ANA Planning Asian Budget Airline

[Mulboyne]

(Apologies, the third time this image has appeared on the board)

Kyodo via Japan Today: ANA to set up global budget carrier
All Nippon Airways Co plans to set up an international low-cost airline possibly in business 2009 to cope with increasing competition stemming from the planned expansion of takeoff and landing slots at Haneda and Narita airports. The planned carrier will likely begin operations in the following business year and will link Japan with destinations in Asia, ANA officials said. ANA may form the company with airlines from other parts of Asia, they added.

[GomiGirl]

About bloody time.

[ttjereth]

My wife and I always use Cathay Pacific to travel in Asia. Very good prices and absolutely wonderful service.

I've never been terribly impressed with ANA or JAL, especially in light of the cost.

[emperor]

I'm thinking of using oasishongkong for my next jaunt over to Jland.

Dub > Lon > HK > Osaka > Tokyo

First Ive got to get to London on a €.01 flight with Ryanair

London gatwick to HK return is about €400

then theres a boat that goes to Osaka from HK

and I could sell sexual favours and organs for food as I go

[Tsuru]

A mate of mine happens to be a captain for Oasis, from what I understand it's not a bad airline but don't expect much for your €400 They fly a couple of ex-SIA and ex-ANA 747s and seem to do pretty well.... by far the cheapest way to get to the far east from Europe.

[Mulboyne]

Asahi: Cheap Asian airlines look to Japan skies

As low-cost carrier Viva Macau made its inaugural flight into and out of Japan on Saturday evening, the era of Asian budget airlines seemed to have hit these shores. The low-cost carrier plans to make two round trips a week between Narita International Airport and Macao for the time being. The flights are now being treated as charter services, but a ticket costs only about two-thirds of the price other carriers charge. Due to a lack of publicity, there were not many passengers on the first flights in and out of Japan, but Con Korfiatis, CEO of Viva Macau, is confident of his company's future, saying the number of roundtrip flights will be increased to four a week from next year with an eye toward a regular route at some point. Korean Air is planning to use a subsidiary to operate a low-cost carrier from May that will fly between Seoul and regional cities in Japan. The company is now looking into which cities to service...more...

[Jack]

All the Chinese airlines are almost low fare carriers. Last time I flew China eastern to Tokyo from Shanghai and I was blown away by the great service.
Oasis Hong Kong has already become very popular on Vancouver. Everyone who flies them loves them.
Japan badly needs a major low fare carrier but if you think airports are crowded now wait until traffic gets really stimulated by low fares. Haneda will become impossible.

[akatsuka]

[quote="emperor"]I'm thinking of using oasishongkong for my next jaunt over to Jland.

Dub > Lon > HK > Osaka > Tokyo

First Ive got to get to London on a €]

but wouldnt the cost work out around the same in the end? Boat from HK to Osaka=? Osaka to Tokyo=?

Air France and Asiana do pretty good deals from London to Osaka/Tokyo....

[Jack]

but wouldnt the cost work out around the same in the end? Boat from HK to Osaka=? Osaka to Tokyo=?

Air France and Asiana do pretty good deals from London to Osaka/Tokyo....

The low fare alternative works best on domestic routes or short-haul international flights of no more than 4 hours. Beyond 4 or 5 hours every airline is a low fare carrier.

[IkemenTommy]

All the Chinese airlines are almost low fare carriers. Last time I flew China eastern to Tokyo from Shanghai and I was blown away by the great service.

I can recommend to you all the king of Asian budget airline

[Jack]

I can recommend to you all the king of Asian budget airline

China has the best safety record of any country in the last 10 years. The pictures you are posting are of Taiwanese airlines.

[ichigo partygirl]

Tiger Air which is partly owned by Singapore Airlines and operates flights in Asia and to Australia are also thinking on flights into Japan, particularly cashing in on the Japan-South Korea-China routes.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/12/10/bloomberg/sxtiger.php

[ttjereth]

China has the best safety record of any country in the last 10 years. The pictures you are posting are of Taiwanese airlines.

He doesn't say it's Chinese, otherwise you're half right. Air China has an excellent safety record, other PRC airlines don't.

The following values for each airline includes the number of fatal events since 1970, the Full Loss Equivalent (FLE*) for each airline, the year of the most recent fatal event, the number of flights since 1970, and an estimate of the fatal event rate per million flights. Because the number of flights for each airline is an estimate, the fatal event rate is also an estimate. Unless otherwise stated, the number of fatal events is current as of the revision date at the bottom of the page, but the number of flights is the estimate through the end of 2005.

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[font=Georgia][size=84] Airline                                           Rate      Flights    [color=Red] FLE* [/color]   Events  Last
Air China                                       UNK     UNK           [color=Red]0.82 [/color]      2           2003
[color=Green] Other PRC Airlines [/color]                   UNK     UNK         [color=Red]11.02[/color]      18         2004
[color=Green] China Airlines (Taiwan) [/color]         7.16      0.90M       [color=Red]6.44 [/color]     10         2002
[color=Green] Japan Air Lines   [/color]                       1.36      2.44M         [color=Red]3.31 [/color]      5           1985
All Nippon Airways                 0.22      4.64M        [color=Red]1.00[/color]       1           1971
Cathay Pacific                            1.45      0.69M        [color=Red]1.00[/color]       1           1972
[color=Green]Korean Air    [/color]                               2.58      1.30M       [color=Red]3.35[/color]       7           1997
Qantas                                           0.00      1.02M        [color=Red]0.00 [/color]     0           -
Singapore Airlines/SilkAir   1.50      1.00M        [color=Red]1.50[/color]       2           2000
Air Canada+                                0.33      4.75M        [color=Red]1.58[/color]       3           1983
[color=Green]American Airlines**   [/color]             0.40      25.08M  [color=Red]10.08 [/color]     13         2004
Continental Airlines**            0.14      10.39M      [color=Red]1.47 [/color]     5           1997
[color=Green]Delta Air Lines** [/color]                      0.17      24.8M        [color=Red]4.24[/color]      7           2006
Northwest Airlines**              0.21      12.51M      [color=Red] 2.61[/color]      4           1993
[color=Green]United Airlines**  [/color]                   0.31      21.9M        [color=Red] 6.69[/color]      11          2001(2)
[color=Green]US Airways**    [/color]                         0.28      17.63M      [color=Red]4.97 [/color]     9           2003
British Airways+                       0.17      8.27M        [color=Red]1.40[/color]       2           1985
Lufthansa/Condor                    0.19      7.30M      [color=Red]  1.41[/color]       3           1993[/SIZE][/font]


*FLE - Full Loss Equivalent: This is the sum of the proportions of passengers killed for each fatal event. For example, 50 out of 100 passengers killed on a flight is an FLE of 0.50, 1 of 100 would be a FLE of 0.01. The fatal event rate for a set of fatal events is found by dividing the total FLE by the number of flights in millions.

** Airline has either a subsidiary or a parent airline that was responsible for at least one fatal event since 1970.

http://www.airsafe.com/airline.htm

And for anyone who is interested, this goddamn editor is not very easy to use with tabular information

[Tsuru]

The only Air China crash that I can think of is the 767 that hit a mountain approaching Pusan, SK. Otherwise they're a brilliant airline with some of the best pilots in the world.

In danger of doing a Charles, the 0.0 listed next to Qantas is a complete load of boarlocks as far as I'm concerned. One of their 747's operating as QF001 (!) overshot the runway while landing in a monsoon at Bangkok's old airport some years back, and while it could be argued that technically the plane was a writeoff they spent over $100 million getting it back in the air to keep their record squeaky clean. Ergo, the coveted "0.0" doesn't really mean much to me, especially after the accident report was published which (rightfully) blamed the crew for their mistakes. Adding up to this is a recent spat of technical incidents involving other aircraft that were a direct result of the outsourcing of maintenance going on at QFA and the sh1te service resulting from low crew morale. I'd much rather fly Lufthansa or even BA if I have the choice, despite them having a worse FLE.



http://www.everzone.org/pictures/qantas.html

(But I fly none of them, I fly Emirates whenever I can and don't you bloody know it)

[ttjereth]

The only Air China crash that I can think of is the 767 that hit a mountain approaching Pusan, SK. Otherwise they're a brilliant airline with some of the best pilots in the world.

There's a list here:
http://www.airsafe.com/events/airlines/airchina.htm

In danger of doing a Charles, the 0.0 listed next to Qantas is a complete load of boarlocks as far as I'm concerned. One of their 747's operating as QF001 (!) overshot the runway while landing in a monsoon at Bangkok's old airport some years back, and while it could be argued that technically the plane was a writeoff they spent over $100 million getting it back in the air to keep their record squeaky clean. Ergo, the coveted "0.0" doesn't really mean much to me, especially after the accident report was published which (rightfully) blamed the crew for their mistakes. Adding up to this is a recent spat of technical incidents involving other aircraft that were a direct result of the outsourcing of maintenance going on at QFA and the sh1te service resulting from low crew morale. I'd much rather fly Lufthansa or even BA if I have the choice, despite them having a worse FLE.

http://www.everzone.org/pictures/qantas.html

(But I fly none of them, I fly Emirates whenever I can and don't you bloody know it)

It's not a rate of accidents, it's a rate FATALITIES.

Since 1961 Qantas has not had a fatal accident.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qantas#Airline_Incidents
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qantas_fatal_accidents

(But I fly none of them, I fly Emirates whenever I can and don't you bloody know it)

Emirates has not had a fatal passenger event
since beginning service in 1985


Emirates 0.00 UNK 0.00 0 -
http://www.airsafe.com/events/airlines/emirates.htm

[Tsuru]

I know, my point is that an airline can have 0 fatalities and still be unsafe. QED.



That's not to say M-rats didn't also have its share of incidents... google up "Emirates A340 Johannesburg" if you like.

[ttjereth]

I know, my point is that an airline can have 0 fatalities and still be unsafe. QED.

Even so, your statement that "the 0.0 listed next to Qantas is a complete load of boarlocks as far as I'm concerned" is a "complete load of boarlocks" because the 0.0 is correct

[Tsuru]

You're of course absolutely right, I guess more I was alluding to the "0 hull losses" Qantas always like to boast about whenever they get the chance.

Didn't anybody ever tell you that there's lies, damn lies and statistics? Unless you know exactly what a number or a series of numbers means they're practically useless and only serve as a vessel for shiny marketing campaigns. Something particularly true for aviation safety as well, I don't mind adding.

[ttjereth]

[quote="Tsuru"]You're of course absolutely right, I guess more I was alluding to the "0 hull losses" Qantas always like to boast about whenever they get the chance.

Didn't anybody ever tell you that there's lies, damn lies and statistics? ]

I dunno, from my standpoint, if I am in an airplane accident, so long as I live I couldn't give a shit whether they save their plane or not

[emperor]

but wouldnt the cost work out around the same in the end? Boat from HK to Osaka=? Osaka to Tokyo=?

Air France and Asiana do pretty good deals from London to Osaka/Tokyo....

dublin to tokyo search via gohop will generally come up with €]shanghai-osaka/kobe by ferry[/URL] return starts at Y20,000 (€120)

i think one would save a bit and meet some nice folks & see some interesting stuff along the way: convenient if you're not time-poor

[Greji]

[quote="Tsuru"]Didn't anybody ever tell you that there's lies, damn lies and statistics? ]

Well, if one wants to look at the bright side, the beauty of being involved in a fatal accident is that after your first one, you don't have to worry about being in another one.

[Taro Toporific]

[quote="emperor"]shanghai-osaka/kobe by ferry return starts at Y20,000 (€]

I have taken the Shanghai Ferry several times---I fuckquing love it. I have three big tips for enjoying the 2.5 day cruise.

1. Always go "Tamami Class" (3rd class) because there is much more room to spread out and party with other passengers. Conversely, never pay the extra money for the "shared cabin" 2nd Class, which is cramped, stinky and no fun. Also 1st Class on the Shanghai Ferry is shabby, costs more than a business class ticket on an airline, and in general is a very poor value.

2. Remember that the "sento" on the ferry can be fun, but there is nothing to prevent a brazen gaijin in Tamami Class from going up to the 2rd and 1st class section to use the private "Family Baths." You can lock the door so that you and any young lovely can enjoy the privacy (nudge, nudge, wink, wink).


3. Fast and don't go out drinking several days before taking the ferry. The Chinese food on that (Chinese-owned) Shanghai Ferry is great, cheap, and Chinese hooch costs only about 100yen a bottle.

[Taro Toporific]

[quote="emperor"]shanghai-osaka/kobe by ferry return starts at Y20,000 (€]

I have taken the Shanghai Ferry several times---I fuckquing love it. I have three big tips for enjoying the 2.5 day cruise.

1. Always go "Tamami Class" (3rd class) because there is much more room to spread out and party with other passengers. Conversely, never pay the extra money for the "shared cabin" 2nd Class, which is cramped, stinky and no fun. Also note that 1st Class on the Shanghai Ferry is shabby, costs more than a business class ticket on an airline, and in general is a very poor value.

2. Remember that the "sento" on the ferry can be fun, but there nothing to prevent a brazen gaijin in Tamami Class from going up to the 2rd and 1st class section to use the private "Family Baths." You can lock the door so that you and any young lovely can enjoy the privacy (nudge, nudge, wink, wink).


3. Fast and don't go out drinking for several days before taking the ferry. The Chinese food on that (Chinese-owned) Shanghai Ferry is great, cheap, and Chinese hooch costs only about 100yen a bottle.

[IkemenTommy]

Not sure how realistic this story(in Japanese) is, but Air Asia is discussing about having 10,000 yen flights from Tokyo to Malaysia starting later this year. Narita and Haneda are candidate airports but Ibarakiis on the list as well.

Hell for 10,000 yen (without considering the tax and surcharge fees), that's cheaper than flying from Tokyo to Osaka!