Yakuza whack another Japanese family

[cstaylor]

http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/news/20030621p2a00m0dm009001c.html

The officers added that Matsumoto had borrowed some 25 million yen from financial institutions to apparently finance his business activities.

[GuyJean]

That's pretty tragic, considering the kids were 8 and 11.. Do you really think it was the Yaks?

I'm curious to see which story gets more play in the Japanese press; the Okinawan rape, or Fukuoka family slaughter.. Both are terrible crimes, but whacking a whole family, cutting them up, then dumping them... Eeew.

GJ

[blackcat]

what a cruel world.
11 and 8. for fucks sake...over what money?

[Andocrates]

I'm sure they were chinese gangsters.

[Taro Toporific]

what a cruel world.
11 and 8. for fucks sake...over what money?

Well that was 25 million or more than $214,000 USD.

Often if the heat about the murder gets hot in the press, the Yat-chan will force one of their left-overs to confess. So time will tell what will happen...

[cstaylor]

The keyword is "financial institutions"... that's a euphamism for "Yakuza-backed consumer lending companies"

[Taro Toporific]

[kotatsuneko]

jingle : ya ku za wa ca shin gu..

screw cashing, i like the way that guy set fire to that fucker a while ago, or the one who stabbed his boss, that was cool, even better the 2 places that got hit in iwamizawa a few months back, shame no one got hit..

this country stinks of shit, in sapporo there are some buildings that have notices saying they are free of boryokuden / they must not enter the building with a phone number to call if you see one , i must get a photo of one when i get the time, so i mean, what about all the other buildings? how can this country have a "police force" when i went to the matsuri a while ago, most of the men working there sported back/arm tattoos, and everyone knows how they co erce/force young women from around to japan into their vans, get them pregnant and are forced to work for them doing the matsuri tour..

a point of non interest, i never got to meet my uncle in law as he was killed by yakuza, the police did almost fuck all about it apparently, his murderer was never identified.

[kotatsuneko]

the forcing of left overs to confess is limited to a group really down the drains in trouble or failure

normally, they have know a good few people who will confess and go to jail for good hard cash, thats why youll find most soaplands/cabaret /cashing places are registered in these peoples names, not the real owner, so if something happens, they go to jail instead, having been paid a huge amount as a retainer, with another large payment depending on the charge and jail term.

though for murder , i would agree some poor shit would get forced into confessing

i have heard more than i wish to on the subject of yakuza, a friend of the wife used to be one, and did the traditional way of leaving, he paid a huge amount of cash

makes you want to do a taxi driver at times, but who is worse here? organised crime, or organised religion? i hope the next cult that emerges gets a heap of russian arms and takes out one of the groups at least..

[cstaylor]

[Andocrates]

It always amazes me when I talk to Japanese people who act like there isn't any crime in Japan, and what crime there is is perpertrated by Chinese and Koreans (we escape the pointing figure for now, but if those sailors don't quit raping people that could change)

[Taro Toporific]

[GargoyleTS]

Time to have a new inkan carved to proclaim property and stamp everything with that ink! Then you can give the police (if it actually matters) a copy of your "property inkan" to compare with. Could drop off black ink copies with the local pawn shops too...

[jez]

this country stinks of shit

Obviously not quite as much as Blighty, eh...?

It always amazes me when I talk to Japanese people who act like there isn't any crime in Japan, and what crime there is is perpertrated by Chinese and Koreans

Ever had a debate on this issue with your Japanese friends? Might be more productive than complaining about Japanese here.

[Big Booger]

Best deal with notebook is to BIOS password protect it.. the only way they are going to reset it is to pull the farking CMOS.. which in a notebook is not the easiest thing to do

I heard that soon there will be written into the BIOS of notebooks a way for it, if it ever connects to the internet, to call home and you'll get their IP addy from it.. which will lead to an eventual arrest..

As for the police here, you're definitely better off doing your own investigation or hiring a private authority to try to recover your goods or bring justice.

[Taro Toporific]

Best deal with notebook is to BIOS password protect it...As for the police here, you're definitely better off doing your own investigation or hiring a private authority to try to recover your goods or bring justice.

All the data/email/porno on my notebook's hard disk was in PGP partions. And the J-cops actually caught the Chinese gang. None of the stolen goods were recovered---the thieves melted down all the jewlery and shipped the notebooks to China.

The cops made SURE I could not confront the thieves.
I assume they were tortured for the standard 21 days and deported since there was no public court date for them. The liason police-girl at Kanagawa keisatsu honbu here in Kannai laughed with me over a lot green tea during my many inquiries. She confessed quite honestly that wages in Japanese prison were higher than the average wage in China so keeping them in Japan was not a great idea.

[GuyJean]

I'm sure they were chinese gangsters.

How did you know!!

NHK just released a 'rough' sketch of a Chinese student they suspect killed the family. He conveniently left Japan 4 days after the murders, so he's lost forever in China, the Yaks are free, and of course this tragedy can be blamed on gaijin.

Um, what happened to the 'multiple footprints outside the house', the argument with a strange woman late at night with a man waiting in a car, and the unpaid debt the family owed the Yaks?...

It makes much more sense that ONE Chinese student would break into the home, kill the whole family, steal nothing, then sink the corpses to bottom of the river using dumbells.. 'made in Taiwan'!, BTW....

(The night of the murder, NHK actually mentioned WHERE the dumbells and handcuffs were made as it was some sort of clue. Guess where; Taiwan and China.)

Street justice is the only justice, IMO.

GJ

[cstaylor]

I don't know which is sadder: the fact that the only evidence they have so far is that this guy "possibly purchased dumbells and handcuffs", or that the suspect has flown the coop and conveniently can't be arrested.

Chalk another one up to the incompetence of the Japanese police force.

[Taro Toporific]

Street justice is the only justice, IMO.

Sounds like a paid hit and just a Chinese fall guy who got paid to buy some barbells to me...

Fukuoka police suspect the murder plan was organized by Matsumoto's Japanese acquaintances who held grudges against the businessman, because the assailants badly bashed Matsumoto and went on to kill his innocent children.

Police are probing whether the Chinese student received payment from any suspicious persons. (Mainichi Shimbun, Japan, Aug. 4, 2003)

[GuyJean]

Sounds like a paid hit and just a Chinese fall guy who got paid to buy some barbells to me...

I CANNOT believe the way investigations are done here!.. I mean, there are corrupt cops in the States as well, but at least there are lawyers (actually TOO many) to help the wrongly accused. I just watched a documentary this weekend called "A Murder on a Sunday Morning", about a German tourist who was killed in Florida. The cops beat a 15 year old innocent black kid into confession, but the kid's lawyer ended up screwing the cops, getting him off, then actually going out and finding the REAL killer..

This Chinese kid is fucked; his face plastered all over the evening news in a country already suspicious of anything foreign, especially Chinese. I hope he returns to Japan, hires the best lawyer, and screws the Yakuza owned cops.. It's minutely possible he's guilty, but come on..

Here's their case:
- The sketch made by the police from the store's video camera looks like a Chinese student in the area. (But has the public seen the video image? No.)
- The Chinese student left 'hastily' 4 days after the murders. Why? "Because he ran out of money."
- He never said "Hello" to his neighbors.
- Oh, he's Chinese.

There you have it... He's guilty as sin.

My take on the 'police/Yakuza' investigation:
1: find out if there are any 'foreigners' living in the area of the murder. check.
2: see if the foreigner resembles the video image, or could be made to resemble it. check.
3: find out if the foreigner left the area. check.
4: Case closed.

But a new 'polic-uza' recruit chimes in,

"What about the debt the family owed to this Yakuza-owned loan company? Or the loud argument with a strange lady on the same night of the murder? Or the multiple footprints outside the house? And where is the connection between the guilty Chinese kid and the family? How do they know each other?"

"Son. No more riding shot-gun on the black bus. You better keep your 'wa' in check".

The funny thing is, I guess.. I HAVE THOSE EXACT SAME DUMBELLS THEY KEEP SHOWING ON TV!

I'm tired.....

GJ

[Taro Toporific]

The funny thing is, I guess.. I HAVE THOSE EXACT SAME DUMBELLS THEY KEEP SHOWING ON TV!

Dang, you've got the "SAME DUMBELLS". Logically then, you must be the paid hit man. And you live in my neighborhood! DUMBELL logic.

[cstaylor]

I hope he returns to Japan, hires the best lawyer, and screws the Yakuza owned cops..

Johnny Cochrane they ain't.

[GuyJean]

Chinese student linked to Fukuoka family's vicious murder
http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/news/20030804p2a00m0dm011000c.html

Investigators said the unnamed student, who returned to China in mid-July, was apparently employed by the Japanese murderers of Shinjiro Matsumoto, his wife and two children, to purchase the items and did not take part in the actual killing.

The Chinese student in his early 20s was captured on a security camera at a retail outlet when he bought four sets of handcuffs and two weights on June 18.

Police believe at least three assailants burst into Matsumoto's home in the city's Higashi-ku late on June 19. They choked Matsumoto and his wife until they were unconscious and strangled their children aged 11 and 8. The assailants placed handcuffs and weights on the family members and dumped them in a deserted area off the Hokozaki dock in Hakata Port. The Matsumoto couple drowned there. Police published sketches of a man who bought the handcuffs and weights on July 22.

Investigators collected the student's fingerprints from the room but they did not match the fingerprints found in Matsumoto's Mercedes that was used by the assailants to transport the bodies to the dock.

The assailants also left numerous footprints in the Matsumoto home but none of the shoes left in the student's apartment matched them, prompting police to believe he was not directly involved in the killings.

Elementary! My Dear Wat-san!

GJ

[Taro Toporific]

Chinese student linked to Fukuoka family's vicious murder
http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/news/20030804p2a00m0dm011000c.html

Investigators said the unnamed student, who returned to China in mid-July, was apparently employed by the Japanese murderers of Shinjiro Matsumoto, his wife and two children, to purchase the items and did not take part in the actual killing.

Elementary! My Dear Wat-san!

No, no, wait. The Japanese murderer OBVIOUSLY was this guy in Fukuoka who did it.

Female impersonator fools date and cops - - until wig falls
Japan Times, Aug 5... Speaking in a high-pitched voice, Sakaguchi reportedly arranged a meeting with a 40-year-old company employee from the city of Fukuoka early July 7. ...

[Socratesabroad]

It always amazes me when I talk to Japanese people who act like there isn't any crime in Japan, and what crime there is is perpertrated by Chinese and Koreans

Ever had a debate on this issue with your Japanese friends? Might be more productive than complaining about Japanese here.

I go with Andocrates - This is not a complaint, it is fact. As you may not have noticed, the police in this country have a propensity towards targeting foreigners as suspects in many violent crimes. For those of us in Tokyo, remember the family murder in Setagaya a bit back? Initial police suspicisions involved foreigners (specifically Chinese) because the shoe prints at the scene were from a Chinese make of shoe and potential witness testimony even partially corroborated the 'Chinese suspect' theory, though it all fell apart later.

When someone commits a vehicular crime here, we don't hear about the make or model of car - guess what, it's probably Japanese. But a violent crime - hey, there must be something to link it to a foreigner. Like a Swiss watch...or a German-engineered car... or a PC made in Taiwan...

Come on, foreigners make up less than 2% of the population in Japan. And they commit about 3% (depending on the year) of the crime. So where's the emphasis on the 97% of criminals who are Japanese?

[cstaylor]

Cops would have a much better chance of catching criminals if they followed proper forensic procedures and stopped relying on confessions.

[Taro Toporific]

Cops would have a much better chance of catching criminals if they followed proper forensic procedures and stopped relying on confessions.

Here's an interesting idea of a JAPANESE critic's idea about the police selectively enforcing the law...

''Put Economic Sanctions on Pachinko,'' psychiatrist Hideki Wada reveals an ingenious plan...
.... a policy of depriving North Korea of foreign currency. ... three sources of funds remitted legally and illegally to that country: sales of ballistic missiles and other weapons of mass destruction]''If the police stopped selectively enforcing the law [/u]and cracked down on illegal activities [such as the sale of narcotics and pachinko gambling] in one fell swoop,'' Wada stresses, it would be an effective way to halt North Korea's nuclear development.

Pachinko parlors, many of which are operated by North Koreans living in Japan, are big business, taking in close to 20 trillion yen annually. If the government recognized pachinko as a pastime that has taken root among the populace and took the same percentage of the money wagered as it does from publicly operated gambling, it would help local governments strengthen their fiscal bases, and the finances of the pachinko business would become clear. (''Pachinko tobaku ni keizai seisai o,'' Voice, August 2003.)

[Naniwan Kid]

How do you say "RACIST" in Japanese? I guess I shouldn't be surprised anymore, but it still amazes me these guys will attach thier names to news articles which spout such ignorance.

[Taro Toporific]

[quote="&quot"]http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/news/20030621p2a00m0dm009001c.html
[quote]

Here's a strange set of counter-examples...

Hysteria over rising crime rates hits Japan
(FT.com / Aug 09)
Anyone reading Japanese newspapers or watching the sensationalist television coverage these days might conclude that Japan is in the midst of a ghastly crime wave... some experts say the impression that Japan is descending into an abyss of violent crime is mistaken.

A recent report by National Policy Agency on juvenile delinquency, for example, found juvenile crime rose 2.3 per cent in 2002 to 141,755 cases. However, closer study reveals that juveniles committing violent crimes actually fell 13.4 per cent to just 15,954. The main statistical jump, 15.5 per cent, was actually in "juvenile delinquents who received police guidance" - either for smoking or "late-night roaming".

Research by the Tokyo Institute of Technology showed violent crime has dropped by as much 90 per cent over the past four decades.

...focal point for a growing paranoia about crime, particularly the alleged explosion of incidents in which foreigners are involved, as well as new types of felonies such as violent crimes linked to online dating.

Sadakazu Tanigaki of the National Public Safety Commission said: "The most apparent factors of the worsening public safety situation are crimes committed by foreigners and juveniles."

[Captain Japan]

[quote="&quot"][quote="&quot"]http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/news/20030621p2a00m0dm009001c.html
[quote]

Here's a pretty hopeless point of view. I get the feeling there is another word other than internationalization that this guy is wanting to use.

Police alone can no longer keep society safe
(Asahi.com)

Yet, Japan's ``internationalization'' can neither be stemmed nor reversed. And unless steps are taken to deal with the negative impact of ``internationalization,'' the situation can only get worse.