Safety guideline for Japanese tourists

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Japan fans warned not to fly naval flag
Fri Aug 8, 2008 / BEIJING (Reuters) -Japanese fans attending the Beijing Olympics have been advised not to display the country's "rising sun" naval flag for fear of provoking a backlash from Chinese hosts. The flag is seen by many in Asia as a symbol of Tokyo's wartime militarism. "We explain in a safety guideline for Japanese tourists coming to see the Olympics that the old military flag may cause trouble...more...

[blackcat]

Its odd that the German Government never needed to warn their tourists not to fly the swastika!!

Oh well thats the difference an education makes

[Jack]

Its odd that the German Government never needed to warn their tourists not to fly the swastika!!

Oh well thats the difference an education makes

Blackcat, go fuck yourself.

[rooboy]

As Black Cat and anybody with intelligence recognises, the Germans have educated their people thoroughly about WW2. German people (apart from isolated right wingers) never try to justify their country's Nazi nightmare.

It's a different case in Japan where the perpetrators of similar actions are excused with the whining 'Japan are victims' bullshit. Textbooks that would be seen as filled with fruitcake opinions and lies are not used in German schools unlike in Japan where WW2 atrocities become 'incidents', including the brave Japanese military's forcing Okinawa civilians to kill themselves, and the prolonged slaughter and rape of Nanjing's residents.

Yes, the Germans have been educated. The Japanese - no. That's why they are held in such contempt throughout Asia. Travel nearly everywhere and while the people don't blame today's Japanese for the War, they have contempt for the way in which their government and many citizens refuse
to grow up and acknowledge their role as the Asian Nazis of WW2.

I guess that's what Jack has in common with them.

[maraboutslim]

One supposes these shoes are also off limits:

[xenomorph42]

As Black Cat and anybody with intelligence recognises, the Germans have educated their people thoroughly about WW2. German people (apart from isolated right wingers) never try to justify their country's Nazi nightmare.

It's a different case in Japan where the perpetrators of similar actions are excused with the whining 'Japan are victims' bullshit. Textbooks that would be seen as filled with fruitcake opinions and lies are not used in German schools unlike in Japan where WW2 atrocities become 'incidents', including the brave Japanese military's forcing Okinawa civilians to kill themselves, and the prolonged slaughter and rape of Nanjing's residents.

Yes, the Germans have been educated. The Japanese - no. That's why they are held in such contempt throughout Asia. Travel nearly everywhere and while the people don't blame today's Japanese for the War, they have contempt for the way in which their government and many citizens refuse
to grow up and acknowledge their role as the Asian Nazis of WW2.

I guess that's what Jack has in common with them.

Amen, couldn't have said it better myself.

You also have to realize, the Japanese hate to be criticized on any level, that is why relationships are on a shoestring, so very fragile. Once you do this and they come back at you and open up and have to fully explain themselves or show accountability for a mistake that THEY have made, then usually, the relationship is over. Always remember; "Japan is a land of contradictions." Japanese always want to be perfect, try to be perfect and can't accept anything less.
This is why the society has so much elevated levels of stress, the demand for perfection on ever level is crucial for the Japanese, anything else is unacceptable. I think you really hit the nail on the head. Usually for us, we are taught, you make a mistake, "Acknowledge it, take responsibility and move forward" is pretty much the norm for most Western societies, but not for the Japanese.
Saving face and upholding a positive image is the most important thing for the Japanese and to teach the people in the same manner the Germans taught their people would be a tremendous blow to the Japanese spirit and that image and pride is the embodiment of their character and who they are.

[DrP]

Well, I think its good advise. Last time I was in China during Soccer cup and the Chinese had started to throw down on the J-Embassy (bricks and stuff) , It was pretty clear that any Japanese hangin around would be fair game. It also wouldn't hurt if the J-tourists would learn a few words in the local lingo - talk about 'ugly American' complex -- my direct experience is that Japanese are the ugliest tourists on the planet. Outside their own Island envelope, pretty much everyone despises them.

[Midwinter]

That they even need to issue this warning is deplorable. I mean come on Japan, WAKE UP!

[Jack]

You can all go fuck yourselves if you compare the Japanese to the Nazis. You got a lot to learn you pricks.

[xenomorph42]

You can all go fuck yourselves if you compare the Japanese to the Nazis. You got a lot to learn you pricks.

Why are you so uptight? Is it that possibly a nerve core was so gently struck. Is it plain bliss or utter ignorance that history for some crazy reason eluded you. Let me help you out; the original Axis of Evil was Germany and Japan, they had a pact, the Japanese adored and idolized and embraced the twisted ideas of the Nazi's and to this day, you can still see remnants of Nazi ideology incorporated into this society.

Example; What blood type are you? Why is this shit so important to the Japanese?

Why is it when Japanese are around Germans they always get excited and love to annoy them by constantly telling them, "We were unified and were allies at one point or our cultures are very similar." I had a number of German friends telling me this. Most of them get a little freaked out about it.

And knowing Japanese culture and growing up in Germany, I can say, unrquivacalble without a shadow of doubt, The Japanese and the Germans were connected, admired each other, learned from each other, so in other words...yes, they are the same and to some degree, WORSE!

[Iraira]

You can all go fuck yourselves if you compare the Japanese to the Nazis. You got a lot to learn you pricks.

Congrats, Jack, you've made me change my views on eugenics. I now wholeheartedly support the forced sterilization of morons, idiots, imbeciles, and inbreds....will Jack please step to the front of that line...oh, wait, you're already there.

[Takechanpoo]

As Black Cat and anybody with intelligence recognises, the Germans have educated their people thoroughly about WW2. German people (apart from isolated right wingers) never try to justify their country's Nazi nightmare.

Sorry.
We never had done something like Nazi's holocaust. just had done atrocities like sons of Uncle Sam are currently doing in Iraq. And German people was forgotten by reflecting only holocoaust to Jews. On the other hand, we Japanese have been demanded to reflect on everything we had done in WW2. And European never use Nazi's history as political means although China and Kimchi have used Empire Japan's one as political means many times over. Dont compare German with Japan easily in WW2

And dont pretend to understand everything about Japan despite reading a few articles on internet. So-called "Rape of Nanjin" is nothing but a fake or exaggeration. Remember that.

[Midwinter]

So-called "Rape of Nanjin" is nothing but a fake or exaggeration. Remember that.

A lot of idiots say the same thing about the holocaust. Remember that, pencil dick.

[xenomorph42]

Sorry.
We never had done something like Nazi's holocaust. just had done atrocities like sons of Uncle Sam are currently doing in Iraq. And German people was forgotten by reflecting only holocoaust to Jews. On the other hand, we Japanese have been demanded to reflect on everything we had done in WW2. And European never use Nazi's history as political means although China and Kimchi have used Empire Japan's one as political means many times over. Dont compare German with Japan easily in WW2

And dont pretend to understand everything about Japan despite reading a few articles on internet. So-called "Rape of Nanjin" is nothing but a fake or exaggeration. Remember that.

Dude, whatever it is that you're smoking, please let have a drag off that reefer. It must be psychedelically mind-boggling!:smoking:

[Greji]

A lot of idiots say the same thing about the holocaust. Remember that, pencil dick.

Pencil dick? That's huge for him. Are you inferring that he must have got one of them penis enlargers?

[Neo-Rio]

Saving face and upholding a positive image is the most important thing for the Japanese

Figures then, that they should stop being such assholes.

[kurohinge1]

. . . And dont pretend to understand everything about Japan despite reading a few articles on internet. So-called "Rape of Nanjin" is nothing but a fake or exaggeration. . .

You were not there, how would you know?
I wasn't there either.
The Chinese victims were there, but most were killed.
So that only leaves the former Japanese soldiers:

A documentary recording the testimony of fourteen former Japanese soldiers as they recount atrocities and war crimes committed during the Second World War, including the the infamous Unit 731 medical experimentation group. Having been trained by their country to be nothing but killers, the soldiers claim to have become morally numb and unable to see non-Japanese as even human. Perhaps feeling some remorse for what they have done, they now choose to tell their stories for the world to hear . . . more

[rooboy]

I never made any blanket statements about the actual figures for Nanjing.

Usually figures of any slaughter of magnitude are open to discussion - for example the actual number of Armenians slaughtered by the Turks as their 'solution to the Armenian problem' well before the Nazis came up with their Final Solution, the actual number of Jewish people slaughtered by the Nazis and their allies, the actual number of Chinese people slaughtered by the Japanese military at Nanjing and elsewhere in China.

We can include the number of Iraqui civilian dead in debates - we're still not sure just how many have died tho chances are its much higher than we know through usual information sources.

BUT - to assert all the Holocaust-revisionist type bullshit in the Chinese context is the refuge of pathetic people in denial. The Japanese re-writing of school textbooks in recent years is nothing short of that kind of thing. The Okinawan Govt Assembly made a much publicised stand against those kind of fake histories and showed their displeasure that today's Japanese Govt is still doing neo Nazi like revision and presenting it as fact.

And the fact that the Japanese Govt has to warn its citizens not to fly the fascist Japanese wartime flag does bring associations of why the German Govt doesn't have to do the same for run of the mill German citizens.

The Japanese are so proud of their ignorance - that's the problem. Generally they are the most despised people in Asia and they need to take that wake up call. Their money is welcome, they are not because they do this kind of thing and then turn on the victim act" Why do they hate us?"

[Takechanpoo]

I never made any blanket statements about the actual figures for Nanjing. blah blah blah...

Hey brat,
I dont try to deny many atrocities by Empire Japan all over China. But so-called "Rape of Nanjin" NEVER HAPPENED. Nanjin incident is no more than one of brush wars in China. Something like great masscre never had happened there. Why did'nt following J-troops more than 150 war correspondents including foreign ones report "Rape of Nanjin" at that time? Eeh? After all so-called "Rape of Nanjin" is a fake story consipired and fabricated by Uncle Sam and China in IMTFE to politically pin Japan down forever. Remember that, brat.

[Jack]

Usually figures of any slaughter of magnitude are open to discussion - for example the actual number of Armenians slaughtered by the Turks as their 'solution to the Armenian problem' well before the Nazis came up with their Final Solution, the actual number of Jewish people slaughtered by the Nazis and their allies, the actual number of Chinese people slaughtered by the Japanese military at Nanjing and elsewhere in China.

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The actual numbers in a crime is not important. We may never know how many Armenians were killed in the Genocide but the fact that there was a Genocide is beyond reproach. Or the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust. Does it make it less of a crime if 4.8 million people were killed instead of the 6 million that most people talk about? No. But that is besides the point. Japan never committed an act of Genocide or holocaust. It was war, it was brutal but it was war. Get over it.

[amdg]

but the fact that there was a Genocide is beyond reproach.

Wow. I think you mean beyond question. There's a BIG difference there.

[Midwinter]

But that is besides the point. Japan never committed an act of Genocide or holocaust. It was war, it was brutal but it was war. Get over it.

I'm impressed that you can still type with your face stuffed full of Japanese cock. You and Takechanshitforpersonality should hook up sometime and fist fuck each other. Peace

[Iraira]

But that is besides the point. Japan never committed an act of Genocide or holocaust. It was war, it was brutal but it was war. Get over it.

So, all is fair in war, H-bombs, etc?

[xenomorph42]

The actual numbers in a crime is not important. We may never know how many Armenians were killed in the Genocide but the fact that there was a Genocide is beyond reproach. Or the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust. Does it make it less of a crime if 4.8 million people were killed instead of the 6 million that most people talk about? No. But that is besides the point. Japan never committed an act of Genocide or holocaust. It was war, it was brutal but it was war. Get over it.

You are actually serious?! Japan NEVER committed acts of Genocide or Holocaust??

Then uhh, how would you explain this?

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP3.HTM

http://www.enotes.com/genocide-encyclopedia/japan

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html

http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/nanking.htm


Oh, and to show you I am not a biased person, I sited various News sources to be fair and balanced, that way you can't say I'm Japan bashing. But perhaps the Japanese were just so misunderstood as a nation, it was actually the fault of the US that put the Japanese into that position, therefore, that anyone can say with a straight face that Japan is(excuse me, WAS)an aggressive nation is really inconceivable. Japan just got a bad rap and we are ALL to ignorant and blind for following all of this Western propaganda and for the last 60 years buying into it.

[alphanumeric]

the chinese have proven themselves to be much more effective effective at killing themselves than the japs could have ever aspired.

[blackcat]

"the chinese have proven themselves to be much more effective effective at killing themselves than the japs could have ever aspired."

Oh well that lets them off the hook then. Dickhead!

[Takechanpoo]

the chinese have proven themselves to be much more effective effective at killing themselves than the japs could have ever aspired.

Exactly. So Chinese government(Jiang Zemin) had to inflate the number of casualties killed by Empire Japan to weaken the impression of real great masscre by C-communist party.

[fooj]

Exactly. So Chinese government(Jiang Zemin) had to inflate the number of casualties killed by Empire Japan to weaken the impression of real great masscre by C-communist party.

I don't consider the Chinese angels either, but that's a fucking lame excuse to diminish Japan's role in the war.

I'm have admiration for Japanese culture, but one of the things I can't reconcile about them is their myopic view of the world. They can be real fucktards sometimes.

[DrP]

Hey brat,
I dont try to deny many atrocities by Empire Japan all over China. But so-called "Rape of Nanjin" NEVER HAPPENED. Nanjin incident is no more than one of brush wars in China. Something like great masscre never had happened there. Why did'nt following J-troops more than 150 war correspondents including foreign ones report "Rape of Nanjin" at that time? Eeh? After all so-called "Rape of Nanjin" is a fake story consipired and fabricated by Uncle Sam and China in IMTFE to politically pin Japan down forever. Remember that, brat.

One of my good friends in China (Nanjing actually), took me to meet his grandmother. When she heard I had travelled from Japan she scowled deeply and dropped the shoulder off her dress to show me a heavily scarred arm. An arm (and body) that was pierced more than 10x by Japanese bayonet and sword. She was only 10yrs old at the time. This was typical of the brutality raised by the Japanese soldiers over quite a period of time. Almost any young woman was raped, shot, stabbed and tortured. There was no age limit - from young baby to old woman was treated in this way. This did not happen as the army 'marched' through town on a rampage, but in the course of 'occupation'. Anyone who can say 'it didn't happen' should take a visit directly to Nanjing. There are plenty of witnesses, survivors and artifacts to prove the point.

[Takechanpoo]

One of my good friends in China (Nanjing actually), took me to meet his grandmother. When she heard I had travelled from Japan she scowled deeply and dropped the shoulder off her dress to show me a heavily scarred arm. An arm (and body) that was pierced more than 10x by Japanese bayonet and sword. She was only 10yrs old at the time. This was typical of the brutality raised by the Japanese soldiers over quite a period of time. Almost any young woman was raped, shot, stabbed and tortured. There was no age limit - from young baby to old woman was treated in this way. This did not happen as the army 'marched' through town on a rampage, but in the course of 'occupation'. Anyone who can say 'it didn't happen' should take a visit directly to Nanjing. There are plenty of witnesses, survivors and artifacts to prove the point.

Needless to say, I didn't deny atrocity itself in Nanjin. Empire Japan carried out atrocities not only in Nanjin but also all over China. What I deny is GREAT MASSCRE in Nanjin. Something like that NEVER HAPPENED.