Multiple Puters w/ YahooBB

[GuyJean]

This is a really lame question, but it's driving me crazy;

I have 3 computers linked to an ethernet hub, which is connectd to the YahooBB modem. (Yes, the uplink cable is in the correct port). I can't access the Internet with all three computers. Only one at a time.. Can't they share the connection with the TCI/IP on DHCP?

It's driving me crazy because I have almost the identical set-up at a neighborhood guest house, where 3 computers and an Airport can all access the Net at the same time.. What the fluck?

GJ

[Caustic Saint]

The difference is they're using a router and you're using a hub. A router tells the BB modem that there's one device hooked up, then provides unique IP addresses to the computers connected to it. A hub allows data to pass between the computers, but doesn't resolve the IP issues, so the BB modem will only let one of them get online.

[Big Booger]

What you can do is hook up a main Server machine to the hub and modem.

Then use ICS with the other two machines to the server machine.. but you will need 2 NICs installed like below:


You'd be better off to get a router. You might even consider a wireless routing solution and get a PCI wireless card for your machines. then you have no wires to worry about

Trust me I have 3 PCs networked and a laptop, and it looks like the inside of C3PO in my 3ldk hehehehe


I recommend the following site for help:
http://practicallynetworked.com/sharing/

[Andocrates]

Yea, router all the way. I have a D-link router and never a problem. It replaced a link-sys router which was always losing the IP address and blocked a ton of websites (including my own e-mail)

[Caustic Saint]

Has anybody ever used a wireless Mac with a non-Airport router? I want to get my iBook wireless again, but don't want to pay Apple's price for the Airport Base Station.

Also, how do router prices in Japan compare to those in the US? Any ideas?

[GargoyleTS]

GJ, if you do get a wireless router, make sure you take the time to learn how to secure it. Why share access and data with anyone drivin by eh?

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

Hey, Nerd Alert!!!!

[Caustic Saint]

GJ, if you do get a wireless router, make sure you take the time to learn how to secure it. Why share access and data with anyone drivin by eh?

Better yet, secure your computer but leave the net access freely accessable. Japan needs more free hotspots.

When I was in Tokyo I had to keep going to Akihabara to sit outside the same cafe to snag access.

[GuyJean]

Thanks everyone!!

GJ

[Big Booger]

I think a wireless Mac will work on any wireless router as long as they are the same wireless type..

Example 802.11a, b, g etc...

But I am not 100% sure. The best way to do it, would be to take your wireless machine into the store and ask. They can most likely test it out and tell you if it works.

ABout the cost of routers: JAP VS US, they are about the same.

My 4 port wireless router cost about $225-250 with 1 wireless NIC. It was an I/O DATA wireless router. ABout the same in America.

Securing a wireless connection couldn't be easier. Have a look at this FAQ:
http://www.iss.net/wireless/WLAN_FAQ.php

I have mine setup fairly secure, and really in the area that I live, I am sure no one has the technical expertise to steal my bandwidth.. I run a network traffic analyzer that let's me monitor it well.. I recommend most of you to do the same if you are worried about your wireless network

[Caustic Saint]

ABout the cost of routers: JAP VS US, they are about the same.

My 4 port wireless router cost about $225-250 with 1 wireless NIC. It was an I/O DATA wireless router. ABout the same in America.

Not recently. WiFi is getting pushed big-time now. In this week's Sunday newspaper ads I saw two different 802.11.b routers (with 4 Cat-5 ports) for $49.99 after rebates. $69.99 if you don't want to do the mail-in stuff. I'll get one here before I head over.

[Steve Bildermann]

I have mine setup fairly secure, and really in the area that I live, I am sure no one has the technical expertise to steal my bandwidth

..or even logon right. (inside joke)

This man runs a TIGHT server

[GargoyleTS]

Yo Caustic, shouldn't be too much of a hassle or compatiblity prob running you Mac on a different type of Wireless router. May wanna look up info on the darker side of the net about network detection software, SSID emulation (or programming I haven't played with Airoport yet) etc...

Also probly be fun ( and dangerous) to do a little war-driving while in Japan.

[Caustic Saint]

Yo Caustic, shouldn't be too much of a hassle or compatiblity prob running you Mac on a different type of Wireless router. May wanna look up info on the darker side of the net about network detection software, SSID emulation (or programming I haven't played with Airoport yet) etc...

Also probly be fun ( and dangerous) to do a little war-driving while in Japan.

Thanks for the tips. I had no trouble with my wireless service in Korea, and my iBook's on regular 802.11.b. Korea Telecom has phenomenal coverage in Seoul - if you use their service. I upgraded my DSL there to include the wireless package (about $8 more a month) and could get online practically anywhere in the city. They even post signs labelling areas where there's coverage.

I've got a couple good sniffer progs, but haven't used 'em that much. Didn't need to in Korea, and the US is woefully short on WiFi, unless you want to go to Starbucks or Kinko's and get reamed.

Good site for finding hotspots - WiFinder.

[gpvillamil]

I'm pretty sure you can just plug in a router and the PCs behind it will all be able to share a single IP address. Depending on what kind of applications you are running you may need to do a little bit of configuring to allow them to run through NAT and such, but it's not really that tricky.

If Yahoo! BB is using PPoE, find a router that can handle the PPoE login itself (pretty much all the Linksys and D-Link ones) and just present a "vanilla" Ethernet connection to the PCs.

Get one with a wireless base station built-in and it will work with your Mac too.

[GomiGirl]

We moved around the office last year and I have quite a few spare Fast Ethernet Switch (Routers) that I am able to sell really cheaply (about Y3,000+takkyubin).

Details:

Netgear, 8 port, 10/100Mbps Fast Ethernet Switch

Model FS 2108


These are all in their pretty little boxes. Just like new.

PM me if you want them. I have about 10 or so.

Japanese explanation page

[Caustic Saint]

GG,

A switch and a router aren't the same thing. A switch is really just a hub that passes information faster, since all the ports can be in use at the same time. It won't handle the IP issues like a router will.

For a good explanation of the differences between hubs, switches and routers, click here.

[GomiGirl]

ooppss you are quite correct and have spotted that I know next to nothing about NAT's and networking..

But the switches are still good...

and my talents lie in playing with small electrical wireless devices that don't deal with icky cables 'n stuff.

[Big Booger]

You can hook that switch to a router and have 8 ports for workstations

..or even logon right. (inside joke)

This man runs a TIGHT server

PM me, I have it settled now, I think

[Caustic Saint]

I made the jump back to WiFi today. Traded my Linksys 4-port wired router for a D-Link DI-604+ WiFi (802.11.b) router (with 4 wired ports) at Office Depot. Installed in a snap and it's been getting along great with my Mac. No issues or anything. And the new router was cheaper than the old one, so I got $10 back to boot!

I'll be toting it back to Asia this fall. (Sadly, the job I was hoping for in Japan has fallen though , so it's back to Korea for a year. But after that, I'll go to Tokyo to see what adventures/work/play I can find. )