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Shanghai Has Most Japanese Expats

Postby Mulboyne » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:46 pm

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Asahi: Shanghai surpasses New York as overseas city with most Japanese residents
Shanghai surpassed New York as the overseas city with the largest number of long-term Japanese residents, the Foreign Ministry said Wednesday. Shanghai is the largest business center in rapidly growing China, and many Japanese companies are setting up offices there, the ministry said based on its statistics. The statistics showed the number of Japanese staying in cities for three months or longer as of Oct. 1 last year. The figures excluded those with permanent residency status. The number of long-term Japanese residents in Shanghai increased by about 3,700 from last year, when it was ranked No. 2, to 47,731 this year. Many long-term residents in Shanghai were company employees and their families as well as students. Since the ministry started compiling these statistics in 1971, New York had remained in the top spot, but fell to second place this year with 40,068 Japanese residents...By country, however, the United States had the largest number of long-term Japanese residents with 247,771, compared with 126,627 in second-ranked China. Including those with permanent residency status, Los Angeles, which has a large Japanese-American community, was the overseas city with the largest number of Japanese residents, with 61,336. It was followed by New York with 51,705 and Shanghai with 47,794.

The distinctions this article make seem a little odd. Why would you exclude permanent residents from a calculation of the size of the Japanese community? I suppose you could be trying to count "Japanese who are currently abroad but will probably return home". It's also worth noting that China only introduced permanent residence status in August 2004 with a roughly four year qualification period which would explain why the numbers only show 63 Japanese permanent residents in Shanghai.
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Postby Behan » Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:51 pm

The figure for New York is kind of surprising for me. At over 40,000, Japanese non-permanent residents account for perhaps over 5% of NYC's population. One in every 20 people in the Big Apple is non-permanent resident from Japan.
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Postby Mock Cockpit » Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:15 pm

Behan wrote:The figure for New York is kind of surprising for me. At over 40,000, Japanese non-permanent residents account for perhaps over 5% of NYC's population. One in every 20 people in the Big Apple is non-permanent resident from Japan.

You fail at maths.
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Postby Behan » Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:56 pm

Mock Cockpit wrote:You fail at maths.


You are quite right. Barely made it through the medial classes. But still a large number even if it is just a tenth of that.:confused:

I wish I could go back in time and delete that first post altogether.
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Postby Dragonette » Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:27 pm

Behan wrote:You are quite right. Barely made it through the medial classes. But still a large number even if it is just a tenth of that.:confused:

It is a large number, but I'm sure it's true, and seems to be increasing as well; 30 years back, you would see clumps of salaryman types in midtown, not much else, but now you can't go to a park or supermarket without hearing Nihongo.

I know there's a big community in the East Village, but they're also scattered around Manhattan, Queens, even Brooklyn, and not salaryman types, either. The ones I know of are mostly restaurant workers/owners, carpenters, electricians, limo drivers, indie and freelance film people, and like that...
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Postby jim katta » Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:45 pm

These figures might be right for relatively recent expat Japanese, but when it comes to people of Japanese ethnicity, the population leader in the U.S. 'has' to be California, right?
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Postby Behan » Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:51 pm

A web site I looked at earlier said that there were about 17,000 Americans in Tokyo.
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Postby Mock Cockpit » Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:07 pm

Behan wrote:A web site I looked at earlier said that there were about 17,000 Americans in Tokyo.

I saw somewhere a while back that there are more Americans in Hong Kong than in all of Japan (obviously excluding military members). Figure also applies to Australians and Poms I believe. Pretty astounding if true.
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Postby omae mona » Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:13 pm

[quote="Dragonette"]It is a large number, but I'm sure it's true, and seems to be increasing as well]

I'm quite curious about how they track these expats. By contrast, the U.S. government would have no idea where I'm living if it weren't for my filing of tax returns with my Tokyo return address. Anybody know how the Japanese government keeps track of exactly where their expats are?

I wonder if the New York figure includes only people living in the city itself. There is a very sizable expat population in the suburbs, particularly Westchester County and Connecticut. If you ride the Metro North commuter trains that go through towns like Scarsdale or Greenwich, outbound from New York after 9:00 PM, you'd notice that easily 10% of the ridership is Japanese salarymen coming home late from the office. It's impossible not to catch a glimpse of headlines in the Yomiuri Shimbun or Nihon Keizai Shimbun since everybody's reading one or the other.
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Postby Dragonette » Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:47 pm

jim katta wrote:These figures might be right for relatively recent expat Japanese, but when it comes to people of Japanese ethnicity, the population leader in the U.S. 'has' to be California, right?

I don't know for sure, but I imagine so. People of Japanese ethnicity, though, are usually not particularly "Japanese" in anything other than looks. In fact, those I know seem not to have a very clear idea of what modern-day Japanese are all about, and will usually describe them as "quiet, polite, strict, conservative folk". Don't try telling them about binge drinking, kiddy-porn, enjo kosai, etc., they'll just think you're crazy or racist.

I strongly believe that Japanesness is culture, not race (Sorry, Take-poo sama). That's true of anybody of course, but more obvious when the cultural pull is so strong. Most of the J-expats living here even for many years depend on J-bars for their social life, and speak, eat and think exclusively Japanese, and aside from a few token FGs, don't have any "amerikajin" friends. They seem brainwashed about being different, unique, unlike the rest of us...
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Postby Greji » Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:58 pm

Dragonette wrote:They seem brainwashed about being different, unique, unlike the rest of us...
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Seems? No seems about it. They are brainwashed. That's the only way Take can keep members in his flower child club.....
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Postby Mulboyne » Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:42 pm

jim katta wrote:These figures might be right for relatively recent expat Japanese, but when it comes to people of Japanese ethnicity, the population leader in the U.S. 'has' to be California, right?

According to that article, LA is the leader if you include permanent citizens. If you include anyone of Japanese ethnicity - which is less easy to count accurately - then LA would be the top US city but São Paulo would probably be the global leader outside Japan.
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