The Mighty Japanese Navy - Ranked #2 wow

[Steve Bildermann]

[japslapper]

Its not what you have got - its what you can actually do that counts.

No 2,in reality, is still probably the Royal Navy. 4 pocket carriers (25,000tonnes), 30 frigate/destroyers, 16 nuc. subs and loads of support ships and ofcourse they have the Royal Marines. The Brits have a diverse fleet, and suposedly the best training in the world.

Ask any US Navy Admiral - they would probably agree.

The JMSDF - all the gear but no idea as they say

[kurohinge1]

... The JMSDF - all the gear but no idea as they say

[quote]Battle of Tsushima (May 27-29, 1905), naval engagement of the Russo-Japanese War, the final, crushing defeat of the Russian navy in that conflict.

The Japanese had been unable to secure the complete command of the sea because the Russian naval squadrons at Port Arthur and Vladivostok made sorties and both sides suffered losses in the ensuing engagements. Meanwhile, the Russian government decided to send the Baltic Fleet all the way to the Far East under the command of Admiral Zinovy Petrovich Rozhestvensky to link up with the Pacific Squadron at Port Arthur, upon which the combined fleets would overwhelm the Japanese navy. The Russian Baltic Fleet, having spent the whole summer fitting out, sailed from Liepaja on Oct. 15, 1904 ...

Early in May the fleet reached the China Sea, and Rozhestvensky made for Vladivostok via the Tsushima Strait. Admiral Togo Heihachiro's fleet lay in wait for him on the south Korean coast near Pusan, and on May 27, as the Russian Fleet approached, he attacked. The Japanese ships were superior in speed and armament, and, in the course of the two-day battle, two-thirds of the Russian Fleet was sunk, six ships were captured, four reached Vladivostok, and six took refuge in neutral ports. It was a dramatic and decisive defeat]

[FG Lurker]

Its not what you have got - its what you can actually do that counts.

No 2,in reality, is still probably the Royal Navy. 4 pocket carriers (25,000tonnes), 30 frigate/destroyers, 16 nuc. subs and loads of support ships and ofcourse they have the Royal Marines. The Brits have a diverse fleet, and suposedly the best training in the world.

Ask any US Navy Admiral - they would probably agree.

The JMSDF - all the gear but no idea as they say

The Royal Navy is #2 in the Pacific? In the Atlantic, sure. I don't imagine the Royal Navy spends too much time patrolling the Pacific though.

[Marvin Feltcher]

Sorry!

[AssKissinger]

You ain't number two without these bad boys

http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/177.html

The SSBN
The Vanguard Class SSBN (Ship Submersible Ballistic Nuclear) provides the United Kingdom's strategic and sub-strategic nuclear deterrent. The first Vanguard class submarine was launched in 1993 carrying Trident II D5 missiles and is now the cornerstone of our Defence policy and significantly contributes to the Alliance's deterrent forces.


One of those motherfuckers can wipe out the entire country of Japan.

[AssKissinger]

Or does Britain's shit only count as Atlantic?

[AssKissinger]

Its not what you have got - its what you can actually do that counts.

No 2,in reality, is still probably the Royal Navy. 4 pocket carriers (25,000tonnes), 30 frigate/destroyers, 16 nuc. subs and loads of support ships and ofcourse they have the Royal Marines. The Brits have a diverse fleet, and suposedly the best training in the world.

Ask any US Navy Admiral - they would probably agree.

The JMSDF - all the gear but no idea as they say

The Royal Navy is #2 in the Pacific? In the Atlantic, sure. I don't imagine the Royal Navy spends too much time patrolling the Pacific though. ]

Yeah OK but c'mon they got those big daddies floatin' all over, don't they?

[Steve Bildermann]

Steve, I'm surprised to see you posted this.

I thought it provided a balanced appraisal of the situation plus it tangentially introduced 'The Strategy Page' which I think always give good background reading when it comes to military news.

I also keep a portfolio on the prediction market that has done pretty well recently. I thought others might like to try their hand.

Some of the photos are pretty darn cool too (boys and toys)

http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/articles/military_photos_2005311.asp

[Socratesabroad]

You ain't number two without these bad boys

I'm all up on it in agreeing with JS and AK.

First off, size ain't everything - anyone remember how big Iraq's army was before First Gulf War? What was it, third or fourth in the world? And we need not even bring up those two words that mark the predominant naval lesson of WWII - 'aircraft carriers.' GB's got 3 in service (at least I counted 3 on the RN web site) and is developing new models, which combined its naval air arm (Harriers and anti-sub Merlins), submarine service (with attack subs), attack ships (to land ground troops), marine-commando units, etc. translates into (drum roll, please...) massive offensive capability, something the MSDF lacks and would need several years to develop.

Japan's MSDF is a decently equipped defensive force, but that's about all it is. Taking the offensive, however, is a completely different matter. And in that regard the Chinese and even possibly the N Koreans are much better equipped

[Taro Toporific]

[kurohinge1]

*bump*

Like a Hokkaido hooker, now you too can spend long nights fighting off Russian and Japanese seamen, as you re-live the golden days of the Russo-Japanese naval war . . .

. . . As soon as I heard the two names, I knew I was in for a treat. The new real-time 3D tactical naval simulation game lets players refight the clash of dreadnaughts that took place in the Pacific between 1904 and 1905.

Distant Guns is the first game planned in the series of 3D tactical naval simulators by Storm Eagle Studios. The game deals with the naval battles of the Russian-Japanese war, which took place in 1904 and 1905. While the Russian-Japanese conflict is an odd choice for a naval game, it is nice to see some fresh venues to explore. It also laid down the foundations for naval combat since it contains most of the elements of 20th century naval warfare where wooden ships have been put out of commission and iron now rules the sea . . . more

[Buraku]

Japan may deploy navy to help in searches of N. Korean ships

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20061022.wJapan22/BNStory/International/home

[Buraku]

Abe calls for study on defense shield to cover U.S.-targeted missiles
http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/390405

[Buraku]

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/619e9556-aa46-11db-83b0-0000779e2340.html
Japan and China plan mutual naval visits

[Buraku]

The first of three improved Oyashio-class attack submarines on order for the Japanese Maritime Self-Defence Force (JMSDF) was launched at Mitsubishi Heavy Industries' Kobe shipyard on 5 December.

http://www.janes.com/news/defence/naval/jni/jni071206_1_n.shtml

[kurohinge1]

The first of three improved Oyashio-class attack submarines on order for the Japanese Maritime Self-Defence Force (JMSDF) was launched at Mitsubishi Heavy Industries' Kobe shipyard on 5 December . . .

After Mitsubishi Heavy Industries' incident with that F2 Fighter Jet that wouldn't bounce, maybe someone should check that they remembered to put the rubber bung in the bottom of the sub before pushing it out into deep water.