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Postby Mulboyne » Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:23 am

[floatr]Image[/floatr]Washington Post: Japan's Warp-Speed Ride to Internet Future
Americans invented the Internet, but the Japanese are running away with it. Broadband service here is eight to 30 times as fast as in the United States -- and considerably cheaper. Japan has the world's fastest Internet connections, delivering more data at a lower cost than anywhere else, recent studies show. Accelerating broadband speed in this country -- as well as in South Korea and much of Europe -- is pushing open doors to Internet innovation that are likely to remain closed for years to come in much of the United States. "Obviously, without the competition, we would not have done all this at this pace," said Hideki Ohmichi, NTT's senior manager for public relations. His company now offers speeds on fiber of up to 100 megabits per second -- 17 times as fast as the top speed generally available from U.S. cable. About 8.8 million Japanese homes have fiber lines -- roughly nine times the number in the United States...Japan's lead in speed is worrisome because it will shift Internet innovation away from the United States, warns Vinton G. Cerf, a vice president at Google, who is widely credited with helping to invent some of the Internet's basic architecture. "Once you have very high speeds, I guarantee that people will figure out things to do with it that they haven't done before," he said...more...
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Postby james » Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:48 am

that japan has closed the gap and pulled ahead in terms of bandwidth. it's quite evident - even in my podunk farming village out in the middle of nowhere, shimane, i have fibre to the home. 9 years ago, the best i could do was 33.6 dialup and it was infuriatingly expensive too. languished at isdn for a good 4 or 5 years, then finally a few years ago we got dsl and i was within about 700m of the access point. last year we we got fibre and it's great. i'd say for most sites though, you won't notice a difference. all the downstream won't do you any good if the servers are slow or bogged down.

however, i don't think it's all about the bandwidth, but what you do with it. the simple fact of the matter is that even now, it's easier for me to do things like my canadian banking than to do my banking for my local bank here. they want \3,000 a month for internet banking and it’s practically useless (so i didn't bother). japanese web pages, even after all these years are still lamentable for the most part, cluttered and ill-conceived. it's gotten better, but my overall impression is that people and business here for the most part really have no clue what all this bandwidth is for.
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Postby Doctor Stop » Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:01 am

james wrote:it's gotten better, but my overall impression is that people and business here for the most part really have no clue what all this bandwidth is for.
Bukkake porn videos.
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Postby Takechanpoo » Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:04 am

Americans invented the Internet, but the Japanese are running away with it.

Dickhead Uncle Sam have been infatuated with war and finace.
Blame your master, silly reporter.
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Postby Big Booger » Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:07 am

I have had NTT FLETS Fiber 100 plan for about 4 years now. I am dreading the day I have to return to fucking DSL or Cable with speeds crawling at 3mbs... or less... fuck I hate the lack of fiber in the US... if you are lucky in the states you can get Verizon FiOS:

FASTUp to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps
A $99 value -
1st month FREE
Just $29.99/mo. for months 2-7
$39.99ImageFASTERUp to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps
A $109 value -
1st month FREE
Just $39.99/mo. for months 2-7
$49.99ImageFASTESTUp to 30 Mbps/5 Mbps
1st month FREE
$179.95

But look at those fucking shit speeds and those fucking prices... what a fucking joke.
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Postby 6810 » Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:09 am

Takechanpoo wrote:Dickhead Uncle Sam have been infatuated with war and finace.
Blame your master, silly reporter.


Takepoo! Being caused... I understand recently the fact that you say something whose it is strange for I mostly to agree, it is. I agree here!
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Postby dimwit » Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:31 am

When I was in Canada a few weeks ago, I give up using the internet for anything that had video. You might as well go out get a cup of tea and read the paper before you get anything.
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Postby IkemenTommy » Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:40 am

Doctor Stop wrote:Bukkake porn videos.

Besides the bukkake porn video, I wonder what most people in Japan use all this bandwidth for. Definitely not whole lot of online gaming here though SKorea dominates that.
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Postby Charles » Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:04 am

Oh you kids with your fancy broadbands, we didn't have none of that when I was your age. We had 300 baud acoustic coupler modems, hooked up to 2MHz 8080 processors like this:

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And we LIKED it.

Seriously though, this is a day I have waited and worked for, for 15 years. That is a picture of my just-restored Sol-20 microcomputer. I finally obtained the parts to restore my first computer, I built it from a kit in 1976, I really did have a 300 baud acoustic coupler modem. I have hunted for restoration parts for many years, I finally found them, and today is the day, I spent all day repairing it and it is back up and running. I could actually connect to the internet with this machine, but only at 1200 baud max. No graphics though, text only. Ah, I remember the text-only internet. Those were the good old days.
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Postby GomiGirl » Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:02 pm

Yes well some of us keep up with the times!! :p
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Postby Charles » Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:24 pm

GomiGirl wrote:Yes well some of us keep up with the times!! :p

Yes well what computer were you using in 1976?

Seriously, "retrocomputing" is the new hotness. Opening a unix terminal window on your desktop computer is so 2006. The new cool thing to do is find your oldest vintage computer, get it back in running condition, and hook up a serial cable so you can run it as a REAL terminal.

I hooked my old computer up to my TV to test the video output, and I suddenly realized that the character generator in the TV that puts up the channel numbers probably has more computer power than my Sol's 8080A processor. I think it's hilarious that I'm about to download archived Sol programs from an FTP site over broadband with my Mac Quad G5, then send them over a 1200 baud serial port to the Sol. My newest, fastest computer will become nothing more than a dumb peripheral to the old Sol, a modern replacement for loading programs from cassette tapes.
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Postby Greji » Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:13 pm

Charles wrote:Yes well what computer were you using in 1976?


Only the best! Oh well, that was 89!
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Postby Doctor Stop » Fri Aug 31, 2007 12:09 am

IkemenTommy wrote:Besides the bukkake porn video, I wonder what most people in Japan use all this bandwidth for.
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Postby DrP » Fri Aug 31, 2007 12:27 am

The SOL was a nice box. I started out on an Altair then went from there to Z-80's. My retro box of choice is my trusty Compaq CPM. No, not the oldest, but I still use it for wordpro and occasionally drag it along as my 'laptop'... hehe. Best thing is that I have several 'Ms' steel kbs and love the 'clak clak clak' that annoys my Japanese coworkers. When they got me a new Lets Note - I did the 'Lets Not' and installed Unix. Bye bye Vista"!
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Postby IkemenTommy » Fri Aug 31, 2007 12:43 am

Doctor Stop wrote:Winny?

Uh oh.. absolutely no mention of that word on here. They will censor you up the ass.
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Postby james » Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:07 am

IkemenTommy wrote:Uh oh.. absolutely no mention of that word on here. They will censor you up the ass.


cat's outta the bag now..

i have a particular nostalgia for:

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and:

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Postby IkemenTommy » Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:19 pm

What are those joystick control knobs used for? Predecessor to the mouse? :rofl:
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Postby 2triky » Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:09 pm

IkemenTommy wrote:What are those joystick control knobs used for? Predecessor to the mouse? :rofl:

Those are the power buttons for the controllers.
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Postby james » Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:03 pm

IkemenTommy wrote:What are those joystick control knobs used for? Predecessor to the mouse? :rofl:


lol, nothing in particular. coleco was known for it's absolutely atrocious controllers. the numeric keypad was often used in games and at the game menu select screen. there were various after-market adaptors that allowed one to hook up the coleco joystick and another controller at the same time so that you could use the keypad when needed and then a decent controller any other time.
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Postby FG Lurker » Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:12 pm

I've been through more computers than I care to keep track of. Started with a TI99/4a, and then 2 or 3 Apple II clones. Later came an Atari 520 ST with various upgrades and both Atari monitors. Then a Mac Plus that I later added a 20MB HDD to. After that I moved to Windows. I've also used VAX/VMS (including a 250 VUP cluster in the early 90s), IBM mainframes (1TB of storage, also in the early 90s), and a bit of *nix here and there.

I find emulation of old platforms vaguely interesting but not enough so to try anything besides MAME. I sure as hell don't want retro hardware around! I have enough crap to deal with without adding that to the mix.
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Postby GomiGirl » Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:46 pm

Charles wrote:Yes well what computer were you using in 1976?


Honey, I was in kindergarten learning how to read in 1976.

This was however around the time my brother and I wer playing with our first mobile phones.. two empty baked bean tins joined by a bit of string. :D

We didn't even have a phone in our house at this stage. We lived way out in rural NSW.
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Postby IkemenTommy » Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:10 am

Not only does Japan have the fastest speed available, it offers at one of the lowest cost/Mbps.
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Postby FG Lurker » Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:22 pm

The speed and price of Internet in Japan is unbeatable. I can get 1Gbps up/down fibre for 9000yen/month (including provider fees etc). Went with 100Mbps as my PCI-based pfsense firewall wouldn't be able to keep up with gig speeds...!

(pfsense is great as besides being a proper firewall it supports VPN connections from both Windows machines and from the iPhone. :) )
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Postby Mike Oxlong » Mon Jun 21, 2010 2:28 pm

Speedtest.net is publishing speed test results of internet connections from around the world starting today (May 25th).

Top of the list for download speeds is South Korea at 33.91Mb/s. South Korea also holds the top spot for upload speeds 17.95Mb/s. This is not unexpected considering its place in the technology world. North Korea did not feature in the 178 country list at all, which is saying something.

A surprise second place on both fronts is Latvia, with 24.07Mb/s download speed and 12.68Mb/s upload speed. The finds make more sense when we realise just how small Latvia is, with a population of just over two million, making internet coverage an easier feat to achieve. It also most likely spent a lot on infrastructure during the boom years and the country has good coverage from Scandinavian telecommunications operators TeliaSonera, Telenor and Tele2.

Another surprise for third place is the Republic of Moldova with 21.32Mb/s download speed. Moldova is a bit like Latvia in terms of country side and population, so the same things apply there. The Republic of Moldova slumped to number 11 for uploads, however, at 7.11Mb/s.

A non-surprising top player is Japan at fourth place for downloads and third place for uploads. Download speed was 20.43Mb/s and upload speed was 11.10Mb/s. Considering how tech heavy Japan is we would have expected it to have been even higher on the list, perhaps even grappling for first place with South Korea.

Most of the next 30 odd countries on the list were European, but the United Kingdom was all the way down at 35 for download speeds at 7.87Mb/s and an abyssmal 62 for uploads at 1.0Mb/s. Considering the United Kingdom has a population of around 60 million the results are probably not that surprising since the population is spread out over a reasonably big area. A lot of countryside areas are simply not cost-effective places to roll out fibre optic lines.

Read more: http://www.techeye.net/internet/speedtest-releases-global-internet-speeds#ixzz0rSjpPkfZ
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