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Postby GuyJean » Tue Apr 08, 2003 8:03 am

Did anyone see the BBC report on the friendly fire incident that killed 18 in northern Iraq? They showed it on ABC and BBC yesterday... shocking.

Blood was dripping on the camera lens from a non-fatal head wound inflicted on the camera man; soldiers scambling to raise the American flag and frantically calling in to stop another round of bombing; ammunition 'cooking off' and shooting everywhere; debris scattered all over the road; the reporters pants shredded from the blast..

Is it online anywhere? I checked ABC and BBC, but nothing.

I found some still frames from the report:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/photo_gallery/2922757.stm

It really captured the horrors of war.. And it was 'friendly fire'.. :(

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Postby bluepxl » Tue Apr 08, 2003 10:41 am

wow.. that is pretty jacked up.. how sad
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Postby Hana_Mizu » Tue Apr 08, 2003 11:26 am

Hope the Americans don't fire on my mate, he'd probably fire back :!:

By the way, any Brits on this forum? Are any of you ex-TA like myself? A mate of mine back in UK (also ex-TA) says that he's received a letter stating that if any more troops are sent to the Gulf, ex-TAs could be asked to rejoin and be part of "homeland defence" 8O He's pulling my leg right :!: :?:
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Postby kotatsuneko » Tue Apr 08, 2003 12:01 pm

yeh, one of my cousins from lancashire is fighting there right now in the navy, his ship got fired on in the gulf war by the americans, but not by the iraqis..

poor bloody sissons and his crew.. that report was something else..

who the fuck trains the american army? fuckwits inc?
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Re: 'Friendly' Fire... :(

Postby GomiGirl » Tue Apr 08, 2003 12:27 pm

GuyJean wrote:Did anyone see the BBC report on the friendly fire incident that killed 18 in northern Iraq? They showed it on ABC and BBC yesterday... shocking.


Yep I saw it.. the reporters couldn't believe that it happened.. one guy had his clothes burnt of from the blast. Apparantly, one of the US special forces guys in the group called in the air strike to support them but the pilot hit them instead thinking they were the targets.

The blood on the camera was frightening as it wasn't a special effect....
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Postby Resolute Optimist » Thu Apr 10, 2003 2:43 am

Kots, your cousin is from Lancashire!!! I lived there until the age of 10! (sorry bit of nostalgia :) )

I don't really know how I feel about showing those pictures... Everyone I know watches the news while having dinner, and we have all learnt to be respectably shocked for 10 minutes and then pass the salt... You may come back to it later, hence the beginning of this thread, but I think that for most of us have just learnt how to integrate disasters between courses...
And I wonder what it means to people? Does it make war more real to us? I've been brought up in an environnement where we feel we can control everything. The day you lose control, the world you believed you were living in disappears. War gets no realer to those who aren't directly or indirectly involved than a few horrifying pictures on a screen. I think that you can only begin to try to fathom what living in a warzone COULD be like when you have experienced true helplessness in the face of death.
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Postby cstaylor » Thu Apr 10, 2003 11:23 am

I wonder if a pilot can get a visual, moving at those speeds... :?:
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Postby GuyJean » Thu Apr 10, 2003 11:34 am

cstaylor wrote:I wonder if a pilot can get a visual, moving at those speeds... :?:

That's a good question, but I would think so.. I was surprised the convoy was mistaken because there were 4 or 5 big white SUV's, the Special Ops use, traveling with the Kurdish trucks.. I think those would be pretty easy to spot.

What about the journalists in Baghdad? It's the first video I've seen where a tank is firing DIRECTLY at the camera. I'm still curious why the Palestine hotel was fired upon.. Al Jezira, I wasn't so surprised. Their office is next door to the Information Ministry..

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Postby cstaylor » Thu Apr 10, 2003 11:35 am

I think they made a mistake (which is why they only fired one round at the hotel). :?:
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Postby Steve Bildermann » Thu Apr 10, 2003 12:05 pm

cstaylor wrote:I think they made a mistake (which is why they only fired one round at the hotel). :?:

Generally speaking with a 120MM gun a single shell to a fixed unprotected target (ie a building) is enough
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Postby cstaylor » Thu Apr 10, 2003 12:11 pm

Not a building with a steel-reinforced structure like a hotel. The hotel is still standing right? :!:
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Postby Steve Bildermann » Thu Apr 10, 2003 12:19 pm

Agreed. Tanks are not intended for attacking hotels.

Purpose of tanks
(warning very graphic - very disturbing)

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Postby cstaylor » Thu Apr 10, 2003 12:21 pm

Yuck. Well, their original purpose was to break through no-man's land in the first world war... kind of like a modern day suit of armor for infantry.
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Postby Gaisaradatsuraku! » Thu Apr 10, 2003 2:18 pm

kotatsuneko wrote:yeh, one of my cousins from lancashire is fighting there right now in the navy, his ship got fired on in the gulf war by the americans, but not by the iraqis..

poor bloody sissons and his crew.. that report was something else..

who the fuck trains the american army? fuckwits inc?


We are the overwhelming force over there. This shit is going to happen. Hasn't happened to the Brits because their role is frankly quite limited (though their support is welcome).
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Postby Gaisaradatsuraku! » Thu Apr 10, 2003 2:19 pm

GuyJean wrote:
cstaylor wrote:I wonder if a pilot can get a visual, moving at those speeds... :?:

That's a good question, but I would think so.. I was surprised the convoy was mistaken because there were 4 or 5 big white SUV's, the Special Ops use, traveling with the Kurdish trucks.. I think those would be pretty easy to spot.

What about the journalists in Baghdad? It's the first video I've seen where a tank is firing DIRECTLY at the camera. I'm still curious why the Palestine hotel was fired upon.. Al Jezira, I wasn't so surprised. Their office is next door to the Information Ministry..

GJ


They fired at the hotel because someone in the hotel was firing at them.
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Postby Steve Bildermann » Thu Apr 10, 2003 2:45 pm

kotatsuneko wrote:yeh, one of my cousins from lancashire is fighting there right now in the navy, his ship got fired on in the gulf war by the americans, but not by the iraqis..

poor bloody sissons and his crew.. that report was something else..

who the fuck trains the american army? fuckwits inc?

Actually much of the urban policing and special ops training done by US special forces is taught by British SAS and SBS officers.
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Postby Gaisaradatsuraku! » Thu Apr 10, 2003 3:13 pm

Steve Bildermann wrote:
kotatsuneko wrote:yeh, one of my cousins from lancashire is fighting there right now in the navy, his ship got fired on in the gulf war by the americans, but not by the iraqis..

poor bloody sissons and his crew.. that report was something else..

who the fuck trains the american army? fuckwits inc?

Actually much of the urban policing and special ops training done by US special forces is taught by British SAS and SBS officers.


Okay, that splains it. Any other questions Kotatsustank?
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Postby American Oyaji » Thu Apr 10, 2003 5:47 pm

Steve...

Graphic doesnt describe that picture...

You dont really realize what you are looking at until you notice the arm, and then the tread marks in the flattened flesh.
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Postby Resolute Optimist » Thu Apr 10, 2003 6:43 pm

You dont really realize what you are looking at until you notice the arm, and then the tread marks in the flattened flesh.

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Postby American Oyaji » Fri Apr 11, 2003 9:39 pm

You got over that pretty quick.

Here's the salt.
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Postby Resolute Optimist » Fri Apr 11, 2003 10:26 pm

You got over that pretty quick.


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