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Max Hastings On The Pacific War

Postby Mulboyne » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:25 pm

[floatl]Image[/floatl]The Wall Street Journal carries a lengthy excerpt from 'Retribution: The Battle for Japan 1944 – 1945' by British journalist Max Hastings. It is about to be released in the US.

Our understanding of the events of 1939–45 might be improved by adding a plural and calling them the Second World Wars...President Roosevelt and Gen. George Marshall, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, resisted the demands of Admiral Ernest King, the U.S. Navy's C-in-C, and of Gen. Douglas MacArthur, supreme commander in the south-west Pacific, for the eastern theatre to become the principal focus of America's war effort. In 1943 and 1944, America's vast industrial mobilisation made it possible to send large forces of warships and planes east as well as west. Most U.S. ground troops, however, were dispatched across the Atlantic, to fight the Germans. Once Japan's onslaught was checked, the Allies' eastern commanders were given enough forces progressively to push back the enemy, but insufficient to pursue a swift victory. The second-class status of the Japanese war was a source of resentment to those who had to fight it, but represented strategic wisdom...To soldiers, sailors and airmen, any battlefield beyond their own compass seemed remote. "What was happening in Europe really didn't matter to us," said Lt. John Cameron-Hayes of 23rd Indian Mountain Artillery, fighting in Burma. More surprising was the failure of Germany and Japan to coordinate their war efforts, even to the limited extent that geographical separation might have permitted...Only in January 1943, towards the end of the disaster of Stalingrad, did Hitler made a belated and unsuccessful attempt to persuade Japan to join his Russian war. By then, the moment had passed at which such an intervention might have altered history...continued...

The book was released in Britain last year under the title "Nemesis". Hastings angered some Australian veterans for underplaying their role in the closing months of the war and writing of mutiny in their ranks. Others didn't like his attacks on the competency of Lord Mountbatten and General MacArthur. In general, though, it seems to have received good reviews.
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Postby Marvin Feltcher » Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:23 pm

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Postby amdg » Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:58 pm

As much as we Aussies like to think the Pacific War could have not have been won without us


I don't know any Australian who thinks that the Aussie ground forces in the Pacific were a key part of winning the war.

the reality is that we were basically little more than support troops


The reality is that many men and women gave their best as well as they could at the time. That is all.
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Retribution: The Battle for Japan, 1944-45

Postby gkanai » Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:34 pm

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The NY Times has an interesting review of Max Hastings' new book, "Retribution: The Battle for Japan, 1944-45."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/30/books/review/Thomas2-t.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&ref=books&pagewanted=all

Hastings is a military historian in the grand tradition, belonging on the shelf alongside John Keegan, Alistair Horne and Rick Atkinson. He is equally adept at analyzing the broad sweep of strategy and creating thrilling set pieces that put the reader in the cockpit of a fighter plane or the conning tower of a submarine. But he is best on the human cost of war. He describes an American soldier’s bewilderment on reading the diary found on a dead Japanese soldier during the bloody battle of Manila. The Japanese soldier “wrote of his love for his family, eulogized the beauty of a sunset ― then described how he participated in a massacre of Filipinos during which he clubbed a baby against a tree.” Americans were shocked by the Japanese massacre of civilians in Manila. After a month of constant bombardment, the United States Army left much of the city in rubble.

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Postby Uhhuh35 » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:58 pm

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Postby Buraku » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:37 pm

Uhhuh35 wrote:Yep, that's how you win a war.
Here's a memorable one from Adm Halsey:
[size=-1]"KILL JAPS. KILL JAPS.
KILL MORE JAPS.
You will help to kill the yellow bastards
if you do your job well."

And they did do their job well and now the US and Japan are friends. Go figure.


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Oh great, you're one of those former Marine dudes who suddenly found himself hitched to a local Okinawa girl. After a few years of personality adjustment from living with your in-laws you've completely lost your U.S patriotism.
Today you blame crime on the kimichi dudes and see a big bad America that went around barbecuing redskins and japs because that's what warui hakujins always do,
American man, blackhearts ne ?

I do however find your "Operation CHAOS" signature to be very insightful, its far more likely a McCain and not a Clinton or Obama will be meeting with Yasuo Fukuda
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Postby Uhhuh35 » Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:55 am

Buraku wrote:Oh great, you're one of those former Marine dudes who suddenly found himself hitched to a local Okinawa girl.

Good guess! My wife is from Okinawa but I met her in L.A. I had considered the Marine Corps but the recruiter was one of the dumbest people I've ever met. I subsequently joined the AF and have never regretted it.

Buraku wrote:After a few years of personality adjustment from living with your in-laws you've completely lost your U.S patriotism.

Never lived with my in-laws or lost my patriotism. But that does sound like a few people on this board though.

Buraku wrote:Today you blame crime on the kimichi dudes and see a big bad America that went around barbecuing redskins and japs because that's what warui hakujins always do,
American man, blackhearts ne ?

No. I don't feel guilty for what happened in history or what I can't control. That liberal guilt trip doesn't work on me. BTW, the Japanese are masters of the guilt trip don't you agree?

Buraku wrote: I do however find your "Operation CHAOS" signature to be very insightful, its far more likely a McCain and not a Clinton or Obama will be meeting with Yasuo Fukuda

Glad you like it! I had one of your quotes there previously.
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Postby Greji » Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:20 am

Buraku wrote:I do however find your "Operation CHAOS" signature to be very insightful, its far more likely a McCain and not a Clinton or Obama will be meeting with Yasuo Fukuda


Do you know who started CHAOS and what it's about? The fact is, that even though the Dems are screaming, crying and kicking their feet in the air about it, makes it all that more funny. It's one of their own election tricks being used against them.
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Postby Uhhuh35 » Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:35 pm

Greji wrote:Do you know who started CHAOS and what it's about? The fact is, that even though the Dems are screaming, crying and kicking their feet in the air about it, makes it all that more funny. It's one of their own election tricks being used against them. :p

Yeah, the Dems crossed over in 2000 because they thought McCain would be easier to beat than Bush. Now they whine about us doing the same thing. Imagine that]http://www.kmbc.com/politics/10214492/detail.html[/URL]

"Four people have been indicted on charges of voter fraud in Kansas City, officials said Wednesday.Investigators said questionable registration forms for new voters were collected by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, a group that works to improve minority and low-income communities." Pssst! That means they're Democrats.
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Postby Charles » Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:09 pm

Greji wrote:Do you know who started CHAOS and what it's about?

It was started by Mr. Big and Ludwig Siegfried.
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Postby Greji » Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:44 pm

Charles wrote:It was started by Mr. Big and Ludwig Siegfried.


Good show Chas, I forgot all about that one!
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