office worker to go to the gym? They often work just as hard as Japanese people, and have the same amount of free time in their daily life: ie. none. You can, if you want, say they are more overweight than their Japanese counterparts because "at least the Japanese walk everywhere instead of sitting their fat asses in cars". Got news for you: Japan's a smaller place. If it was feasible to walk places in America or to take public transportation [which many big cities, such as Houston, are SORELY lacking in], more people would. Everything in America is more spread out [admittedly, because it can be] and people HAVE to take cars places.

I'm sick and tired of people thinking Japanese people are "better". Congrats, you took a picture of a hot French chick and a large American woman. Let's go find the reverse shall we? There's plenty of overweight people in France and there's plenty - PLENTY - of "hot, slender, sexy" women in America. "There's more fat people in America than in Japan or France" there's more PEOPLE in America than either of those places, of course you'd see more! People have an overactive imagination when it comes to weight, too. The people who said that video of the black girl dancing was "disgusting" - sure, you can have your opinion. But I'm willing to bet you that girl is hardly overweight, and certainly isn't obese. I find most Japanese girls to be too damn skinny - and they want to lose MORE weight! Bones are not sexy! Bones do not make curves! The ideal female figure is an hourglass, formed from her chest, hips and waist. If they skinny up, the hourglass is barely there. I see more figure on a woman 150lbs than I do on anyone 100 or 110, whereas half of you people would just call her "fat".

Japan has fat, ugly, materialistic, bitchy, self-righteous girls just as it has your pretty, cute, slender, selfless, submissive types too - and both of those are represented equally in America and Europe.

Not a DAMN thing Japanese girls have going for them that Americans can't match, and vice versa.

/rant off

Congrats! You're an idiot and a chubby chaser!

You can search the archives on here and see that I'm in no way sold on the beauty, charm, and allure of Japanese women. However, to pretend like everyone in the world is the same and there are no differences in the way the sexes relate to each other in different cultures is just just a severe case of having your head up your ass.

And Americans, including myself, are a bunch fo fat asses. The main reason is that we were the first nation to stop eating real food and switch to processed garbage thanks in large part to mothers leaving the home to work and not having the time to cook a decent meal for their kids. That, and kids stopped playing outside and started sitting around all day watching TV and playing video games.

But don't worry, the rest of the world seems to be following our lead to processed food hell!

[AssKissinger]

Welcome to FG Spellbound. Are you a man or a woman?

There's nothing special about Asian women.

I think their pussies are tighter.

Percentage-wise there are more housewives in Japan than in America.

Is that good or bad?

Now let's talk about looks. Nothing special about Japanese people, nothing at all.

I like the black hair and the oriental eyes. Gives me a hard-on!

Are Americans lazy asses? No.

Speak for yourself.

see more figure on a woman 150lbs than I do on anyone 100 or 110, whereas half of you people would just call her "fat".

I fucked some porkers in college and told myself it was the bomb. But when I got to fucking skinny J-Chicks I kicked that sorry shit to the curb.

Like SJ says not all people are the same.

[Takechanpoo]

Originally posted by Irairaand what is your excuse?

hehehe
you think I am a pitiful loser ?
Dont worry, my sisiter.
I am one of puchi stock upstart in 2004 and 2005.
pupupu

Originally posted by TsuruCan I ask you something real quick? You ramble on about western guys flocking to Japan to find what they're after, but what do you think about Japanese women leaving Nippon in droves because they are not interested in Japanese men?

I love caucasian female or other race than J-girls.
so I dont mind some J-girls escaping from J-boys.
Let it be.

[Tsuru]

Let it be.

Glad we can agree on that one.

In case you are a little slow upstairs, let me explain what you should do now: this post pretty much invalidated all your previous ramblings about gaijin coming in your country, so the best thing to do for you now is shut the hell up.