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Postby Charles » Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:22 am

Sheesh, and people in Akihabara were worried about getting stabbed with lit cigarettes.

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Postby Adhesive » Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:40 am

Coincidentally, I was just talking to the wife about the apparent randomness of certain Japanese violence. Statistically, you're still better off walking around the streets of Japan than a place like the U.S., but, in the other places most violence occurs between acquaintances, so the odds of being killed are substantially less for people outside certain high-risk groups. It seems you at least have to be a co-worker or classmate of the psychopath to have any possibility of being suddenly murdered. Whereas in Japan, I often hear about guys choosing random targets and pushing them onto the tracks, stabbing them, etc.

I don't want to turn this tragic event into another tired cultural comparison, I just wonder what motivates people to attack random strangers. It seems to me that if you're going to go through the trouble of murdering someone, you might as well be a little selective.
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Postby Kuang_Grade » Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:25 am

In all fairness, given it was Sunday, wasn't most of the Chuo Dori closed off (except for a few cross streets such as where the event took place) and crowds forming around things (despite the recent police crackdowns) isn't uncommon in Akihabara, so while there may have been tons of people about, I doubt that many of them were aware/could see what was going on.

http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20662

I thinking about that this video that mulboyne posted a few weeks ago and how long it took for J folks as a crowd to notice what was going on (granted no one was shouting 'Don't kill me' at the time).

Also some of the early reports state that the assailant was carrying quite a large knife, like 8 or 12 inches...Facing an opponent who has shown active use of a large knife in an open area with clear lines of escape, most folks aren't going to think for nanosecond about taking him on..they are going to run....

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The timing could not have been worse. The energy was already flagging in Electric Town as the area was slowly becoming a police state in the wake of crackdowns on street idols and cosplayers (the TV is now praising the already-elevated police presence in the area, saying there would have been more mayhem if not for them).

But even if the perpetrator, or the media - bless them - doesn't blame it all on moe figures and hentai doujinshi, you know, the "otaku boom", the deal has been sealed, the epoch has been crossed, and the new message is not "Yokoso Japan."
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Postby GuyJean » Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:56 am

eddie wrote:gotta say the knee-jerk mockery here of the locals is a bit disappointing...sure there's plenty to goof on living here, but this is a real sad story. c'mon...
Yeah, yeah.. Guess you're right. I just get frustrated when there's little resistance towards crazy guys in suits with knives..

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Postby Taro Toporific » Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:42 am

Kuang_Grade wrote:In all fairness,...Facing an opponent who has shown active use of a large knife in an open area with clear lines of escape, most folks aren't going to think for nanosecond about taking him on..they are going to run....
Japanese legally have very poor rights of self defense and almost no rights for a "hero." Anybody who tried being a hero would be in jail today..a gaijin hero would be "questioned" in custody for days.

NHK TV was showing off the killer's self-made, kill-kill, engrish manga 20 minutes ago.:rolleyes:
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Postby Mulboyne » Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:45 am

This incident is getting very wide coverage in Europe. Partly that is because it took place on a Sunday which is still generally a quiet news day but it also coincided with the beginning of the Euro 2008 which meant that many countries ground to a halt so there was even more of an news vacuum. Having said that, it is shocking no matter which way you look at it. We have sadly become accustomed to the idea of a crazy guy - I don't think a woman has done this so far - slashing people at random in the street but seven dead is fairly unprecedented. Even with a gun, the guy in Sasebo caused fewer deaths and injuries. The havoc this guy wreaked would be news enough on its own but it's curious that some of the domestic coverage almost seems to hint that Akihabara was a hotbed of angst and social problems; a bomb waiting to go off.

EDIT: The theme is also being picked up by the overseas press. For Example:

Guardian: Crisis of Japanese youth
The Akihabara district attracts its share of troubled types - typically, socially inept young men who view the world through the prism of manga comics and computer games. But while thousands go there to find acceptance and a kind of camaraderie, Tomohiro Kato arrived there yesterday for very different reasons. The aim of people like Kato "is to make as big an impact as possible," said Nobuo Komiya, a professor of criminology at Rissho University in Tokyo. "They see famous places like Akihabara as a stage, and themselves as the protagonist. It's their way of breaking out of their isolation and getting society's attention. The worst thing is that, in their eyes, they are doing nothing wrong."

Komiya cites the ever-growing income gap in Japan as one of the factors in creating an underclass of young people who go to extremes to break out of their isolation. "The gap between rich and poor is growing at the same time as Japan's information society is becoming more sophisticated," he says. Even government ministers admit that poverty is now at unacceptable levels; that neo-liberal economic reforms have created a low-paid, part-time workforce, the antithesis of the job-for-life security that the Japanese took for granted until the arrival of the "lost decade" of recession and corporate restructuring. While social conservatives are quick to blame the promotion of individualism in Japan's postwar, US-authored education system, few American children would recognise the relentless pressure on their Japanese counterparts to pass exams, and the ease with which the system discards those who fail.

While yesterday's killing spree is an extreme example, Japan has few safety nets for those who feel they are about to reach snapping point. Counselling services lag far behind those in the west, partly due to a strong cultural resistance to discussing personal problems and the stigma attached to mental illness. And Japan's prowess in information technology has only made it easier. Only last month, a government panel called on parents to limit their children's mobile phone use amid a dramatic rise in anonymous bullying on internet school message boards. "The internet means people start believing they can function, find what they are looking for in life without ever having to really interact with another human being," Komiya said. While mercifully few people turn to murder, many more seek escape in ending their own lives. More than 30,000 Japanese people kill themselves every year. Already this year about 300 people, mainly in their 20s and 30s, have taken their own lives by inhaling the deadly gas produced by a concoction of household detergents. Last year the government set aside more than £100m for suicide prevention. While Japan looks kindly on studious pupils and workaholic employees, it can be unforgiving for those who underachieve.
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Postby IkemenTommy » Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:10 am

After yesterday's incident, I bet Japan will fall out of the safest countries ranking.

Running over people with a truck and slashing them with knives? Sounds like this guy was obsessed with Grand Theft Auto.
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Postby halfnip » Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:21 am

It's fucking scary to think about it. Kind of scary like back in the day when people used to just worry about getting robbed or shot in the US for no reason. But nowadays in the US, you can pretty much avoid that stuff by staying out of the "hood" type of areas or by not flashing too much "bling". Here though, you can be standing there waiting for your train and some dumbfuck can decide to give you a bump, or some guy just killing someone "just because I wanted to kill someone". :confused:

I blame how this country looks down on people expressing their opinion's and the whole culture based around sempai/cohai (not that it's bad in all senses) type of shit where people talk to you like you're some fucking idiot just because they have been in the company longer than you. I hear these guys absolutely bash their subordinates and personally, think it's uncalled for. You think that doesn't drive them nuts to the point where they want to "kill" them? Heh, think again...

In other countries, you've got a psych therapist on every block, but what do people here in Japan do? Go to pachinko parlors?
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Postby Jack » Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:23 am

This has been all over the TV news all day here as well. Sad news. It taints Japan's image in a very bad way and magnifies even more the stereotype of Japanese as being ruthless killers that many people have around here, developed by Hollywood war movies.

AK, your comment about the randomness of the killings in Japan, you are on to something.
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Postby omae mona » Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:10 pm

halfnip wrote:It's fucking scary to think about it. Kind of scary like back in the day when people used to just worry about getting robbed or shot in the US for no reason. But nowadays in the US, you can pretty much avoid that stuff by staying out of the "hood" type of areas or by not flashing too much "bling". Here though, you can be standing there waiting for your train and some dumbfuck can decide to give you a bump, or some guy just killing someone "just because I wanted to kill someone". :confused:


Halfnip, you really can't avoid random violence in the U.S. any more than you can in Japan. Just off the top of my head, I can think of three random shootings in the U.S. over the last year. 5 dead in a mall in Illinois, 6 killed by an upset off-duty cop in Wisconsin, and of course the big one: 33 dead at Virginia Tech. None of those took place in dodgy areas. Even adjusted for population size, statistically speaking it's a lot more likely that you end up a victim of random violence in the U.S. than Japan.

The tendency of national news outlets to cover every small crime nationwide, and then to sensationalize it, gives us an inflated sense of the danger in Japan, I think.
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Postby halfnip » Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:25 pm

omae mona wrote:Halfnip, you really can't avoid random violence in the U.S. any more than you can in Japan. Just off the top of my head, I can think of three random shootings in the U.S. over the last year. 5 dead in a mall in Illinois, 6 killed by an upset off-duty cop in Wisconsin, and of course the big one: 33 dead at Virginia Tech. None of those took place in dodgy areas. Even adjusted for population size, statistically speaking it's a lot more likely that you end up a victim of random violence in the U.S. than Japan.

The tendency of national news outlets to cover every small crime nationwide, and then to sensationalize it, gives us an inflated sense of the danger in Japan, I think.


Although there is no excuse for killing someone, I believe the Illinois shooting was attempted robbery and the Wisconsin shooting was a dispute with his girlfriend or something. My point was that this guy just decided to rent a truck, drive all the way down to Akihabara and just "kill anyone". It didn't matter how, and it didn't matter who it was...
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Postby GomiGirl » Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:28 pm

My mother sent me an urgent keitai mail as she is currently in the dark depths of Lithuania (Eastern Europe) and saw the news. Bless her. But we were on our way to visit gomichild and gomibaby so we were well out of the way. Plus the freaks who frequent Akiba really give me the creeps so I tend to avoid that area.
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Postby Kuang_Grade » Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:36 pm

It will be interesting to see what the police investigations into the motivations behind all this will pan out....but I don't know if I buy the 'class warfare/I want to be someone' arguments in the Guardian piece...it sounds a little too pat from 'the problems with freeters' handbook. This is more like the kid who got picked on in school who then goes to shoot up a comic book store. And there are no shortage of other areas where one go berzerk on a Sunday afternoon such as Shibuya or Ginza...If you wanted to run over alot of people in a hurry, I suspect Shibuya crossing is pretty hard to beat (you would also increase your infamy having it all filmed by numerous cameras as well). And if you wanted to stick it to rich folks, Akihabara is probably not best place to find them. It may turn out to simply be that Akihabara was an easy target of opportunity or that he has some specific grievance with some element of the akiba community...ie, you all laughed at my manga, I'll show you. But then again, crazy people don't necessarily have to be rational in their target selection.
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Postby IkemenTommy » Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:28 pm

This is the alleged screen shot of the blog that the suspect wrote before going on the rampage.
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Postby IkemenTommy » Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:35 pm

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Postby xenomorph42 » Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:16 am

halfnip wrote:It's fucking scary to think about it. Kind of scary like back in the day when people used to just worry about getting robbed or shot in the US for no reason. But nowadays in the US, you can pretty much avoid that stuff by staying out of the "hood" type of areas or by not flashing too much "bling". Here though, you can be standing there waiting for your train and some dumbfuck can decide to give you a bump, or some guy just killing someone "just because I wanted to kill someone". :confused:

I blame how this country looks down on people expressing their opinion's and the whole culture based around sempai/cohai (not that it's bad in all senses) type of shit where people talk to you like you're some fucking idiot just because they have been in the company longer than you. I hear these guys absolutely bash their subordinates and personally, think it's uncalled for. You think that doesn't drive them nuts to the point where they want to "kill" them? Heh, think again...

In other countries, you've got a psych therapist on every block, but what do people here in Japan do? Go to pachinko parlors?


So only in the hood you'll always get robbed or mugged because of "bling"? Isn't that generalizing it a tad bit or to insinuate that a certain group of people residing un these areas are more susceptible to violent behavior?
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Postby Iraira » Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:42 am

Strange thing is, I got into more "altercations" in "the good parts of" LA, than I did in the "bad parts". I found people in the wealthier areas were always faster to act like spazzes if you mildly bumped into them on the street. Kinda of the "I'm a badass lawyer/soccer mom living in Beverly Hills, so I can act tough in my Suburban.", whereas in the less well to do areas, people tend to be nicer and actually apologize faster for small things. There seemed to be the feeling, "I know this area isn't so good, so this idiot next to me might be armed and dangerous, so better play it safe."

Dunno what it all means, just my experience.
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Postby Neo-Rio » Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:23 pm

I read in some of the latest atricles about the murderer crying during interrogation.

His comment about always being forced to be a good boy and having to decieve people ring true. The only way to escape madness is to learn to start being honest. I don't want to believe that most Japanese would, instead of taking-it-like-a-man and deal with their issues, that they'd rather pull knives on each other.... like something out of a samurai movie.
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Postby Iraira » Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:00 pm

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In LA we is good at this. But seriously, dude needs to lose a little tonnage, knife wouldn't penetrate the layers to any internal organs.
Sad thing is, it's not an everyday LA thing that one knucklehead goes postal and kills 7 and injures another 10 or so. So this fat fuck helps to boost the image that LA is filled with homicidal maniacs....:ninja3: not since I left.:flame:
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Postby Midwinter » Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:26 pm

Looks like the moron crowd from 2chan are looking to start an internet lynch squad in order to expose those seen grinning in the background during the live news casts. Here's hoping this whole Akiba murder-spree turns into some wonderful breed of self-feeding madness.

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Postby Dragonette » Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:30 pm

Neo-Rio wrote:His comment about always being forced to be a good boy and having to decieve people ring true. The only way to escape madness is to learn to start being honest. I don't want to believe that most Japanese would, instead of taking-it-like-a-man and deal with their issues, that they'd rather pull knives on each other.... like something out of a samurai movie.

Oh yeah, so true, so true!
I've been trying to think of a way to say that too, without sounding like an apologist for mass murder, but you said it well.

I think having to deal with constant "polite" lies, fake smiles, bogus compliments, layers of unfathomable prejudice and pointless okeigo language creates a nation of walking pressure-cookers. The strongest (or the most unthinking) can deal with it, many more engage in very bizarre but nevertheless socially-sanctioned behavior, and the weakest like this guy just go totally haywire and literally attack society at large.

Another tragic side-effect of all this is that it stifles the natural creativity that the Japanese have in abundance. I think for a few post-war decades the world saw that, but now we get goofy TV shows, goofier robots, Hello Kitty and oh, of course, the highest-quality onani machines the world has ever known! :shake:
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Postby omae mona » Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:25 pm

Dragonette wrote: and oh, of course, the highest-quality onani machines the world has ever known! :shake:


Links, please.
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Postby Dragonette » Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:51 pm

omae mona wrote:Links, please.

From this thread:
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Postby Sarutaro » Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:40 pm

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Urgent request from Tokyo Metropolitan Police Department

(The 2nd Pubic Relations Division Tel: 03-3581-4321 ext.21651)

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Many volunteers assisted the police in giving emergency aid to the victims of the Akihabara incident on June 8, 2008. Media Coverage shows that some of these volunteer aid givers were non-Japanese.

Our continuing investigation has revealed to us that one of the victims was a hepatitis B carrier, and therefore, those who gave assistance could have been infected with the disease.

We therefore solicit cooperation from the media, both Japanese and foreign language, to publicize the matter (the message below).

Thank you cordially for your cooperation.

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A message from the Chief of Manseibashi Police Station, Tokyo Metropolitan Police Department


For those who volunteered as helpers to the victims of car-slamming and stabbing incident in Akihabara, Tokyo, on Sunday, June 8, 2008:

If you touched any of the victims or their belongings, we need to contact you immediately because of possible infection with Hepatitis B.

Please contact us by telephone: Manseibashi Police Station (81)-3-3257-0110.

If you need foreign language support, please note your language together with your contact point.
Thank you for your kind attention.

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Postby Mike Oxlong » Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:36 pm

So if that's a legit HepB warning, why wouldn't they advise the volunteers to go to the nearest hospital or clinic for testing. Why is police contact necessary? Am I being paranoid, or is there more to the story?
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Postby Iraira » Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:12 pm

Mike Oxlong wrote:So if that's a legit HepB warning, why wouldn't they advise the volunteers to go to the nearest hospital or clinic for testing. Why is police contact necessary? Am I being paranoid, or is there more to the story?


Given the glaring statement,
Media Coverage shows that some of these volunteer aid givers were non-Japanese.


Allow me to temporarily morph into a fine member of the Manseibashi Police Department.....

"We are merely attempting to ascertain the likelihood that anyone came in contact with a potentially deadly and transmittable virus. If you happen to be a foreigner, you probably already have this virus and several others, and we would just like to acquire a list of carriers, which would be forwarded to Immigration, inserted in your file, which you are not allowed to inspect, and while it is illegal to base the granting/denial of a VISA based on ill-be-gotten medical information, if an employee at the immigration office happened to glance at your medical records, and then by some post-traumatic shock of feeling your viruses on that paper, happened to stamp "VISA DENIED" on your application...well...ho-hum...it's for the safety of the public, y'know."

Morph and rant over....but the paranoia is forever.
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