Dead Ball (JPN Baseball Thread)

[kamome]

That's the point! "Reported statements" and "known links". This has been a media feast from the onset, because Bonds had not treated reporters with the "proper respect" they demand, if not just shunning them. So it has turned into an agenda with them to question everything about him.



You're wrong Bird, his head was "blown to a circumference of a beach ball" before this even started. But, spiking at that age would not even have been a question if this hadn't have been "blown" out by the press with their dislike for Bonds. Many players do play well at age and even "spike" late. But, first of all, Bonds is not very likeable as you can see from the people this board, but to say that all of what he has done is because of the roids without proof is still a bit overboard on a guy that is still playing reasonable ball and not been convicted of doing anything.

When you can prove he was on roids beyond some newspaper articles, not just "everybody believes", which is what the news is selling, I'll buy your "Barry Bonds = *".

Hell, in the old days of baseball before training was as strict as it is now, it was uppers to get you running for the day and barbs to kill all the pains from the knicks and bumps. But the stars in those days did not develop many assholes like Bonds is (or as he is at least portrayed) and nobody cared, so it never got reported anywhere.

For me at least, it doesn't matter if Bonds is an asshole or not (I stated this earlier). In fact, I always thought he was a great player. So the whole "Bonds is an asshole and everyone just wants to get back at him" argument is a fallacy as far as I'm concerned.

I think most people were duped into idolizing him because he was achieving amazing records in his late thirties solely due to his natural athletic prowess. It's no wonder that the public is angry - Bonds (and Palmeiro and Canseco and Macguire) betrayed their trust. I doubt the resentment has anything to do with Bonds' personality.

Boothe, I think the Bonds case is really just a convenient cover for you to advocate mistrust of the so-called "MSM". Like your political posts claiming that the media have a liberal bias and therefore should not be trusted, you are now claiming that the media have an anti-Bonds bias and should not be trusted.

You're trying to make Barry Bonds the sports equivalent of George W. Bush - martyrs of public opinion at the hands of the big, biased media. That argument has no legs. Where is the proof that the media are out to get these people? What purpose would that serve? It makes no sense.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I think most people were duped into idolizing him because he was achieving amazing records in his late thirties solely due to his natural athletic prowess. It's no wonder that the public is angry - Bonds (and Palmeiro and Canseco and Macguire) betrayed their trust. I doubt the resentment has anything to do with Bonds' personality.

People should get over themselves. If all of their heroes stopped taking every banned performance enhancing substance tomorrow, sports would get a lot more boring. Even when MacGuire admitted to taking something that was neither illegal nor banned, people were critical of that. The main problem is the public invests so much emotionally into a bunch of stupid games.

[Greji]

Boothe, I think the Bonds case is really just a convenient cover for you to advocate mistrust of the so-called "MSM". Like your political posts claiming that the media have a liberal bias and therefore should not be trusted, you are now claiming that the media have an anti-Bonds bias and should not be trusted.

Sounds good to me!

You're trying to make Barry Bonds the sports equivalent of George W. Bush - martyrs of public opinion at the hands of the big, biased media. That argument has no legs. Where is the proof that the media are out to get these people? What purpose would that serve? It makes no sense.

Ah, the old Bird in a Bush ploy. I wondered how long it would take you to get there. I suppose that screaming lib GJ will want to make a relief appearance to back you up on that. I also imagine that everybody believes along with you that there is no bias in the media? Therefore it must be a mere figment of my imagination alone.

[kamome]

Ah, the old Bird in a Bush ploy. I wondered how long it would take you to get there. I suppose that screaming lib GJ will want to make a relief appearance to back you up on that. I also imagine that everybody believes along with you that there is no bias in the media? Therefore it must be a mere figment of my imagination alone.

Well, you've managed to cite a survey showing how the internet audience believes there is a bias in the media - this isn't proof of bias, by the way. But even acknowledging overall bias in the media, where is the proof of a vendetta by media organizations against Barry Bonds? That is one of the most outrageous claims you've made on here, gb!*

SJ: Why do you think sports would get boring if athletes stopped taking banned substances? Aren't pro athletes doing their thing on the field exciting enough?


* Other than the claim that GJ never buys - I have confirmed reports that he bought a pint or two when you weren't looking!

[American Oyaji]

Kamome - scandals are money for news organizations. If they don't have a real one, they'll use misdirection to create the appearance of one.

1. No failed drug tests.
2. No subpeonas.
3. No suspensions.

Bird, you want evidence of media bias. How about evidence of Bonds guilt?
You yourself have swalled the media line and are hooked through the nose.
There aint no evidence against bonds. They've tried for the last two years to stick some sort of charge against him and they have not done it.

So you want evidence of a media bias before you'll believe there is one, but you'll accept that same medias spin as proof of Bond's guilt.

That makes no sense man. You've swallowed the proof.

[Greji]

* Other than the claim that GJ never buys - I have confirmed reports that he bought a pint or two when you weren't looking!

Speaking of outragous lies Bird... I demand proof. Dates, times and places...
Confirmation by Roppongi hanshokuhimba and Nigerian hawkers are not admissable..

[kamome]

Kamome - scandals are money for news organizations. If they don't have a real one, they'll use misdirection to create the appearance of one.

1. No failed drug tests.
2. No subpeonas.
3. No suspensions.

Bird, you want evidence of media bias. How about evidence of Bonds guilt?
You yourself have swalled the media line and are hooked through the nose.
There aint no evidence against bonds. They've tried for the last two years to stick some sort of charge against him and they have not done it.

So you want evidence of a media bias before you'll believe there is one, but you'll accept that same medias spin as proof of Bond's guilt.

That makes no sense man. You've swallowed the proof.

It's very convenient to dismiss the media as "biased" if you don't like the news they're reporting. But where is the evidence that the media is out to attack Bonds because they don't like him? Boothe said earlier that this whole thing is happening because the media has some kind of vendetta against Bonds. That's pure hogwash.

[Greji]

It's very convenient to dismiss the media as "biased" if you don't like the news they're reporting. But where is the evidence that the media is out to attack Bonds because they don't like him? Boothe said earlier that this whole thing is happening because the media has some kind of vendetta against Bonds. That's pure hogwash.

That's the point Bird. Turn it around. Where is the evidence that he has done something wrong? They are convicting him without it and you're buying off on it.

If they come up with the real deal on Bonds, fine. Fry him and dry him. But they haven't got anything yet and the media has everyone putting up the "*" already.

Besides it ain't "Hogwash", if you'd have said goatwash, maybe we can talk...I've been out of hogs for some time now!

[Samurai_Jerk]

SJ: Why do you think sports would get boring if athletes stopped taking banned substances? Aren't pro athletes doing their thing on the field exciting enough?

For me, no. I find pretty much any sport that doesn't involved some sort of ring and fighting boring as hell.

I guess "a lot more boring" is an exaggeration. However, athletes wouldn't run as fast, jump as high, or throw the ball as far. And some sport like the Tour de France would definitely be very different.

[Takechanpoo]

Compared to this, Matsuzaka's gyroball is shit.

[kamome]

Did the ump call that a strike??! That pitch was outside.

[AssKissinger]

I just watched Japan beat Curacao ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cura%C3%A7ao ) to qualify for the final game of the Little League World Series. This kid named Kanekubo smacked a homer in the bottom of the 9th to win the game! Those Japanese kids played with so much heart and expert fundamentals it was a real pleasure to see.

[maraboutslim]

I watched that, too! Japan was down 4-3 in the bottom of the 6th (little league only plays 6 innings so yes, it was like the bottom of the 9th) and they loaded the bases and the kid smacked one over the center field fence to win it! Nice job.

[AssKissinger]

bottom of the 6th

Forgot about that.

[AssKissinger]

A team from Georgia won today, winning the entire thing.

[Hawaiibadboy]

U.S.A!!!
Happy to see this is a pattern recently. We were getting our asses kicked for quite a while there.


U.S.A U.S.A!!!!!!

[Mulboyne]

Betting Fool:

...Several players on the Japan team, stoic and uber serious throughout most of the tourney, broke down into tears, falling to the turf in crushing disappointment after Georgia won on a walk-off homer. And ABC was right in their faces to record every last tear. The Georgia kids tried their best to console the shattered Japanese, hugging and saying "Dude, seriously. It's cool. Like, you're all better 'n us at math and stuff." This did not work. They wept harder and deeper. The Japanese kids' parents, who did this odd rhythmic chanting -- with fans! -- throughout each game will not be invited to the neighborhood bridge parties. Georgia parents were more "Kick they damn ass!" The Japanese players who didn't perform at 100 percent efficiency will report directly to Fundamentals Camp for a week of "First-and-Third Defensive Alignments" followed by a week of "The Bunt: Use it, choose it, abuse it." What will happen to the Japan coach? I don't want to think about it, but I know the guy needs to loosen up a little...

[Behan]

Interesting article. Sounds like they could improve the tournament quite a bit.

[AssKissinger]

I think it's really great as it is.

The Japanese moms chanted the whole time whenever the J-kids were up to bat. It doesn't really bother me; I remember this from Carp games but don't they ever want to pay attention to the game instead? Plus, taking it easy during baseball is what it's all about. It's too hot for all that bullshit.

[GuyJean]

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GJ

[Greji]

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GJ

WTF was that? Capt'n's gyro ball?

[dimwit]

From WHDH-TV Boston

Red Sox dress rookie Matsuzaka as Teletubby for trip to Toronto
TORONTO -- The Boston Red Sox didn't need an interpreter for this: With one quick wardrobe change, Daisuke Matsuzaka went from star pitcher to Teletubby.

"I didn't think there was anything that could make me laugh last night. There was," manager Terry Francona said Monday.

Many teams use a late season trip as a chance to have some fun with the rookies, dressing them in outlandish costumes that must be worn on the flight to the next city. Dice-K had to don the outfit following Sunday night's 4-3 loss to the New York Yankees at Fenway Park.

In addition to Matsuzaka, Boston's veterans dressed reliever Hideki Okajami and outfielder Jacoby Ellsbury as female pirates, pitcher Clay Buchholz as Minnie Mouse and outfielder Brandon Moss as Dorothy from "The Wizard of Oz."

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/sports/BO62342/

[Gilligan]

In the 2nd game of the poorly named Climax Series, Woods (batting fourth) makes the final out for Chunichi in the top of the 8th, and Ochiai, with a 2-run lead, decides to pull starter Kawakami before the start of the bottom of the 8th (a few batters late, but still). The reliever faces 3 batters, getting 2 men out and allowing a man to reach first. After getting the 2nd out, Ochiai brings in his closer to finish the inning.

Now Ochiai has had 2 separate chances to make the double switch so that his closer will not be the fifth batter in the top of the 9th. This is perhaps the most basic of all managerial decisions in a league that does not have a DH. And yet some how, after scoring a run and getting a runner to 1st, who should come up with two out in the top of the 9th? Chunichi's closer. A guy who looked like he hadn't held a bat in about 10 years.

Yeah, Chunichi won the game (and thank God for that), but there's NO EXCUSE for this. Especially in a league where the managers are WAY too involved in the action.

[L S]

Royals look toward Japan for manager


The Royals appear to be closing in on a choice for their new manager, and The Kansas City Star reported that Trey Hillman has emerged as a leading candidate.

Although General Manager Dayton Moore would not discuss specific candidates, the paper said the Royals are looking at someone currently managing in Japan. That could also put Terry Collins in the running.
Hillman, who has never served as a major-league manager or coach, has already decided to leave Japan after five years with the Nippon Ham Fighters, citing family considerations.
Hillman, 44, interviewed last year with Texas, San Diego and Oakland after managing the Japanese team to its first title in 44 years. He also managed for 12 years in the Yankees system before heading to Japan, leading to speculation that he might be a candidate in New York now that Joe Torre will not return in 2008. Collins, 58, was a finalist when the Royals hired Buddy Bell in May 2005. He was a major--league manager for six seasons before signing a three-year deal in 2006 with the Orix Blue Wave.

[Gilligan]

[Gilligan]

Anyone know how I can make that picture bigger?

[Kuang_Grade]

It looks like you pasted the BB thumbnail code instead of BB IMG code......go to the images tab above, copy out the BB img code under the photo in your images and edit the post and stick in the BB img code.

[GomiGirl]

Anyone know how I can make that picture bigger?

Did you upload the image? I couldn't find your uploaded images.

Rather than use the [Attach] Tags, go to your User CP and go to your attachments. Left navi - right at the end. Find the image that you have uploaded and cut and paste the [img] tags from the text field into your post.

[Gilligan]

Thanks GomiGirl and Kuang_Grade

[Behan]

The Red Sox aren't the only thing(s) she has to be proud about.