Permanent Residents Want The Vote

[Samurai_Jerk]

Buraku and amdg are spewing so much bullshit on here.

[Greji]

majority?
huh?
I certainly understand you dude have not had communication with J-people much from this one sentence. Although I dont know about dicrimination for Dowa people to get job, at least there are almost no discrimination in East Japan about marriage with Dowa people. Except for elite clan, the discrimination against Dowa people mostly exists in West Japan only. You dude's brain is full of dellusion.

Drop your cock and grab your socks Take! If you would get out from in front of your computer screen occasionally and go outside into the sunshine, you might be surprised to find that all former areas where the so-called Dowa people resided (and still reside are documented) and closely documented and monitored by more of your flower children than you know!

The J-government has banned the use of the so-called "Black Book", that identified all these areas. As previously posted, it was used extensively by companies during employment processing, or evaluating new applicants. It was and also still is still used among arranged marriage Omiyai's. A private investigator who does not have access to this book, or the information contained therein, is going to have problems obtaining business, or gaining information of interest to potential clients.

I will grant you that this type of sabetsu gets more publicity, or you tend to hear more about it happening in the Kansai regions, but that doesn't mean it is not alive and well in Kanto.

[AssKissinger]

Non-Japanese people shouldn't be able to vote in Japan. Japanese people fuck things up bad enough on their own anyway. But seriously, I don't want such a strong foreign influence in Japan. If Japan gets too friendly with every minority group in the country they'll suffer for their kindness. The minorities will do everything they can to fuck up Japan and overrun its identity. The last thing I would want to see is Japan going down the same ruinous path that Europe has already taken.

[maraboutslim]

Why is immigration checking your kids tickets?? I've never had to show a ticket to immigration.

huh? you can't get through the security checkpoints without a boarding pass.

But hey, if you guys say it's cool to leave the u.s. with your u.s. passport, arrive in japan with your japanese passport, stay as long as you want, leave japan with your japanese passport, show your u.s. passport upon arrival in the u.s. with no updated stamps in it at all, then that's great for them in the near future.

[Takechanpoo]

you might be surprised to find that all former areas were the so-called Dowa people resided (and still reside are documented) and closely documented and monitored by more of your flower children than you know!

It seems there is a tendency that gaijins have sympathy with Dowa, Zainichi and Ainu because they are same in the point of minority group in Japan.
Anyway I dont think there are a lot of discriminations about marriage with Dowa people in average salaryman or laborer's family. How many J-dudes try to do fucking omiai these days?
At least I never have conscioused about Dowa discrimination in my life.
The Dowa discriminations I have ever encountered are only in internet forum.

[Greji]

It seems there is a tendency that gaijins have sympathy with Dowa, Zainichi and Ainu because they are same in the point of minority group in Japan.

There is a lot of truth in that. Probably more than these "activists" will admit

How many J-dudes try to do fucking omiai these days?

Quite a few. The marriage minded salaryman (abeit becoming fewer in number), still do not have a culture between work and free time that allows them to have the opportunity to meet what they would consider to be an eligible candidate for a wife. Also, office girls, which I have even noted in my company, if not joining by a shanai kekkon, or marrying their longtime school sweetheart, are very receptive to omiyai's. I know of one girl in the keizai sangyou sho that had more than eight over the years until she found the dude that she adjudged to be the main man. This is also more common among the gals in the late twenties, or early thirties as they are exiting what is thought to be the proper age of the marrying range.

At least I never have conscioused about Dowa discrimination in my life.

And good on you for that, but it is an open secret that a lot of the high profile companies, have someone with in their respective jinjibu that has knowledge of/or the ability to do cursory checks on prospective shinshain for those very connections.

This could never be proved as who would ever admit to it and there would obviously never be audit trail, but I have had a many dealings in the business world here to leave me with no doubt that it still exists.

[ttjereth]

huh? you can't get through the security checkpoints without a boarding pass.

But hey, if you guys say it's cool to leave the u.s. with your u.s. passport, arrive in japan with your japanese passport, stay as long as you want, leave japan with your japanese passport, show your u.s. passport upon arrival in the u.s. with no updated stamps in it at all, then that's great for them in the near future.

I think you might be confused here. Security checkpoint and airline counter/boarding line does not equal immigration.

You do not have to show a boarding pass at immigration, you do at the above. You can show different passports at the above and immigration, when you need to show the boarding pass at security etc. you show the passport that matches the boarding pass name, at immigration you show the passport that you want to show.

[Mulboyne]

You do not have to show a boarding pass at immigration, you do at the above. You can show different passports at the above and immigration, when you need to show the boarding pass at security etc. you show the passport that matches the boarding pass name, at immigration you show the passport that you want to show.

It isn't usually necessary but Immigration can ask for your ticket. In particular, they may wish to confirm that you have a return flight booked and paid for. Of course, that shouldn't be an issue if you you are going through the Japanese passport line when you enter Japan.

[TennoChinko]

It seems there is a tendency that gaijins have sympathy with Dowa, Zainichi and Ainu because they are same in the point of minority group in Japan.
Anyway I dont think there are a lot of discriminations about marriage with Dowa people in average salaryman or laborer's family. How many J-dudes try to do fucking omiai these days?
At least I never have conscioused about Dowa discrimination in my life.
The Dowa discriminations I have ever encountered are only in internet forum.

I find it hard to believe that your open attitude toward burakumin is anywhere near the norm in Japan. There are plenty of up-to-date studies and polls which indicate that the majority of mainstream Japanese have a significant degree of discomfort regarding relations with Dowa from having their children attend the same schools to marriage. For example, there's one such report available [color=blue] here - "MAINSTREAM ATTITUDES TOWARDS BURAKUJÜ].

One indication of the depth of the negative attitude is the challenge of even being able to bring up the word "burakumin" or the more politically-correct term "Dowa" in polite conversation. In many cases, it might even be more socially-acceptable to say instead "Oi, Tanaka-san! Did you have a bowel movement this morning? I shat a HUGE one one myself! Looked like a clubbed baby seal - it did! bwa ha ha!!"

[amdg]

I’m only taking the time to reply to you because I respect your opinions usually. I’ll ignore all the other “that’s bullshit!” comments, because they’re not worth it.

Non-Japanese people shouldn't be able to vote in Japan.

Well, that’]But seriously, I don't want such a strong foreign influence in Japan. [/QUOTE]

With respect, this just shows how little you understand of the issue. You wouldn’t be able to pick an average zainichi from a Japanese person even if you lived with them for a year. So there wouldn’t be any “foreign” influence. These people were born in Japan, like their parents were and they speak Japanese as their first, and often only, language.

If Japan gets too friendly with every minority group in the country they'll suffer for their kindness. The minorities will do everything they can to fuck up Japan and overrun its identity.

See above –]The last thing I would want to see is Japan going down the same ruinous path that Europe has already taken.[/QUOTE]

Really? The last thing I would want to see would be scorpions erupting from my testicles. Hey, each to their own. But thankfully, that’s not likely to happen. With about 500,000 special permanent residents, they represent less than half of one percent of the population. Plus, they don’t all operate as one single-minded, united group. Different people have different opinions on all matters. If you had spent some time with any of them you would quickly notice this. Plus, the number of Zainichi is decreasing every year. So unless Japan decides to invade and annex another nearby sovereign state in the future, the number of zainichi will eventually become zero. Your fears are unfounded.

The Japanese PR machine is so sophisticated, ingrained and persuasive that, for a lot of people, just hearing the term “zainichi” brings up images of pachinko parlours, yakusa, and secret funding of N.Korean programmes. This is not unlike the situation with Italian-Americans in the USA a hundred years ago, when they were all widely suspected of being violent and connected to underground crime.

People who are surprised that historical phases like this can be repeated with impugnity, are usually not very well-versed in history.

[AssKissinger]

Really? The last thing I would want to see are scorpions erupting from my testicles

That was good!

You make some good points and know more about it than I do. The idea of trying to preserve a traditional Japan does appeal to me and my opinion is tainted by my experiences in Japan. I still agree with Sammy's opinions though. If they wanna vote they should become Japanese. That seems reasonable to me.

[Takechanpoo]

[amdg]

Fair enough. Your opinion is not without merit either, I just don't think it's the only way to look at things.

The thing of it is though, what we're talking about is just "the vote", nothing else, like ability to work in government service etc.

Think back to all those kids you went to high-school with - the habitual nose-picker, the finger-sniffer, the twice a month bather, the semi-autistic kid, all of them are fully enfranchised voters (assuming they haven't Darwined themselves off the face of the earth yet). Peace out

[Takechanpoo]

[Takechanpoo]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7eKjWbF_M8
These blave J-people are Shinpu
"If you hate Japan, go back to Korea!!!!"

[amdg]

nmn

[Mulboyne]

Yomiuri: DPJ lawmakers to push foreigner suffrage bill

Lawmakers in the Democratic Party of Japan are stepping up efforts to resubmit a bill that would grant permanent foreign residents the right to vote in local elections, according to sources. With New Komeito also strongly demanding local suffrage for permanent foreign residents, DPJ lawmakers hope in the upcoming Diet session "to split the ruling camp by submitting the bill to the House of Councillors and call on New Komeito to endorse it," according to one of the sources. But some conservative lawmakers in the party are determined to block the resubmission. "Looking at this constitutionally and from the state of the nation, there's no way we can approve this," one party conservative said. The DPJ previously submitted the bill to the House of Representatives on two occasions--in 1998 and 2002--but it was scrapped after failing to pass both times.

New Komeito also submitted to the lower house in 2005 a bill for granting permanent foreign residents voting rights in local elections, and discussions have spilled over into the current Diet session. The passing of any bill of this nature has been stopped in its tracks mostly due to deep-rooted resistance mainly in the Liberal Democratic Party. Yoshihiro Kawakami, a DPJ upper house member, plans to call on supporters in the party and establish a league of Diet members aimed at resubmitting the DPJ's bill. In the new bill, a "principle of reciprocity" will be introduced, in which local voting rights would only be granted to permanent residents who hold the nationality of a country that allows foreigners to vote in elections. "New Komeito's proposed bill has for sometime contained the principle of reciprocity, and so New Komeito won't be able to oppose the DPJ's bill," Kawakami said. Kawakami and his supporters hope to gain approval from the party leadership and submit the bill for prior consideration by the upper house.

[Greji]

Yomiuri: DPJ lawmakers to push foreigner suffrage bill

I'm with AK on this point. If someone wants to vote, they should become citizens. Although there might be an exception here or there, I think that this is a primary requirement for voting in almost every country. Why should Japan have to be different.

[Mulboyne]

Can you remind me which country came up with the slogan "no taxation without representation"?

[ttjereth]

I'm with AK on this point. If someone wants to vote, they should become citizens. Although there might be an exception here or there, I think that this is a primary requirement for voting in almost every country. Why should Japan have to be different.

Because pretty soon there ain't gonna be enough citizens left to both vote and run for office

[Catoneinutica]

Can you remind me which country came up with the slogan "no taxation without representation"?

That would be the same country that assesses an income tax on me even though I haven't lived there for about 10 years.

[Greji]

Can you remind me which country came up with the slogan "no taxation without representation"?

Still, most countries assess taxes on PRs and do not allow them to vote. It is a reasonable thought that a country's government should be elected by its citizens not be FGs. If it were other, the Chinese with their massive presence abroad (if they were all legal) would be a force to be reckoned with in many elections in many foreign countries (meaning the voting, not their routine out right purchase of politicians:D )

[Greji]

That would be the same country that assesses an income tax on me even though I haven't lived there for about 10 years.

I've been getting had on that front for much longer! I guess somebody has to pay for all of those on welfare!

BTW Catoneinutica, what do you mean by defacing my Avitar's cameltoe?

[Catoneinutica]

I've been getting had on that front for much longer! I guess somebody has to pay for all of those on welfare!

BTW Catoneinutica, what do you mean by defacing my Avitar's cameltoe?

I'm not defacing it, I'm celebrating it!

-catone
-see my "Beyond F*cked" post

[Taro Toporific]

what do you mean by defacing my Avitar's cameltoe?

I'm not defacing it, I'm celebrating it!

Sorry guys but that looks "cameltoe" more like a swollen, post-op, emptied and reshaped trannie scrotum.

[Catoneinutica]

Sorry guys but that looks "cameltoe" more like a swollen, post-op, emptied and reshaped trannie scrotum.

Yeah, like a "division" sign, minus the ampersand.

[ttjereth]

Sorry guys but that looks "cameltoe" more like a swollen, post-op, emptied and reshaped trannie scrotum.

It's Inoue Wakaso I think it's fairly safe to say she's not a tranny.

[Catoneinutica]

It's Inoue Wakaso I think it's fairly safe to say she's not a tranny.

Yeah, but that's what they said about Akio...er, Akiko Wada, too.

-catone
-I keed!
-Waka-chan's tube top looks like one of those "Feiler" needlepoint things that obaachan like so much.

[dimwit]

While I am loath to distract people from the topic of camel toes, I think the point is that we are talking about local not national representation. Americans and Austrailians (though not Canadians) are allowed to vote overseas in national elections but in city council elections you are required to be a resident of say Camel Toe Nevada or Trannie Scrotum Alberta.

As a resident and tax payer of Matsuyama, I should have a right to object to that dioxin incinerator they are planning next to the local elementary school.

[Catoneinutica]

While I am loath to distract people from the topic of camel toes, I think the point is that we are talking about local not national representation. Americans and Austrailians (though not Canadians) are allowed to vote overseas in national elections but in city council elections you are required to be a resident of say Camel Toe Nevada or Trannie Scrotum Alberta.

As a resident and tax payer of Matsuyama, I should have a right to object to that dioxin incinerator they are planning next to the local elementary school.

I dunno. I get the impression the dioxin-incinerator-decisions, as well as pretty much all important decisions, are made by a combination of corruption and gyosei shidou ("administrative guidance"). Where was that town where an architecturally significant school building was partially demolished even though practically everybody in the town was opposed to the demolition?

-catone
-Cametoe, NV? Oh yeah, it's about an hour west of Beaver, UT. It's where you go if you want to buy booze on Sundays.