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Free Insight Into The Japanese

Postby Mulboyne » Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:17 am

[floatr]Image[/floatr]PR.com: Read for free: “Behind the Japanese Mask” – New ebook explores Japanese culture and business practices
As the Japanese proverb says, “Beginning is easy, continuing is hard” – a sentiment familiar to anyone trying to do business with Japan. This new ebook from Jonathan Rice takes readers below the surface of Japanese culture to explain the psychology behind the way Japanese people live and work, making it easier to build lasting, fruitful business relationships...Jonathan Rice is well qualified to explore where the mask ends and the face begins, having worked with the Japanese for over thirty years. A cross-cultural business consultant and lecturer, he has lived in Japan for ten years and lectures on working with the Japanese at Farnham Castle Centre for International Briefing. He is also the author of several books on cross-cultural issues, of which “Behind the Japanese Mask” is his most recent...more...

I haven't read it but the whole thing is here. This kind of prose doesn't fill me with optimism:

"The Japanese have never been easy to understand. What is more, they hardly ever try to be understood. For Western people, used to expressing our emotions and opinions clearly, Japanese reserve and inscrutability is not only impossible to work out, it is also very irritating...As one Japanese colleague explained it to me, Westerners are digital but the Japanese are analogue. Whereas Western people are individuals, who have intrinsic merit of their own and who do not feel the need to define themselves in terms of other people, Japanese can only operate as part of a larger system, like one hand on the face of an analogue clock, only of value when in a relationship with somebody or something else. Ask a Brit, for example, ‘Who is that person over there?’ and he will reply, ‘She is my sister.’ In reply to the same question, a Japanese would say, 'I am her brother.’ The end result is the same – we know who that person over there is – but for the Briton, he is at the centre of the world, and the person over there is defined in terms of the speaker. If there was nobody over there, the Westerner would still have a value, in his eyes at least."

You know what he is on about but that doesn't seem like a very helpful or accurate way to express it. Anyway, it looks like it could be an entertaining read:

"One very successful British businessman, who ran a thriving trading house in Tokyo for many years, claimed to have made no attempt whatsoever to understand his hosts. He concluded early in his stay in Japan that they were from another planet, a very friendly planet it must be admitted but a different planet all the same. He used to boast that he had learnt only two words of Japanese in the 20 years he had lived there. The first word was urusai, which means ‘troublesome’ or ‘a nuisance’, which he would shout at full volume across his office or into the street below if something got on his nerves. The second word was mizuwari, which means ‘whisky and water’, his panacea against all the urusai things that he came up against in his daily life."
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Postby amdg » Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:18 am

Mulboyne wrote:This kind of prose doesn't fill me with optimism:


Yeah, I guess you get what you pay for. Meh, it's not horrible, but doesn't seem to be proof read properly, and contains lots of, what I would call, misleading half-truths.
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Postby james » Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:49 am

what a fucking load of tripe.
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Postby Greji » Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:15 pm

james wrote:what a fucking load of tripe.


I fed it to my goat!
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Postby james » Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:45 pm

gboothe wrote:I fed it to my goat!
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hope it didn't get indigestion..
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Postby canman » Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:55 pm

Wasn't he comparing the Japanese to the Borg collective? That was the first thing I thought of when I read the line, "Japanese can only operate as part of a larger system"
I always love it when they mention, "a famous, or successful British businessman" Who what the hell is his name. It is only anecdotal you fool.
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Postby Neo-Rio » Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:00 pm

canman wrote:I always love it when they mention, "a famous, or successful British businessman"


I like that story about the businessman who refuses to speak Japanese - because it's what I'll take away from this story. He's rude to his hosts, at the center of his own universe, and does business successfully.

I hate to say it, but that's my experience as well.
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Postby james » Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:06 pm

[quote="TFA"]In reply to the same question, a Japanese would say, 'I am her brother.’]

i have never once heard a reply like this, and i am proceeding on the assumption that things out in the boonies are closer to the way things used to be than in the big city. is there anything in this book that the guy didn' pull out of his own orifice?
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Postby amdg » Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:12 pm

Mr Kobayashi: First, I experienced a sort of overpowering feeling whenever I was in the room with foreigners, not to mention a powerful body odor coming from them. I don't know whether it was a sweat from the heat or a cold sweat, but I remember I was sweating whenever they were around.
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Postby james » Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:13 pm

"Cause I'm stranded all alone, in the gas station of love, and I have to use the self-service pumps.."

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Postby Behan » Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:40 pm

I finally found someone I can write better than.

Maybe not.
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Postby amdg » Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:38 pm

I know an Irish accent for which æ = a (i.e., pat the cat = paht the caht), but which British accent are you talking about?
Mr Kobayashi: First, I experienced a sort of overpowering feeling whenever I was in the room with foreigners, not to mention a powerful body odor coming from them. I don't know whether it was a sweat from the heat or a cold sweat, but I remember I was sweating whenever they were around.
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Postby Behan » Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:34 pm

I have actually heard 'Pat' and 'cat' spoken in the same sentence by an Irishman, but I had no idea what he was saying at first.

It seems he was saying, 'Pat, would you get me the cat's claw?'

He had to repeat it several times before I could figure out what he meant.

He was probably thinking, 'Pat, would you get me the fuckin' cat's claw?'

I guess 'cat's claw' is Irish for nail puller. Luckily he didn't stick it in my head.
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Postby Iraira » Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:10 pm

I thought about that "I am her brother" and "She is my sister" stuff. Shit, Westerners say both. Imagine you're in a bar, and some drunk asshole is hitting on your wife/gf. The Westerner would say, "That's my wife/gf, bitch. So move along.", probably followed by bottles being broken over heads. I'm trying to think of the Japanese response to such a situation, but I think I misjudged the dosage on the cold medicine...
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Postby amdg » Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:42 pm

Yeah, whenever I hear these liguistic tropes I'm reminded of the famous one where the anthopologist/linguist whatever was out in Pennsylvania Dutch country and heard someone say "Thow the cow over the fence some hay" and then came back with his whole grammar theory about how SVO order differ from standard English amongst those people.
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Postby Jack » Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:59 pm

You can shit on this all you want but it's well-written and informative.
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Postby Mulboyne » Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:41 pm

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Postby Greji » Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:04 pm

Mulboyne wrote:More free insights:

Talent Management: Cultural Insights for Success - Doing Business With the Japanese"....From childhood, the Japanese learn the "correct" way to behave in any situation so they do not call attention to themselves...."


This definitely doesn't include the hookers in Roppongi at closing time when they haven't nailed a john....
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