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Postby Mulboyne » Mon May 19, 2008 11:09 am

[floatl]Image[/floatl]Amazon: Bar Flower - My Decadently Destructive Days and Nights as a Tokyo Nightclub Hostess
From Publishers Weekly: What saves this youthful memoir from being a dreary litany of boozy nights spent entertaining drunken big-spenders at Tokyo clubs is American translator Jacobson's knowledge of Japanese culture and language. Having originally landed in Japan in 2003 after college at McGill to work as a kindergarten teacher, Jacobson was fired from her job at the Happy Learning English School in Yokosuka city because the psychiatrist she saw for anxiety revealed her condition in a letter to her employer. Outspoken about discrimination against women in Japanese society, fond of drinking and prone to eating disorders and self-cutting, Jacobson drifted among teaching jobs before settling into the more lucrative but taxing employment as a hostess at the Palace, on Tokyo's Ginza strip, where the reigning mama-san taught her the fine art of being a decorative bar flower who serves men drinks and light conversation without being touched. Jacobson soon found her job leaching into all aspects of her life, and the paid dates, drinking and partying prompted a destructive spiral of cutting and blacking out. Truly fascinated by Japanese mores, Jacobson nonetheless elevates her story with compelling digressions into ukiyo (the floating world), geisha tradition and the Great Kanto earthquake of 1923, among other topics, for a candid version of cultural immersion.

A quick browse of this book in a shop suggested that it didn't really have any new angle on foreign hostessing. This hostess blogger liked it when she wrote about it here but she also says in her Amazon review that the book "reveals a side of Japan that hardly gets any attention" which seems at odds with the fact that such narratives have become a staple of foreign writing on Japan. The author, Lea Jacobson, gives a short radio interview here (it's the second feature, about halfway through). She is now married, is still in Japan, and works as a translator.
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Postby Socratesabroad » Mon May 19, 2008 12:50 pm

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Jacobson was fired from her job...because the psychiatrist she saw for anxiety revealed her condition in a letter to her employer. Outspoken about discrimination against women in Japanese society, fond of drinking and prone to eating disorders and self-cutting, Jacobson drifted among teaching jobs ...

Jacobson is hardly a poster child for mental stability, which surely calls into question the veracity of her writing and observations.
If she admits she's mad as a hatter aren't we supposed to dismiss her "literary" output as the mere ramblings of a mad man (or woman, to be precise)?
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She is now married, is still in Japan, and works as a translator.

That's not entirely true, since Jacobson admits i am an engrish teacher on her own blog. In reality, she's still an eikaiwa teacher with translating as a sideline/hobby.
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Postby kurohinge1 » Mon May 19, 2008 12:57 pm

Mulboyne wrote:
"My Decadently Destructive Days and Nights as a Tokyo Nightclub Hostess" . . .


After only skimming this thread's title quickly, I was half expecting to see a confessional from Mulboyne.

I was somewhat disappointed that it was just a book review.

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Postby Kuang_Grade » Mon May 19, 2008 3:32 pm

Socratesabroad wrote:Jacobson is hardly a poster child for mental stability, which surely calls into question the veracity of her writing and observations.
If she admits she's mad as a hatter aren't we supposed to dismiss her "literary" output as the mere ramblings of a mad man (or woman, to be precise)?

Ah, but that adds to the sizzle, doesn't it?...US publishing seems obsessed with finding people (or people willing to fake it) to write about their terribly traumatic and fucked up lives but how they somehow preserved and if not triumphed, at least survived...I suspect your average incarated gang leader could get a book contract much easier than a non-literature Nobel Laureate.


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Postby kalvyn » Mon May 19, 2008 10:08 pm

In the event that anyone would like some info about this book that`s written by people who`ve actually read it... here are some links to the reviews:

Entertainment Weekly

Time Out Hong Kong

Playboy

There are more reviews copied on the author`s blog.

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Postby Charles » Tue May 20, 2008 8:55 am

kalvyn wrote:In the event that anyone would like some info about this book that`s written by people who`ve actually read it... here are some links to the reviews:

Entertainment Weekly

Time Out Hong Kong

Playboy

There are more reviews copied on the author`s blog.

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The reviews of "Bar Flower" remind me of my favorite movie review of all time. In an LA Weekly review of the movie "Barfly" they printed a mere four words, "Is that an adjective?"
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Postby Greji » Tue May 20, 2008 11:02 am

Charles wrote:The reviews of "Bar Flower" remind me of my favorite movie review of all time. In an LA Weekly review of the movie "Barfly" they printed a mere four words, "Is that an adjective?"


She tells a little about what to look for in the book when asked during the interview if hostesses ever have sex with customers:

"...... Sex is technically against the rules, so no one really talks about it. I suspect that some of the more ambitious hostesses may have gone beyond the call of duty ....."

That tells me all about the book I want to know.
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Postby Charles » Tue May 20, 2008 11:31 am

Greji wrote:She tells a little about what to look for in the book when asked during the interview if hostesses ever have sex with customers:

"...... Sex is technically against the rules, so no one really talks about it. I suspect that some of the more ambitious hostesses may have gone beyond the call of duty ....."

That tells me all about the book I want to know.
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Yeah, maybe this book belongs in the "Another newbie reporter 'discovers' Japan" thread.
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Postby Mulboyne » Tue May 20, 2008 2:37 pm

My default setting is to read just about any book written by a foreigner about living in Japan. There was a time some years ago when I'd buy them on spec but, more recently, there have just been too many where it seems like half the content has come from a few google searches rather than any genuine in-country experience so it now pays to give them a once-over. I didn't get that impression when reading Lea Jacobson's book but I saw enough to know that it would be better to pick it up as a cheap paperback rather than a full-priced hardback.

People who have lived in Japan a while or read a lot about the country are always going to be a tough audience to impress with a book about being a foreign hostess in Japan. Most foreigners who live in the big cities will probably know one or two personally and their stories about working in the clubs were fairly common currency even when Lisa Louis wrote "Butterflies of the Night" back in 1992. Since then, the foreign hostess has become a popular character in fiction. When I saw this book's title, I was immediately reminded of Catherine Hanrahan's "Lost Girls and Love Hotels" where the hostess character lost herself "in a sex- and drug-addled oblivion by night". Mo Hayder also had her main character in "Tokyo" work in a hostess club as did Susan Barker in "Sayonara Bar".

If you see that a foreign hostess appears as a character in a book, you can usually rely on a few of the following appearing: the yakuza customer; drugs; booze; a mama-san who either acts as a surrogate mother or engages in psychological warfare to break the main character's will - sometimes both; an explanation of the douhan system; a hostess rival; a hostess who uses sex to get her customers; a priest customer; a hostess who says she is "getting out" and then blows all her savings etc.

I wish this author well with her book. It's not easy finding a publisher so she deserves credit for getting over that obstacle.
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Postby Greji » Tue May 20, 2008 4:08 pm

Charles wrote:Yeah, maybe this book belongs in the "Another newbie reporter 'discovers' Japan" thread.


I know Mulboyne is soft, if not weak on any cute (or even not-so cute) girl who writes about her experiences in the cold night of the big mikan, but come on.

She writes she suspects some of the girls might be doing it? I got more time on hostesses than I do on AOL and absolutely none of them have ever been concerned about "beyond the rules", even if they were aware of any rules. It just cuts out any incentive to buy the book. As Muly says more power to her for getting it published, but at least in my case it was published for someone else to read.
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Postby Catoneinutica » Tue May 20, 2008 5:23 pm

One of the great Tokyo Nightlife primers was Nicholas Bornoff's Pink Samurai, first published around 1990 and long out of print. I misplaced or loaned my copy years ago, but I can recall reading about a (très exclusif, one presumes!) club in Kabukicho where a woman would would walk into a room in which the clients were seated around a large dining table with a mirrored surface, climb up on the table, and take a shit, whereupon the clients would take thin slices of the loaf and eat them. She was apparently fed on a special diet of herbs and spices so her faeces would be x-tra savory.

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-grej, have you stumbled across the place?

-"Decadently Destructive" - sounds like the name of a desert at Chili's.

-if there's shit-hostessing in Jacobson's book then, yeah, it probably merits throwing a buck or three at it
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Postby Catoneinutica » Tue May 20, 2008 6:07 pm

Socratesabroad wrote:Jacobson is hardly a poster child for mental stability, which surely calls into question the veracity of her writing and observations.
If she admits she's mad as a hatter aren't we supposed to dismiss her "literary" output as the mere ramblings of a mad man (or woman, to be precise)?

That's not entirely true, since Jacobson admits i am an engrish teacher on her own blog. In reality, she's still an eikaiwa teacher with translating as a sideline/hobby.


It seems to be an open publishing-industry secret that "memoirs" can contain any amount of fictionalized material, and Oprah's chastisement of James Frey was the exception that proves the rule.
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Postby Iraira » Tue May 20, 2008 6:40 pm

Catoneinutica wrote:One of the great Tokyo Nightlife primers was Nicholas Bornoff's Pink Samurai, first published around 1990 and long out of print. I misplaced or loaned my copy years ago, but I can recall reading about a ([I]trè], one presumes!) club in Kabukicho where a woman would would walk into a room in which the clients were seated around a large dining table with a mirrored surface, climb up on the table, and take a shit, whereupon the clients would take thin slices of the loaf and eat them. She was apparently fed on a special diet of herbs and spices so her faeces would be x-tra savory.

-catone

-grej, have you stumbled across the place?

-"Decadently Destructive" - sounds like the name of a desert at Chili's.

-if there's shit-hostessing in Jacobson's book then, yeah, it probably merits throwing a buck or three at it


What I want to know is, who sliced up the savory fecal matter and what the job title on his meishi was.
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Postby Greji » Tue May 20, 2008 11:15 pm

Iraira wrote:What I want to know is, who sliced up the savory fecal matter and what the job title on his meishi was.


Bu-cho....

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Postby NoCityHeadAche » Wed May 21, 2008 1:20 am

Catoneinutica wrote:One of the great Tokyo Nightlife primers was Nicholas Bornoff's Pink Samurai, first published around 1990 and long out of print. I misplaced or loaned my copy years ago, but I can recall reading about a ([I]trè], one presumes!) club in Kabukicho where a woman would would walk into a room in which the clients were seated around a large dining table with a mirrored surface, climb up on the table, and take a shit, whereupon the clients would take thin slices of the loaf and eat them. She was apparently fed on a special diet of herbs and spices so her faeces would be x-tra savory.

-catone

-grej, have you stumbled across the place?

-"Decadently Destructive" - sounds like the name of a desert at Chili's.

-if there's shit-hostessing in Jacobson's book then, yeah, it probably merits throwing a buck or three at it


Sounds like fiction to me.
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Catoneinutica wrote:
One of the great Tokyo Nightlife primers was Nicholas Bornoff's Pink Samurai, first published around 1990 and long out of print. . . . I can recall reading about a (trè]

NoCityHeadAche wrote:
Sounds like fiction to me.


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Consuming other people's feces carries the risk of contracting diseases spread through fecal matter, such as Hepatitis A, Hepatitis E, pneumonia, and influenza. Coprophagia also carries a risk of contracting intestinal parasites. Vaccinations are generally recommended for those who engage in this practice.

Lewin (2001) reports that "... consumption of fresh, warm camel feces has been recommended by Bedouins as a remedy for bacterial dysentery] (probably attributable to the antibiotic subtilisin from Bacillus subtilis) [B]was confirmed by German soldiers in Africa during World War II."

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Postby Catoneinutica » Wed May 21, 2008 9:39 am

NoCityHeadAche wrote:Sounds like fiction to me.


It does have the savory smell of an urban legend, which is why I wish I still had Bornoff's book so I could see what references he used, if any.
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Postby Mulboyne » Wed May 21, 2008 10:06 am

Greji wrote:I know Mulboyne is soft, if not weak on any cute (or even not-so cute) girl who writes about her experiences in the cold night of the big mikan, but come on.

I'm happy to give space on FG to someone writing this kind of book because I'm always interested to know about them myself. But caveat emptor and I think your impressions of this one are broadly in line with mine. The "foreign hostess" tale is not so far removed from the numerous bloody geisha books that have appeared ever since Arthur Golden hit the jackpot. Just how may different ways are there to tell the same basic story?

Catoneinutica wrote:One of the great Tokyo Nightlife primers was Nicholas Bornoff's Pink Samurai,

I enjoyed reading that too. Bornoff, and Ian Buruma before him, attempted to put Japan's demi-monde into some kind of context which marked them out from the other books being published at the time. Strip away the sociology, though, and there's not much difference between some of their descriptions and those in O'Neill and Rosenberg's more shameless 1962 book "For Men with Yen: A Guide to the Japanese Hostess System". (I just googled for an image of that book and damn me if I didn't find myself back at FG with Taro having dug one out to illustrate this old thread)
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please clarify, sorry

Postby JAPJap27 » Wed May 21, 2008 10:11 am

I couldn't quite understand what you were trying to say. So the hostesses you know do sleep with their customers? Or they absolutely don't, and therefore Bar Flower would be boring because there will be no accounts of prostitution?

Why is everyone so excited about dismissing Bar Flower as boring and unoriginal? It's like you can't wait to hate on her just for being a hostess with a book deal.
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Postby Greji » Wed May 21, 2008 10:29 am

kurohinge1 wrote:Me too - unless she was a camel:


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Postby Doctor Stop » Wed May 21, 2008 10:41 am

Iraira wrote:What I want to know is, who sliced up the savory fecal matter and what the job title on his meishi was.
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Postby Mulboyne » Wed May 21, 2008 1:54 pm

JAPJap27 wrote:...It's like you can't wait to hate on her just for being a hostess with a book deal.

I wrote above "I wish this author well with her book. It's not easy finding a publisher so she deserves credit for getting over that obstacle," so who are you addressing with that comment?

Your question about sex also seems to be aimed elsewhere. I couldn't give a monkey's about whether "Bar Flower" has lurid content or not but it is worth pointing out that the publisher and author have decided to go with the subtitle "My Decadently Destructive Days and Nights as a Tokyo Nightclub Hostess" so it is unlikely that a casual buyer will think they are picking up a book about Mother Theresa.
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Postby Greji » Wed May 21, 2008 2:07 pm

JAPJap27 wrote:I couldn't quite understand what you were trying to say. So the hostesses you know do sleep with their customers? Or they absolutely don't, and therefore Bar Flower would be boring because there will be no accounts of prostitution?

Why is everyone so excited about dismissing Bar Flower as boring and unoriginal? It's like you can't wait to hate on her just for being a hostess with a book deal.


You obviously have not been to a good cross section of hostess bars....
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still not clear

Postby JAPJap27 » Wed May 21, 2008 3:08 pm

You're right, I haven't gone to any hostess bars actually. But you still haven't answered the question. So do the hostesses you know sleep with their customers or not? Or are you being vague because you're talking out of your behind?
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why all the hate?

Postby JAPJap27 » Wed May 21, 2008 3:20 pm

And I was kind of addressing everyone when I said that you were quick to dis Bar Flower. You said good for Bar Flower for getting a book deal, but then in the same breath you said "how many different ways are there to tell the same story?"

And then there was that weird comment about how Bar Flower teaches English. As if that has anything to do with anything. That comment DID clarify how insecure the person who posted is about his/herself, but didn't really add to the discussion in any way.

I'm just pointing out the general animosity everyone seems to have towards Bar Flower. And I'm wondering where it's coming from, that's all.
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Postby Greji » Wed May 21, 2008 4:36 pm

JAPJap27 wrote:You're right, I haven't gone to any hostess bars actually. But you still haven't answered the question. So do the hostesses you know sleep with their customers or not? Or are you being vague because you're talking out of your behind?


By virture of you asking that question, eliminates any chance most of the PR's on the board have of answering it.

The answer is probably 99% of them, who do not have a husband, or steady and the remainder are negotiable.

Since you would consider the possibility of anyone living in Japan for any length who is male, would be "talking out of their behind" on this subject, also is quite telling, assuming you are not addressing missionaries.
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Postby JAPJap27 » Wed May 21, 2008 5:05 pm

Oh okay, thanks for the answer Greji. I wasn't talking to most of the males in Japan, I was talking to you since you made a comment about Bar Flower that wasn't clear. Something like "I've spent more time with hostesses than I have on AOL," and then I couldn't understand the next line.
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Postby Mulboyne » Wed May 21, 2008 9:42 pm

JAPJap27 wrote:And I was kind of addressing everyone when I said that you were quick to dis Bar Flower. You said good for Bar Flower for getting a book deal, but then in the same breath you said "how many different ways are there to tell the same story?"

I'm not sure why you think it is odd to wish the author well but not be in any great hurry to buy the book. I probably will read it in full some time in the future but I've already explained why it isn't at the top of my to do list right now. Perhaps you'll enjoy it - the hostess blogger I linked to did - in which case please stop by again if you have the time and let us know.
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Postby kurohinge1 » Thu May 22, 2008 7:49 am

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. . . I got more time on hostesses than I do on AOL . . .


JAPJap27 wrote:
Oh okay, thanks for the answer Greji. . . I was talking to you since you made a comment . . . like "I've spent more time with hostesses than I have on AOL," and then I couldn't understand the next line.


I thought he was whinging about how bad his AOL connection was.

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