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Scientist Claims Japanese & Westerners See Things Differently

Postby Mulboyne » Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:05 pm

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Wired: Japanese More Sensitive Than Westerners to the Big Picture
When people raised in a Western culture look at a picture, they instinctively isolate the central subject from its surroundings -- but when East Asians look at the same image, they see its entirety. So says a study published this week in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology [PDF here] -- and though fixed conclusions shouldn't be drawn too hastily, the findings add to evidence that culture modulates perception in very different ways. To explore the phenomenon, psychologists led by the University of Alberta's Takahiko Masuda assembled pictures containing a single person in the foreground and four people in the background. When asked how the foregrounded person -- their face manipulated to look happy, angry or sad -- appeared to feel, nearly three-quarters of 36 Japanese test subjects said their perception was influenced by the emotions of the background figures. By contrast, nearly three-quarters of 39 North American participants said the people in the background didn't affect them at all. When the researchers tracked the viewers' eye movements, they found that Japanese gazes flitted quickly to the background, while North Americans fixated on the central subject. "East Asians seem to have a more holistic pattern of attention, perceiving people in terms of the relationships to others," said study co-author Takahiko Masuda in a press release...more...
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Postby Taro Toporific » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:10 am

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...nearly three-quarters of 36 Japanese test subjects said their perception was influenced by the emotions of the background figures. By contrast, nearly three-quarters of 39 North American participants said the people in the background didn't affect them at all. When the researchers tracked the viewers' eye movements, they found that Japanese gazes flitted quickly to the background, while North Americans fixated on the central subject....

Damn, I've been living here in the Concrete Buttplug(tm) too long. The first thing I noticed in the photo were the smiling girls in the background. I totally blanked out existence of the scowling Japanese guy.
Just look at the ladies---the best way to make living in Japan enjoyable.
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Postby Baka Chan » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:52 am

Taro Toporific wrote:Damn, I've been living here in the Concrete Buttplug(tm) too long. The first thing I noticed in the photo were the smiling girls in the background. I totally blanked out existence of the scowling Japanese guy.
Just look at the ladies---the best way to make living in Japan enjoyable.


This pic is damn funny :eek: I used to think everyone was mad when I 1st came to Japan
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Postby Greji » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:56 am

Taro Toporific wrote:Damn, I've been living here in the Concrete Buttplug(tm) too long. The first thing I noticed in the photo were the smiling girls in the background. I totally blanked out existence of the scowling Japanese guy.
Just look at the ladies---the best way to make living in Japan enjoyable.


I had a wank while looking at it. Does that count for anything?
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Postby hundefar » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:05 am

Greji wrote:I had a wank why looking at it. Does that count for anything?
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No, because you were having a wank anyway.
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Postby Uhhuh35 » Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:52 am

Mulboyne wrote:"East Asians seem to have a more holistic pattern of attention, perceiving people in terms of the relationships to others,"


Hmmm. I guess that's one explanation.

A Japanese friend, who works for Canon, and I had a conversation a few years ago about the differences between the Asian and Western mind. He put it like this:
For thousands of years the Japanese family unit was centered around the rice patty. The family lived or died based on the success or failure of the crop so taking chances with it was discouraged.
The westerners on the other hand had to go and hunt for thier food so taking chances could result in big gains, and a bigger kill. The whole family benefited, taking chances was encouraged.
Thus, he said, you have the differences in thinking.

I can't say one way is neccesarily better than the other because we've both made it this fare haven't we?
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Postby dimwit » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:16 am

Taro Toporific wrote:Damn, I've been living here in the Concrete Buttplug(tm) too long. The first thing I noticed in the photo were the smiling girls in the background. I totally blanked out existence of the scowling Japanese guy.
Just look at the ladies---the best way to make living in Japan enjoyable.


My first thought was that the guy in the front is being kanchou-ed
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Postby bolt_krank » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:51 am

But then again, it fits in with my experience of Japan.
The whole "what will others think" and "don't cause waves".
Many a time I've seen someone fall over and everyone just walks around them
pretending they don't need to do anything.
I don't know why - but this seems to be a lot more common in train stations,
outside on the street, people tend to be a bit friendlier.

This is my perception anyway - I might be wrong.
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Postby amdg » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:54 am

Mr Kobayashi: First, I experienced a sort of overpowering feeling whenever I was in the room with foreigners, not to mention a powerful body odor coming from them. I don't know whether it was a sweat from the heat or a cold sweat, but I remember I was sweating whenever they were around.
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Postby bolt_krank » Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:14 am

I had a look at the paper, and going through it - I don't think it's anything breakthrough. The sample sizes used: 22 Americans, 27 Japanese; with the "differences" between the two ranging from 2% - 10%, which means that there's around 2 - 3 people different. Not a big enough sample size to draw conclusions from.
Even after his statistical analysis, his numbers are saying there's not enough to draw conclusions on, despite his numerous pages of drawing conclusions.

Looks like a research student trying to meet a deadline more than anything else....
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Postby amdg » Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:24 am

Mr Kobayashi: First, I experienced a sort of overpowering feeling whenever I was in the room with foreigners, not to mention a powerful body odor coming from them. I don't know whether it was a sweat from the heat or a cold sweat, but I remember I was sweating whenever they were around.
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Postby amdg » Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:33 am

Mr Kobayashi: First, I experienced a sort of overpowering feeling whenever I was in the room with foreigners, not to mention a powerful body odor coming from them. I don't know whether it was a sweat from the heat or a cold sweat, but I remember I was sweating whenever they were around.
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Postby Midwinter » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:45 pm

In my mind at least, this explaisn why Asians are terrible drivers... God, that sounds horrible, but science this time is on myside. Thank you science.
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Postby kusai Jijii » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:11 pm

Well fuck me senseless! I'm absolutely floored that the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology would actually publish this complete and utter shit...:confused:
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Postby amdg » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:46 pm

Midwinter wrote:In my mind at least, this explaisn why Asians are terrible drivers... God, that sounds horrible, but science this time is on myside. Thank you science.



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Canadian Government Endorses T. Masuda's Study - moves to revoke all ethnic east asian drivers licenses; friend's say Masuda is now slightly less enthusiastic about the results of his study.
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Postby Gilligan » Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:00 pm

kusai Jijii wrote:Well fuck me senseless! I'm absolutely floored that the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology would actually publish this complete and utter shit...:confused:


Come one KJ, it's called the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. What kind of stuff do expect would be published in it?
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:36 pm

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Postby kusai Jijii » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:21 pm

Gilligan wrote:Come one KJ, it's called the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. What kind of stuff do expect would be published in it?

:rofl:
Im sorry Gill, sometimes I just get carried away, what with being a 'keyboard warrior' and all...
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Postby Charles » Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:36 am

amdg wrote:Yeah, I agree with you about the flimsy conclusions, poor sample size, and his arbitrary Japan (east asian) vs everyone else methodology.

But he does seem to have an agenda - have a look at his other published papers - Japanese are unique dude, in case you didn't know:


Most of his papers are published by the World Center for advanced psychological analysis, reknown the world over as the top research facility for neuropsychiatry: the University of Alberta.
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Just kidding, you could probably buy a UA diploma online for $20.

OMFG that is just atrocious. It seems there is an endless supply of funding for nihonjinron research, as long as you dress it up in pseudoscience that looks like modern neuropsych research.
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Postby kusai Jijii » Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:10 am

One more thing I just noticed...
If you look at his publications list, you will see six papers listed. Five of those are 'in preparation', and the other one is 'under review'. So Sparky isn't quite as well published as I first thought.
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Postby Iraira » Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:58 pm

kusai Jijii wrote:One more thing I just noticed...
If you look at his publications list, you will see six papers listed. Five of those are 'in preparation', and the other one is 'under review'. So Sparky isn't quite as well published as I first thought.



Not to defend the guy, but I had a paper in "submitted" or "in review" status for 8 years. Kept getting sent to teh same reviewers who are in a bitch flght with my old profs regarding some trite shit about an equation. Professors trying to get gangsta on each other. So, the shit can drag out.
Plus, if "the sociologist" waited to submit all of his doctoral work at the same time, thene everything would be unpublished. You can also check the impact factor of the journals that he, she, it submitted to or was published in. Scores close to zero (The Northen Mongolian Tree Sloth Mating Quarterly) ...yeah, you get the point.
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Postby eddie » Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:43 pm

I'm so very tired of this constant droning on about 'being Japanese'. 'We Japanese yadda yadda yadda'. 'such and such is because we are Japanese'. 'Japanese people blah blah blah'.
There's plenty of good stuff here and I like it here and things are great, but please...I cringe everytime I hear the word 'Japanese' coming from the mouth of a Japanese.
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Postby kusai Jijii » Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:53 pm

Iraira wrote:Not to defend the guy, but I had a paper in "submitted" or "in review" status for 8 years. Kept getting sent to teh same reviewers who are in a bitch flght with my old profs regarding some trite shit about an equation. Professors trying to get gangsta on each other. So, the shit can drag out.
Plus, if "the sociologist" waited to submit all of his doctoral work at the same time, thene everything would be unpublished. .


I have to respectfully disagree with you, my man. I have also published several papers through the standard process of 'blind peer review'. And I have also had the odd paper rejected. That's the point. Published papers (in reputable scholarly journals) are of note because they have been accepted by (presumably) leaders in the field as having made a contribution to the field.

Also, why would anyone 'wait to submit all of [their] doctoral work at the same time'? I am trying to wrap up my own PhD, and have tried to publish as I go - something that I'd say most people do. I mean, if they are papers ready to go, let 'em go!
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Postby kusai Jijii » Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:11 pm

eddie wrote:I'm so very tired of this constant droning on about 'being Japanese'. 'We Japanese yadda yadda yadda'. 'such and such is because we are Japanese'. 'Japanese people blah blah blah'.
There's plenty of good stuff here and I like it here and things are great, but please...I cringe everytime I hear the word 'Japanese' coming from the mouth of a Japanese.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:53 pm

Japanese people do see the world differently. They can't help it. It's those squinty eyes. For example:

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Postby dimwit » Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:36 pm

I suspect this study is based on the tour bus syndrome. Take Kazurabashi in Tokushima for example. The bridge itself is quite attractive, but the trick is trying to photograph it in such a way that all the fugliness of the overdeveloped surroundings is avoided. Do this often enough and you become quite aware of the backgrounds.
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Postby Iraira » Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:47 pm

kusai Jijii wrote:I have to respectfully disagree with you, my man. I have also published several papers through the standard process of 'blind peer review'. And I have also had the odd paper rejected. That's the point. Published papers (in reputable scholarly journals) are of note because they have been accepted by (presumably) leaders in the field as having made a contribution to the field.

Also, why would anyone 'wait to submit all of [their] doctoral work at the same time'? I am trying to wrap up my own PhD, and have tried to publish as I go - something that I'd say most people do. I mean, if they are papers ready to go, let 'em go!
Just my 2 yens worth.


Very true. The whole review process is generally blind, but you can often tell who reviewed it based on their comments for rejecting the paper. The funny thing is, is that I kept revising the manuscript based on what they said was wrong with it, and theirs had to answer my issues. Eventually, the main points of the papers were buried in this sludge of "some say it could be due to this, but....." that went on for 20 pages. All because people get religious about why the oldest 0.5% of populations don't conform to the formula that the previously expired 99.5% do.
Anyway, some people view it as strategy to have an onslaught of papers released right around the time they will be post-doc hunting, or applying for professorships....makes them look like they've very prolific.
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Postby Charles » Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:34 pm

Iraira wrote:Anyway, some people view it as strategy to have an onslaught of papers released right around the time they will be post-doc hunting, or applying for professorships....makes them look like they've very prolific.

I guess this is what they mean by PhD: Piled Higher and Deeper.
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Postby kusai Jijii » Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:18 am

Charles wrote:I guess this is what they mean by PhD: Piled Higher and Deeper.

I think it actually stands for Permanent Head Damage;)
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