J-Citizenship and divorce

[baraki]

Hi

I own Japanese Citizenship, and married with japanese wife.
But she wants to divorce..

when i applied for naturalization, they asked us to sign a letter tellling that "we will not divorce after naturalization has been granted"

been married for almost 4 year, got narutalization in april 2008

Will i lose japanese citizenship and my japanese passport ?

Thanks

[IkemenTommy]

Baraki

You can't lose your citizenship when you get in a divorce. I think you are talking about permanent residency status, which is different from citizenship. As far as I know, you can't get Japanese citizenship if you didn't have one at birth.

[baraki]

Hi

No, this is japanese citizenship, i own a Japanese passport now.

[Greji]

Hi

No, this is japanese citizenship, i own a Japanese passport now.

I don't know the exact law, but as far as citizenship goes, you cannot lose it for a civil matter such as divorce, and the paper they had you sign cannot be legally binding under those circumstances.

[baraki]

Hi

Thanks!

I asked this because rules are not very clear in japan.

It make nonsense if PR Owner cannot lose their status after divorce, a naturalized guy will..

I was just worried about that s*t of paper they asked to sign.

[omae mona]

when i applied for naturalization, they asked us to sign a letter tellling that "we will not divorce after naturalization has been granted"

Baraki, I do not think that letter really said what you think it said. I think you should read it again, carefully.

The other responses are correct - you cannot lose Japanese citizenship because of your marital status.

[Behan]

This sounds like something you might want to ask Debito about.

[baraki]

Thank you all!

I know Debito divorced 2 year ago?where can i contact him?

Thank

[Samurai_Jerk]

As far as I know, you can't get Japanese citizenship if you didn't have one at birth.

Wrong. You can. It just ain't that easy.

Baraki, since you're going to have to talk to a lawyer anyway you may as well ask him about this too, but I can't imagine you could lose citizenship for divorce no matter what the paper you signed said.

[omae mona]

Baraki - I am assuming you followed the guidelines and relinquished your old citizenship when you naturalized. If you lost your Japanese citizenship, you would become a Stateless person, with no legal right to be in any country. I am sure the Japanese government does not turn people into refugees because of a divorce. We would have heard about that in the news.

Here is a link to the gyousei-shoshi association's information about naturalization and citizenship, and specifically the section about how to lose your citizenship. Of course this is not an official government site, but it sounds pretty trustworthy to me. They list 4 ways to lose Japanese citizenship. You should read through it in detail, but all 4 of the reasons are related to dual citizenship, and none of them are related to divorce.

Good luck! If you are unfortunate and do become a stateless person, please let us know which airport you decide to live in, so we can come to visit you. I heard Charles De Gaulle airport is very welcoming to long-term residents

[baraki]

thanks omae mona!

Yes Charles De gaule is good for long stayer HAHAH:p

[Iraira]

If you become "stateless" just move to Antartica, just slip the immigration penguin a few anchovies and you're in.

[TFG]

Baraki

You can't lose your citizenship when you get in a divorce. I think you are talking about permanent residency status, which is different from citizenship. As far as I know, you can't get Japanese citizenship if you didn't have one at birth.

If you didn't have Japanese citizenship by birth and getting Japanese citizenship exists as it obviously does. Isn't this contradictory.

Of course anyone can get Japanese citizenship if they meet the criteria, my GF's sister just got it and it is easier to get citizenship than permanent residence, it always has been.
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Baraki, your wife has been trying to intimidate you with this bullshit, you CAN NOT LOSE your JP Citizenship. Even if someone committed murder, they could not lose citizenship because you have already given up your original nationality and they could not make a situation where someone would have NO nationality now could they.

You DON'T need to worry about this.

But what you do need to worry about is your divorce.
Get a lawyer, and this next part is very important.
Record any an all conversations with your wife, make notes about everything, if you own a house, get copies of the deeds to the house , the land, mortgage payment receipts, your own payslip, and everything you have ever contributed.

If you contend the divorce, you will both have to attend the Domestic court, where they will try to get you both to conciliate. This will take a year or so until they reach a deadlock. then the court case will start and even then the judge will try to get you both to sort out your differences amiably, if this fails, the judge will take it to court.
If your wife files divorce papers against you, a lawyer will want over 1,000,000 just to look over the case before they even start the case.

I know, I just got divorced in May and am now foot loose a fancy free.


And remember, this isn't the END...

It is simply a NEW BEGINNING!

[baraki]

TFG

Thank you so much for your support in such difficult situation..

You right about Citizenship and PR.
The lawyer who helped me to take citizenship said the same thing. It is far more difficult to take PR than citizenship, you are turned down more easily when applying PR.
the difference between PR and Citizenship, Citizenship take more time and need more paper stuff, interviews, (i had kanji test and many interviews) while for PR we do not need to do that. PR need only to fill up a form and can be clear in 4 months.

[Catoneinutica]

I heard Charles De Gaulle airport is very welcoming to long-term residents

If you do end up at CDG, make sure it's Terminal 2. Terminal 1 isn't very welcoming to anyone.

[TFG]

TFG

Thank you so much for your support in such difficult situation..

You right about Citizenship and PR.
The lawyer who helped me to take citizenship said the same thing. It is far more difficult to take PR than citizenship, you are turned down more easily when applying PR.
the difference between PR and Citizenship, Citizenship take more time and need more paper stuff, interviews, (i had kanji test and many interviews) while for PR we do not need to do that. PR need only to fill up a form and can be clear in 4 months.

Another tip from personal experience.
Join FG friends on this board and bang as many women as you can.
I even took them back to my ex wife's house while she had buggered off and banged them in her bed. Can't get much more poetic justice than that.

Just have a good time till you meet someone you really like.
Watch out for the women on FG friends though, a lot of them a suicidal nutters.

Have fun.

[baraki]

Thanks for the advice.

I think i will clear all the stuff, calm down my self, studying some new IT certifications, and maybe take good time after.

At the moment, the only thing i want is peace...But it is totally different feeling when you see, even on forum board, that some people are trying to support you. few words make things differents in such situation.

Let be positive! im only 29 years old after all

Thank you all !

[Behan]

[Mike Oxlong]

Hopefully there are no kids to suffer through the divorce. Even if not, CRN Japan is always a good source of info...

[TFG]

Thanks for the advice.

I think i will clear all the stuff, calm down my self, studying some new IT certifications, and maybe take good time after.

At the moment, the only thing i want is peace...But it is totally different feeling when you see, even on forum board, that some people are trying to support you. few words make things differents in such situation.

Let be positive! im only 29 years old after all

Thank you all !

Well, I have almost been here that long.

There is hope for you yet. ROTFL:lol:

[CrankyBastard]

Another tip from personal experience.
Join FG friends on this board and bang as many women as you can.
I even took them back to my ex wife's house while she had buggered off and banged them in her bed. Can't get much more poetic justice than that.

Just have a good time till you meet someone you really like.
[color="black"][color="black"][color="Red"]Watch out for the women on FG friends though, a lot of them a suicidal nutters.[/color][/color][/color]

Have fun.

Or better still....................
Watch out for the advice given by nutters who bang nutters!

[TFG]

Oh I get it..

We want to keep the thread as it was originally intended, to help a guy was in need.
That was until Crakybastard opened his big obnoxious mouth.

I will pop over to the new thread.

Tidelooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

And good luck with your situation man.