Mandatory pregnancy, abortion adoption thread

[Mike Oxlong]

[quote="unkosando"]
Men have to accept responsiblilty for their actions or they should be using a false identity so its easier to run away.]
What? You mean shit sandwich isn't your real name?!

Next you'll be telling us that isn't your real photo

[ttjereth]

ttjereth,
Try having a wife do such a thing.

She wouldn't be my wife anymore if she did.

[American Oyaji]

She wouldn't be my wife anymore if she did.

Precisely.

[FG Lurker]

[quote="unkosando"]Men have to accept responsiblilty for their actions or they should be using a false identity so its easier to run away.]
If the sex is one-sided it's generally called rape. If the sex was consensual then the results should be controllable by both parties as well.

People go on about how men shouldn't have sex if they aren't willing to accept the responsibility of a child... Perhaps women who are unwilling to consider the option of an abortion should not have sex with men unless the man feels the same way? Of course this is not reasonable -- but neither is it reasonable to say the man should have no say in how an unplanned pregnancy is handled.

[joshuaism]

People go on about how men shouldn't have sex if they aren't willing to accept the responsibility of a child... Perhaps women who are unwilling to consider the option of an abortion should not have sex with men unless the man feels the same way? Of course this is not reasonable...

How is this not reasonable? Are you saying that people shouldn't or can't control their sexual urges? Women should be able to choose whether to have a baby or an abortion. If you cannot agree with her choice, better to not fuck her in the first place. That is a man's right to choose.

[GomiGirl]

Ah the age-old battle of the sexes rages on.

[unkosando]

What? You mean shit sandwich isn't your real name?!

Next you'll be telling us that isn't your real photo

It's close. My real name is Shit Burger.

And yes that is my real photo... people keep telling me how big my balls are.

[Iraira]

It's close. My real name is Shit Burger.

And yes that is my real photo... people keep telling me how big my balls are.

Man, I didn't even notice how big your balls were until you mentioned it. And so often your balls are right in front of my face (on the monitor), and I never even noticed. May I commend you on the enormous set of balls you have?

[kamome]

It's close. My real name is Shit Burger.

I think the better translation of your name into English would be "turd sandwich", not shit sandwich or shit burger. I've heard the term turd sandwich used to mean the same thing as "eating crow", as in "He predicted that the Yankees were going to the World Series this year, but now he has to eat a turd sandwich."

[unkosando]

I think the better translation of your name into English would be "turd sandwich", not shit sandwich or shit burger. I've heard the term turd sandwich used to mean the same thing as "eating crow", as in "He predicted that the Yankees were going to the World Series this year, but now he has to eat a turd sandwich."

Actually Shit Sandwich means the same thing. I think turd sandwich is the cleaner version for the kids.

Either way I feel sorry for the guy who started this thread. He came here looking for advice on adoption and we ended up discussing shit/turd sandwiches.

[hundefar]

Either way I feel sorry for the guy who started this thread. He came here looking for advice on adoption and we ended up discussing shit/turd sandwiches.

That is why I come here.

[FG Lurker]

How is this not reasonable?

If the woman is willing to take complete responsibility for the child then she is welcome to make the decision to have the child completely on her own. If she expects support from the man involved then he should be allowed input into the decision to have/nothave the child.

It's fine to say "it's her body". Well, guess what? "It's his money". BOTH people had sex. BOTH people should be able to choose how to deal with the results.

Women don't like this? Then they shouldn't be having sex.

[joshuaism]

It's fine to say "it's her body". Well, guess what? "It's his money". BOTH people had sex. BOTH people should be able to choose how to deal with the results.

Women don't like this? Then they shouldn't be having sex.

So if both people have sex, why is it up to the woman to not have sex? It is a decision both people have to make. A man should know what kind of girl he is with before he sleeps with her. If you sleep with a psycho baby-killer or a f'd-up, life-ruining manipulator, you need to be ready for the consequences and pony up some money to take care of the situation. If you can't control yourself and fuck any hole that walks by, then you better expect you are going to take it up the ass one day.

"It's his money"? Child support doesn't pay for everything. She will be paying too.

[Samurai_Jerk]

better to not fuck her in the first place. That is a man's right to choose.

That the same line of reasoning Pat Roberston would use with women who want an abortion.

A man should know what kind of girl he is with before he sleeps with her.

What a women says she'll do when she's pregnant and what she'll actually do can be two very different things.

In a lot of US states it goes even further than that. The state will step in and force a man to pay if he's listed as the father the minute the mother goes on welfare regardless of what she wants or what agreement the two of them have.

And regardless of what the women says, does, or agrees to, the minute she changes her mind and wants your money you're fucked.

Let's say, for example, I had a girlfiiend who always told me that she'd get an abortion if she gets pregnant. Then she forgets to take the pill on the same day the condom breaks and oops, she's knocked up. I sit down and talk about it she says now that she's pregnant she can't bear the idea of abortion. However, she knows it's not fair to me and agrees that we should part ways and she'll raise the kid on her own because she doesn't want to hold me hostage and she can afford it. Ten years late she decides she wants to take a lower paying job with less hours so she can spend more time with her kid but isn't willing to make any lifestyle changes. Bam! She decides to go after me for child support. I will end being told by the courts to pay. About the only thing I can do is fight over how much.

[FG Lurker]

So if both people have sex, why is it up to the woman to not have sex? It is a decision both people have to make.

Ah, so everything up to the point of her period not arriving is up to "both people", but if her period doesn't come everything after that is controlled by her alone?

Power comes with responsibility. If she wants sole power to choose she should also take sole responsibility. If the responsibility is to be shared then the power to decide should be too.

[American Oyaji]

Tough Noogies.

You dont wanna be responsible, then keep your dick to yourself.

Or wait until you're married. Yeah it's freaking frustrating and sometimes painful, but there is zero drama.

[ttjereth]

Ah, so everything up to the point of her period not arriving is up to "both people", but if her period doesn't come everything after that is controlled by her alone?

Power comes with responsibility. If she wants sole power to choose she should also take sole responsibility. If the responsibility is to be shared then the power to decide should be too.

Perfectly said.

[kamome]

Tough Noogies.

You dont wanna be responsible, then keep your dick to yourself.

Or wait until you're married. Yeah it's freaking frustrating and sometimes painful, but there is zero drama.

I just can't understand this kind of black and white reasoning. Responsibility is not just the man's to take. The sexual act itself doesn't automatically obligate a man to pony up the cash. And if you want to lay down a law like that, why isn't it applied to women as well - "you don't want to be responsible, then keep your legs closed." The fact is that unintended consequences occur and you can't make men bear all of the responsibility for them.

[American Oyaji]

Kamome,
Here is my take on it.

Never lay down with a woman you're not willing to stand up with.

Why? Because no matter what a woman says, once pregnancy hits, a man does NOT know what she is gonna do and he is pretty much along for the ride at that point. Like everyone says. It is her body.

By the same toke with the ladies. If a woman pops pregnant, she should be sure of her man. Will he stick around or will he be a manbitch and bail?

Old fashioned values may be no fun, but they cut out a lot of dumb shit.

[maraboutslim]

that's all fine advice for the legal situation as it currently exists. i think these guys are proposing (er...dreaming for) a different, more equitable, type of arrangement.

[Iraira]

The sexual act itself doesn't automatically obligate a man to pony up the cash.

It does if you meet the girl on the steet corner where "she's working".

[Samurai_Jerk]

Kamome,
Here is my take on it.

Never lay down with a woman you're not willing to stand up with.

Why? Because no matter what a woman says, once pregnancy hits, a man does NOT know what she is gonna do and he is pretty much along for the ride at that point. Like everyone says. It is her body.

By the same toke with the ladies. If a woman pops pregnant, she should be sure of her man. Will he stick around or will he be a manbitch and bail?

Old fashioned values may be no fun, but they cut out a lot of dumb shit.

What you believe and what should be a legal obligation are two different things.

[Greji]

Originally Posted by American Oyaji
no matter what a woman says, once pregnancy hits, a man does NOT know what she is gonna do and he is pretty much along for the ride at that point.

AO, when she tells you she's bit the watermellon, you throw the condom with a knot in it on the table, tell her to name the kid Houdini, and hit the door!

[kamome]

AO,

I don't understand your presumption that once a man has sex with a woman "he's pretty much along for the ride". Not necessarily. Where do you get that idea?

[Greji]

AO,

I don't understand your presumption that once a man has sex with a woman "he's pretty much along for the ride". Not necessarily. Where do you get that idea?

Good point Bird. What ever happened to "Wham, Bam, Thank you Ma'm"?

[Greji]

Still it comes back to the simple question, she either has the kid or she doesn't. If she doesn't, you home free and happy. If she does, the kid is home free and happy!

[American Oyaji]

AO,

I don't understand your presumption that once a man has sex with a woman "he's pretty much along for the ride". Not necessarily. Where do you get that idea?

Basically thus; A man can only control his own actions.

Don't pull out in time when going sapporo
Or maybe you pulled out, but left just enough to do the job. (been there)
Rubber breaks while going at it.
If she does not get pregnant, then he's dodged a bullet.

If she DOES get pregnant, then drama. What to do?
If there is agreement on the solution, then drama solved.
But if there is disagreement, then lots of problems.

A guy can't make a woman agree with his standpoint whatever it may be.

A man has ZERO control over anything after penetration.

[Samurai_Jerk]

A man has ZERO control over anything after penetration.

The modern American male ladies and gentlemen.

[FG Lurker]

The modern American male ladies and gentlemen.

I know... For a guy who claims to be 6'4" he sure is a pussy. This is one of the reasons I highly doubt I could live in Canada again.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I know... For a guy who claims to be 6'4" he sure is a pussy. This is one of the reasons I highly doubt I could live in Canada again.

He's said as tall as 6'10" with a 9" cock. I find that hard to believe considering he's into anime and aikido