4 Marines accused in Hiroshima rape

[TennoChinko]

The convictions of the youths in the Central Park jogger case were all vacated. DNA evidence has acquitted them and someone else is now serving time for that rape.

Yes. However, it was not an "inside job" by some roving Hsaidic Jews or white prep schoolboys from the Upper East Side. It was yet another Negro who confessed to the actual rape that yielded the DNA evidence, Matias Reyes shown here

However, note the following regarding the 'exonerated' five suspects:

[quote] ---

Police and prosecutors who worked the case, including Linda Fairstein, former chief of the district attorney's sex-crimes unit, concede that the DNA evidence proves Reyes raped the jogger, whose identity is still being shielded, though she will reveal it when she publishes a book about her experience next year. But Fairstein continues to insist that the new evidence "does not exonerate the other five, who by their own admissions participated in her attack by holding her down and striking her to the ground." Reyes, now 31, said he was moved to admit his guilt after witnessing the hard time Wise was having in prison. Reyes' harrowing account of how he tracked his victim, felled her and then subdued her again after she tried to escape half naked has forced an entire city to relive that time ―]



In all probability, there will unfortunately be more (gang) rapes by US military personnel in Japan - and again, some or most involving underaged Japanese victims. And, sadly enough, without waiting for the identities of the accused, one can safely predict that the suspects in all cases will be African-American men. The long trend line is not some abnormal statistical outlier -it is reflective of a real significant problem that is apparently too politically-incorrect to mention in the US.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Tenno,

I doubt Reyes or Santana consider themselves black. Neither would most New Yorkers.

Anyway, I have a friend who's ex Army that said the same thing about crimes committed by military personnel. He said that the perpetrators were usually black. I don't know if that's true or not, but it'd be interesting to see the stats.

[AssKissinger]

If some of these black guys met up with some of those 'Super Free' kids they could start one seriously fucking wild fraternity.

[Samurai_Jerk]

BTW, Tenno, since you're obviously a racist, what's your take? Do you think black people are genetically inferior or is it a matter of growing up in a shitty environment?

[Mike Oxlong]

Waseda rugby club rapists...they black?

[TennoChinko]

Tenno,

I doubt Reyes or Santana consider themselves black. Neither would most New Yorkers.

Anyway, I have a friend who's ex Army that said the same thing about crimes committed by military personnel. He said that the perpetrators were usually black. I don't know if that's true or not, but it'd be interesting to see the stats.

I dunno about that. Certainly, in that photo, he appears to be lighter-skinned African-American but nothing unusual in NYC. Here's a photo closer to the time of his arrest (hint: the dude on the left):



I think your former Army friend and I might be in agreement there. Again, it's an unpopular politically-incorrect observation that one is not allowed to make in public.

BTW, Tenno, since you're obviously a racist, what's your take? Do you think black people are genetically inferior or is it a matter of growing up in a shitty environment?

Is that how I appear?

I'd say my beef is with today's American black culture - so that'd be closest to your choice of "growing up in a shitty environment". However, I don't accept the lame arguments that the blame goes to "The (White) Man" (eg. the so-called legacy of slavery etc.).

Responsibility, integrity and respect for one's self and others are apparently for suckers.

[xenomorph42]

I dunno about that. Certainly, in that photo, he appears to be lighter-skinned African-American but nothing unusual in NYC. Here's a photo closer to the time of his arrest (hint: the dude on the left):



I think your former Army friend and I might be in agreement there. Again, it's an unpopular politically-incorrect observation that one is not allowed to make in public.



Is that how I appear?

I'd say my beef is with today's American black culture - so that'd be closest to your choice of "growing up in a shitty environment". However, I don't accept the lame arguments that the blame goes to "The (White) Man" (eg. the so-called legacy of slavery etc.).

Responsibility, integrity and respect for one's self and others are apparently for suckers.

So what are you trying to imply...that usually statistically, blacks commit a higher percentage of rape? Are you sure about that and can you prove that?
I am so sick and tired of ignorant people trying to make this out to be a race issue! It was a crime about rape and that in itself is something abhorrent. Rape is about power, has nothing to do with sex, we all know that.
But the tone you are setting is one of suspicion and distrust of blacks seems like it to me. You should read "Joseph Graves" Race A Myth. a very good eye-opener. Responsible decent is good and healthy, but TennoChinko I think you have a real problem with race. The color of the perpetrators is not relevant to the issue, but the act and therefore should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, I`m down with that, but some of this talk is just pure nonsense, not to mention childish.
I could go on a tyrant as to crimes or rapes white men committed, but who cares, it`s not important.
Remember, underneath it all, we are all flesh and blood and by the end of the day, we are all human.

[kamome]

So what are you trying to imply...that usually statistically, blacks commit a higher percentage of rape? Are you sure about that and can you prove that?
I am so sick and tired of ignorant people trying to make this out to be a race issue! It was a crime about rape and that in itself is something abhorrent. Rape is about power, has nothing to do with sex, we all know that.
But the tone you are setting is one of suspicion and distrust of blacks seems like it to me. You should read "Joseph Graves" Race A Myth. a very good eye-opener. Responsible decent is good and healthy, but TennoChinko I think you have a real problem with race. The color of the perpetrators is not relevant to the issue, but the act and therefore should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, I`m down with that, but some of this talk is just pure nonsense, not to mention childish.
I could go on a tyrant as to crimes or rapes white men committed, but who cares, it`s not important.
Remember, underneath it all, we are all flesh and blood and by the end of the day, we are all human.

Yeah, I don't think mentioning that the perpetrators were black gets us closer to a solution. You certainly can't convict every black serviceman on the theory that past criminal acts by certain other black men in the armed forces make every other black man more likely to commit a crime in Japan.

I think it's just best to restrict all contact between the military and civilian populations where a base is located. Either don't let the guys off the base without supervision or don't let them off the base at all. While that may not stop all rapes and other crimes, it should reduce them.

[TennoChinko]

I find it puzzling that none of the posters asking us to deliberately ignore the race/ethnicity of the suspects in this case have questioned the claim on this thread that they were in fact black. You see, even as of now, details of their race have not been released in the press (!)

Yeah - I happen to know that they are all in fact black but what about the rest of you?

1. You inherently trust most or all claims on this board and/or did not bother to read other articles regarding this case.

2. Whether you'd admit it or not for fear of being labeled a bigot, you naturally assumed that if a gang-rape by a group of US servicemen were to occur in this country, the perps would be African-American.

Sad but true.

The politically-incorrect solution would be to either reduce the percentage of black servicemen sent over to Japan and/or severely restrict their off-base movements.

The politically-correct solution would be to remain completely color-blind to the problem and impose sanctions on all military personnel regardless of race, gender, marital status, age, or rank.

[Hawaiibadboy]

Amazing how 4 Americans get this kind of press but hardly anyone heard about the man in Fukuoka who was involved in over 90 rapes over 4 years.
90!!
He was arrested last year. Quick how many knew about that case?

[xenomorph42]

I find it puzzling that none of the posters asking us to deliberately ignore the race/ethnicity of the suspects in this case have questioned the claim on this thread that they were in fact black. You see, even as of now, details of their race have not been released in the press (!)

Yeah - I happen to know that they are all in fact black but what about the rest of you?

1. You inherently trust most or all claims on this board and/or did not bother to read other articles regarding this case.

2. Whether you'd admit it or not for fear of being labeled a bigot, you naturally assumed that if a gang-rape by a group of US servicemen were to occur in this country, the perps would be African-American.

Sad but true.

The politically-incorrect solution would be to either reduce the percentage of black servicemen sent over to Japan and/or severely restrict their off-base movements.

The politically-correct solution would be to remain completely color-blind to the problem and impose sanctions on all military personnel regardless of race, gender, marital status, age, or rank.

Well, you just proved my point, so let's just make the whole thing easy, instead of looking at the problem of the right solution which IS to BE color-blind, because again; people are people whether you want to acknowledge that or not. You know what you are saying is a ruse and there is absolutely no merit to your analogy.
As I said before, where are the stats? If you want to talk about stats of how many African-American males are incarcerated; you have stats of that. The reasons are various and complex, but to say, Blacks have a higher percentage of engaging in rape crimes and should be barred from coming to Japan is not only ludicrous and irresponsible(not to mention flat out racist)you just want to bloviate.
Once again, I could go on about all the atrocities that whites have committed and what will that achieve? Most serial killers were white...so does that mean, all white men are pre-positioned to go on a killing spree?? It`s nuts! That is not the issue! I will submit to you, there is a problem with service man coming here and not respecting the host country and those individuals should be held accountable for their actions NOT color, screw the color, race, gender issue!
This kind of radical, slanderous rhetoric, what your spewing is poisonous. If you have no stats that can be backed up and you are approaching this issue based on emotion, you`re going to lose credibility.

[xenomorph42]

Amazing how 4 Americans get this kind of press but hardly anyone heard about the man in Fukuoka who was involved in over 90 rapes over 4 years.
90!!
He was arrested last year. Quick how many knew about that case?

Amen, I agree with you 100%!

[TennoChinko]

Well, you just proved my point, so let's just make the whole thing easy, instead of looking at the problem of the right solution which IS to BE color-blind, because again]The reasons are various and complex,[/U] but to say, Blacks have a higher percentage of engaging in rape crimes and should be barred from coming to Japan is not only ludicrous and irresponsible(not to mention flat out racist)you just want to bloviate.
Once again, I could go on about all the atrocities that whites have committed and what will that achieve? Most serial killers were white...so does that mean, all white men are pre-positioned to go on a killing spree?? It`s nuts! That is not the issue! I will submit to you, there is a problem with service man coming here and not respecting the host country and those individuals should be held accountable for their actions NOT color, screw the color, race, gender issue!
This kind of radical, slanderous rhetoric, what your spewing is poisonous. If you have no stats that can be backed up and you are approaching this issue based on emotion, you`re going to lose credibility.

One can find whatever statistical interpretation they want to support their view. I am certain there are ones that indicate the higher likeliness of blacks to commit crimes than blacks must be due to some white or evil Zionist conspiracy. "Various and complex"? Only if you want it to be.

Here are some major findings from one study that makes sense:

Major Findings:

• Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities.

Crime Rates

• Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.

• When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.

• Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.

• The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.

Interracial Crime

• Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.

• Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.

• Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.

• Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.

Gangs

• Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.

• Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.

Incarceration

• Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million.

• Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.

I rely on similar (politically-incorrect) beliefs when I look to rent or purchase a home back in the United States. And, although they will vehemently deny it, I bet a significant percentage of 'let's be 100% colorblind!!' advocates also do so. Quietly. Or, they rationalize it into something more platable to them. Hypocrites.

The study in question can be download gratis from here and it's called THE COLOR OF CRIME: RACE CRIME AND JUSTICE IN AMERICA

[Samurai_Jerk]

I dunno about that. Certainly, in that photo, he appears to be lighter-skinned African-American but nothing unusual in NYC. Here's a photo closer to the time of his arrest (hint: the dude on the left):



I think your former Army friend and I might be in agreement there. Again, it's an unpopular politically-incorrect observation that one is not allowed to make in public.



Is that how I appear?

I'd say my beef is with today's American black culture - so that'd be closest to your choice of "growing up in a shitty environment". However, I don't accept the lame arguments that the blame goes to "The (White) Man" (eg. the so-called legacy of slavery etc.).

Responsibility, integrity and respect for one's self and others are apparently for suckers.

Reyes appears to be of African descent but he's probably Hispanic. Most black Hispanics and most NYers don't consider guys like him to be black.

Yeah, I would call you a racist. Not because of the questions you're asking, but because of your tone and the use of the word Negro in an obvious attempt to be offensive. I don't believe in hiding from the truth in an effort to protect feelings and I have no problem with trying to find out whether or not this a problem with black servicemen or servicemen in general. However, I don't think we can jump to conclusions without hard data either.

By the way, does anyone know how service men compare to the population at large when it comes to rape and other crimes?

[Big Booger]

All I care about is these fucks going to prison. It's where they belong. I don't give a shit if they are black or purple. Put em' behind bars and let them serve a very long sentence for raping this woman.

[Greji]

All I care about is these fucks going to prison. It's where they belong. I don't give a shit if they are black or purple. Put em' behind bars and let them serve a very long sentence for raping this woman.

Ahh, common BB, ya gotta give them an honest trial first, then ya hang em.

[Adhesive]

Reyes appears to be of African descent but he's probably Hispanic. Most black Hispanics and most NYers don't consider guys like him to be black.

Yeah, I would call you a racist. Not because of the questions you're asking, but because of your tone and the use of the word Negro in an obvious attempt to be offensive. I don't believe in hiding from the truth in an effort to protect feelings and I have no problem with trying to find out whether or not this a problem with black servicemen or servicemen in general. However, I don't think we can jump to conclusions without hard data either.

By the way, does anyone know how service men compare to the population at large when it comes to rape and other crimes?

I would bet that compared to young men in the general population (not the entire population at large) there are fewer rapes perpetrated by servicemen. I make this assumption based on relatively smaller victim pool that servicemen interact with over a period of time.

[unkosando]

Amazing how 4 Americans get this kind of press but hardly anyone heard about the man in Fukuoka who was involved in over 90 rapes over 4 years.
90!!
He was arrested last year. Quick how many knew about that case?

So true. This also from a country that puts stickers on DVDs to let you know that there is a rape scene in the movie. I guess it's a selling point...

[TennoChinko]

Reyes appears to be of African descent but he's probably Hispanic. Most black Hispanics and most NYers don't consider guys like him to be black.

Yeah, I would call you a racist. Not because of the questions you're asking, but because of your tone and the use of the word Negro in an obvious attempt to be offensive. I don't believe in hiding from the truth in an effort to protect feelings and I have no problem with trying to find out whether or not this a problem with black servicemen or servicemen in general. However, I don't think we can jump to conclusions without hard data either.

By the way, does anyone know how service men compare to the population at large when it comes to rape and other crimes?

So, I've used "African-American" and "black(s)" throughout my posts, yet the singular use of the word "Negro" (and my tone) mark me as a racist? Well, that's surprisingly much easier than I would have guessed!

I actually have more issues with the culture rather than the race itself - and I know that -being a culturalist if there is such a word- is still considered bigoted. And, in many cases, the culture is inextricably linked to one's race ... but it needn't be so. And, that's an important point and opportunity. For example, there are African Americans who chose to adopt more successful and conservative mainstream (yes, white) American values and culture -- but they are largely criticized from all sides as 'race traitors'. Less criticism for Asian-Americans who do the same thing -- although it depends on which area of the country you are talking about.

When you enlist in the US military, as a young man, you are afforded that very opportunity -- to adopt the values and norms of an institution that is a reflection of a largely proud {sure -- I'll say it -- white American} heritage. (I'm not denying the proud legacy of the Buffalo Soldiers or Tuskagee Airmen or the 442nd -- just talking about the dominant cultural influences). It's distressing to see that a significant percentage seem to thinking that bringing in their own homegrown gang culture and thuggery is the better option.

[Big Booger]

Ahh, common BB, ya gotta give them an honest trial first, then ya hang em.

Oh yes, the formalities. I wished hanging was the only option for execution. Well maybe firing squad if the family paid for the bullets beforehand.

[Greji]

Oh yes, the formalities. I wished hanging was the only option for execution. Well maybe firing squad if the family paid for the bullets beforehand.

There's always the stump, hammer and nail with a gasoline chaser!

[American Oyaji]

In response to TC:

All those statistics would mean a lot IF:

1. White neighborhoods were patrolled as much and normal citizens in their daily lives were hounded by police the way they are in black neighborhoods.

2. Racial profiling were not an issue. I've had police follow my car, look at me questionably and pause as if they wanted to check me out just because I was looking scruffy that day.

I find those that trot out numbers to "prove" their point without examining the broader issue pathetic. There is also a problem in American courts where we (African Americans) get hit with much harsher penalties than our white counterparts for the same crimes. And don't hand me this BS that you're not racist and not a bigot. You are. Most bigots and racists don't realize they are and they feel that they hold "reasonable" opinons.

Problem is that reason is not really entering your brain, but fear of what is different or unknown. You may not see it as fear, but you would rather not deal with that which is different. It is an aversion.

But it's fear nonetheless.

[joshuaism]

The study in question can be download gratis from here and it's called THE COLOR OF CRIME: RACE CRIME AND JUSTICE IN AMERICA

American Renaissance, great non-partial source you found there!

The problems of race cannot be solved without adequate understanding. Attempts to gloss over the significance of race or even to deny its reality only make problems worse. Progress requires the study of all aspects of race, whether historical, cultural, or biological. This approach is known as race realism...

American Renaissance is a monthly magazine that has been published since 1991. It has been called "a literate, undeceived journal of race, immigration and the decline of civility." We consider it America's premiere publication of racial-realist thought...

from here.

I can't say I am suprised at the conclusions they have come to after seeing where their thinking starts at.

[eighty5er]

The 1995 Okinawan Rape Incident:

- Marcus Gill (USN -DD)
- Rodrico Harp (USMC- DD)
- Kendrick Ledet (USMC- DD)

- All were African-American

Alleged US Marine gang rapists whose bodies were found in 'Kurombo Gama' (Nigger Cave):

- James D. Robinson
- John M. Smith
- Isaac Stokes

- All African-American.


It's of course HIGHLY politically-incorrect to even remotely suggest that 'wilding' (gang rape) might be peculiar to certain segments of African-American culture.

You can't seriously consider skin colour having anything to do with this.

I have heard that a lot of blacks from those crazy ghettos you have in the US enlist in the military. So maybe if you look into their backgrounds, upbringing, you would see a similarity. I would expect that if the rapists all grew up in poor and violent areas it would explain their behaviour. Skin colour is BS.

Of course, western Europeans of African descent would never act out of line!

[Iraira]

The 1995 Okinawan Rape Incident:
- Marcus Gill (USN -DD)
- Rodrico Harp (USMC- DD)
- Kendrick Ledet (USMC- DD)

- All were African-American

Alleged US Marine gang rapists whose bodies were found in 'Kurombo Gama' (Nigger Cave):
- James D. Robinson
- John M. Smith
- Isaac Stokes

- All African-American.


It's of course HIGHLY politically-incorrect to even remotely suggest that 'wilding' (gang rape) might be peculiar to certain segments of African-American culture.

Been been hanging out with Dr. (DNA) Watson, lately?

[xenomorph42]

American Renaissance, great non-partial source you found there!

from here.

I can't say I am suprised at the conclusions they have come to after seeing where their thinking starts at.

I was thinking the same thing. I found that out and other far-right off the wall radical smear sites that TennoChinko wants everyone to think, that his stats(if you want to call it such)is purely one-sided, unchallenged propaganda at it`s worst. As I said, it`s a ruse and we all know what TennoChinko is. If he is a racist, supremacist, separatist, I don`t care, he has a right to his view points, no matter how off the mark they may be.

But to use this issue to insinuate and without any merit and to use bogus and I mean, bogus claims from individual groups that engage in vile hate speech and to use some of their quotes and analogies as fact base is so out of touch with reality. TC you tried and you exposed yourself, now that everyone knows who and what you are, please...step out of the closet and admit you have a problem with black people and just move on to Amren. I had visited that site before, at least on their smear site, you can rave and find an audience that will agree with you and your out of sync racist views.

Having said that, now back to the real issue at hand. I think the laws in Japan need to seriously be rectified. The military has had this kind of problem happen before and it`s really embarrassing not only for americans, but for all foreigners in general. The military in Okinawa already have a tarnished reputation not to mention Iwakuni

[climb678]

I can't believe I am reading and responding to this racist crap, fortunately there are some posts of reason (xenomorph42, American Oyaji, etc.). Hopefully, after the rapists are found guilty by a court, they are severely punished. Race has nothing to do with it, there are far too many sexual assaults occurring world wide, especially in the U.S., committed by perverts of all races. Forget the racist bullshit, criminals are of ALL races.

[xenomorph42]

I can't believe I am reading and responding to this racist crap, fortunately there are some posts of reason (xenomorph42, American Oyaji, etc.). Hopefully, after the rapists are found guilty by a court, they are severely punished. Race has nothing to do with it, there are far too many sexual assaults occurring world wide, especially in the U.S., committed by perverts of all races. Forget the racist bullshit, criminals are of ALL races.

That was my point all along. You summed it up best!

[joshuaism]

Having said that, now back to the real issue at hand. I think the laws in Japan need to seriously be rectified. The military has had this kind of problem happen before and it`s really embarrassing not only for americans, but for all foreigners in general. The military in Okinawa already have a tarnished reputation not to mention Iwakuni

I don't know. I've been looking for statistics on US military crime in Japan and there just isn't that much information out there. I've found two articles online suggesting that there just isn't that much military crime, here and here.

But it's kinda hard to find where they get their numbers from. Looks like some of it comes from this pamphlet from the Okinawa prefecture and some numbers from the National Police Agency.

[Greji]

I don't know. I've been looking for statistics on US military crime in Japan and there just isn't that much information out there. I've found two articles online suggesting that there just isn't that much military crime, here and here.

But it's kinda hard to find where they get their numbers from. Looks like some of it comes from this pamphlet from the Okinawa prefecture and some numbers from the National Police Agency.

There really is not that much major military crime. It's just that the anti-base, anti-war, anti-US crowd is sitting there like a rocket waiting to be launched and they will jump on anything from DWI and shoplifting, up to the juicy capital offenses, in order to use it for their agenda. Being such a group they have the ear of the drive-by media, who are looking for the offense of the day story and if the crime is too minor to make a good story, they tie it in with the group"s effort to get the invaders thrown out of Japan.

Heaven forbid that they land a good rape story, such as the current one, or a murder case as the recent one in Yokohama, then it is daily blasts.

A J-person offs his neighbor and it might get page 2 or 3 for one day.