After 39 Years Gov. Admits Narita Was A Mistake

[Buraku]

Fucking sell those 3rd class airport shitholes off to the Yanks !!
the USA might buy 'em up and use them or something good or at least use them as military nuclear test sites

Only trouble is I think uncle Sam is getting stuck for cash, shit like Katrina is costing the USA and those jihadists that have got a foothold in Iraq are big a money drain

[Buraku]

Japan risk: Infrastructure risk
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/-japan-risk-infrastructure-risk-/2006/07/06/1706165.htm
Nippon has more than 20 important regional airports serving domestic routes, the most important of which is Haneda in Tokyo. It also has two main international airports: Narita, which serves Tokyo and its environs; and Kansai, which serves Osaka, Kobe and Kyoto. Kansai has struggled since opening in the mid-1990s, reflecting both its heavy debt burden and the failure to attract significant passenger volumes. Kansai is also likely to suffer further after the opening in mid-February 2005 of Chubu airport in neighbouring Aichi prefecture. Chubu also serves international routes, particularly those to Asia; heavily financed by the private sector, it will start operations in considerably better financial shape than did Kansai.

[DUCK]

Narita is a typical strange duck.

Quack?

[AssKissinger]

Quack?

Suck a dick kamome

[GuyJean]

Suck a dick kamome

Suck a duck kamo?

[DUCK]

[canman]

I just came back from Tokyo, had to take my nephew back, and can't beleive what a rip off the Narita Express is. He had a JR pass, so his ticket was free so to speak, but I had to pay Y6400 to go from Shinjuku to Narita dn back to Tokyo station. Hell his whole 4 day flex pass was only Y16000.
I also think that Narita is a long way out, but not any further than Edmonton's international airport. Finally the city is growing out to it, but its a good 40 to 50 minute drive out there, into the middle of Leduc.

[ichigo partygirl]

Just for reference if you can be bothered lugging your shit around you can get subway/train (change once or twice) from shimbashi for 1,100yen - not JR though and takes about 90mins. Narita express and the Airport buses are a complete rip off.

[nullpointer]

Just for reference if you can be bothered lugging your shit around you can get subway/train (change once or twice) from shimbashi for 1,100yen - not JR though and takes about 90mins. Narita express and the Airport buses are a complete rip off.

If it's the Yokosuka-sen you are talking about, then it is indeed JR.

[ichigo partygirl]

If it's the Yokosuka-sen you are talking about, then it is indeed JR.

Nope I dont think its JR. its the Asakusa subway line to from shimbashi to oshiage, and then change To the keisei line which takes you all the way to the airport. Its one ticket the whole way through and should be just under 90mins if you manage to get the express. I think its a bit cheaper than JR??? Seemed to be popular anyway as the train was packed with Japanese with suitcases.
It may be JR and i just missed the signs so sorry if im mistaken

[Mulboyne]

Nope I dont think its JR. its the Asakusa subway line to from shimbashi to oshiage, and then change To the keisei line which takes you all the way to the airport. Its one ticket the whole way through and should be just under 90mins if you manage to get the express. I think its a bit cheaper than JR??? Seemed to be popular anyway as the train was packed with Japanese with suitcases.
It may be JR and i just missed the signs so sorry if im mistaken

It is the Keisei line and I've often gone that way. If you check the timetables then you can usually time it get a train bound for Narita Airport from any station on the Toei Asakusa line without having to change at Oshiage. If you do need to change then there are more connections and more Narita-bound trains further up the track at Aoto or Takasago. If you want to pay extra, you can connect with the Skyliner but it doesn't really save much time. Shimbashi is a good departure point because it is easy to get to but if you are connecting via the Yamanote line then go for Gotanda. It is nearer the start of the line so you can get a seat more easily and it is a shorter walk than at Shimbashi.

[canman]

WTF why is it taking them almost 4 years to build an extra 400 meters to the current runway.
"The company plans to begin construction Friday for starting the use of the runway by March 2010."
I mean I know Japanese construction companies are slow, but that is rediculous.

[Tommybar]

For those who need to get to Yokohama and beyond from the airport, the YCAT bus service is GREAT. I just got back from Korea and it took 1:25 minutes to get to Yokohama from Narita Airport. And NO stops in between. A little bit of a pain to carry luggage through the train station to get to my train, but it was very comfortable.

[Buraku]

Too right they made a mistake, they could have put the aiport on odaiba or made Haneda the international airport but nooooooooo too simple. Let's make the tourist who aren't put off by high airport taxes even more angry by making them travel an hour just to get to Tokyo station. What other developed world as it's major international airport so far from the city?!!

1,500 passengers had to sleep in Narita Airport
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20061008TDY03002.htm



Japan, U.S. agree on return of airspace
About 400 flights a day to and from Tokyo's two main airports of Narita and Haneda are forced to take less-efficient routes when approaching from the west to avoid passing through the U.S.-controlled airspace, which includes parts of Tokyo and surrounding areas, according to airline officials.
American troops have been stationed in Japan since the end of World War II. The U.S. keeps about 50,000 troops in Japan under a mutual security pact.
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/15863837.htm

Most busy Airports
1. Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport - 83,606,583
2. O'Hare International Airport (Chicago) - 75,533,822
3. Heathrow Airport (London) - 67,344,054
4. Haneda Airport (Tokyo) - 62,291,405
5. Los Angeles International Airport - 60,688,609
6. Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport - 59,412,217
7. Paris-Charles de Gaulle Airport - 51,260,363
8. Frankfurt Airport - 51,098,271
9. Amsterdam Airport Schiphol - 42,541,180
10. Denver International Airport - 42,393,766
11. McCarran International Airport (Las Vegas) - 41,441,531
12. Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport - 39,504,898
13. Madrid Barajas Airport - 38,704,731
14. Bangkok International Airport - 37,960,169
15. John F. Kennedy International Airport (New York City) - 37,518,143
16. Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport - 36,713,173
17. Hong Kong International Airport - 36,711,920
18. George Bush Intercontinental Airport (Houston) - 36,506,116
19. Detroit Metropolitan Wayne County Airport - 35,187,517
20. Beijing Capital International Airport - 34,883,190
21. San Francisco International Airport - 32,247,746
22. Newark Liberty International Airport - 31,947,266
23. London Gatwick Airport - 31,461,454
24. Orlando International Airport - 31,143,388

25. Narita International Airport (Tokyo) - 31,057,252

[Buraku]

JAL Group Announces FY2007-2010 Medium Term Revival Plan; Strengthening Safety, Focusing on Customers, Rebuilding the Business Foundation and Realizing Stable Profits
http://www.japancorp.net/Article.Asp?Art_ID=14124
While securing high levels of safety that are the foundation of the company, JAL will carry out business restructuring through aircraft downsizing and shifting to high profit routes. JAL will strengthen product competitiveness through for example, the introduction of First Class on domestic flights, and Premium Economy Class on international flights. Thereby the airline will make maximum opportunity of the business changes that will result from the internationalization and expansion of Tokyo's Haneda Airport from and after FY2009, and increase of airport slot capacity at Narita. JAL will also implement large scale cost reductions through personnel reductions and other measures and concentrate resources to the core air transport business segment in order to achieve sustainable growth.

[Captain Japan]

[TFG]

[Buraku]

Etihad Airways has been given the nod to start a five-flights-a-week service from its Abu Dhabi home base to the Japanese capital Tokyo, from March 2010. In line with gaining flying rights to Narita airport in Tokyo, the carrier also has the option to start flights to the regions of Kansai and Chubu.

http://www.impactpub.com.au/micebtn/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3173&Itemid=50

[FG Lurker]

Etihad Airways has been given the nod to start a five-flights-a-week service from its Abu Dhabi home base to the Japanese capital Tokyo, from March 2010.

I hope they can fly better than the seem to be able to test new planes.....

[Greji]

I hope they can fly better than the seem to be able to test new planes.....

That's already. It's just Tsuru on his solo......

[IkemenTommy]

So what's with this new jihad airline at Narita? I don't like the sound of it.

[Echigo]

Narita is a poor site for the airport. They should have expanded Haneda or built in Tokyo bay. Its truly a pain to get to and the traffic from Shinagawa through Ichikawa is horrible. Here's a thought: do any of these farmers that complain about Narita ever use it? If they want to be left alone they should move further away from Tokyo.

[Buraku]

HKIA

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worse than bus uncle

[Greji]

HKIA
worse than bus uncle

My ole lady never told me she was going to HK.....

[Tsuru]

How the hell do you miss an intercontinental flight anyway? Check-in these days opens about 28 hours before the plane leaves.

[Tsuru]

Narita is a poor site for the airport. They should have expanded Haneda or built in Tokyo bay. Its truly a pain to get to and the traffic from Shinagawa through Ichikawa is horrible. Here's a thought: do any of these farmers that complain about Narita ever use it? If they want to be left alone they should move further away from Tokyo.

That's going to be a bit hard if your land is expropriated. Besides, 40 miles is pretty fucking far already if you ask me.

[Greji]

That's going to be a bit hard if your land is expropriated. Besides, 40 miles is pretty fucking far already if you ask me.

You're right on about the distance. But the expropriation of land issue is something that was overblown by the "Anti-" groups and the media. The majority of Narita Airport was a major thoroughbred racehorse breeding farm, which was relocated to Hokkaido when the land was sold at premium to the government. As a matter of fact, I think they built about three new farms with the dust they made and still had a sizable stash left over.

[canman]

I was waiting for FGL to chime in and state that this was another gaff by the DPJ, but I feel that Maehara is correct. Narita sucks and the main airport should be Haneda. Why can't they use Narita for all the cargo flights and use Haneda as the passenger terminal. Four runways, 24 hour usage, much closer to Tokyo, hotels etc. What could be better. And Hashimoto in Osaka is such a crybaby. When he asked to have Kansai made into a hub airport, and was told no it is not a good fit, he said they would withdraw their funding for the airport.

[FG Lurker]

I was waiting for FGL to chime in and state that this was another gaff by the DPJ, but I feel that Maehara is correct. Narita sucks and the main airport should be Haneda. Why can't they use Narita for all the cargo flights and use Haneda as the passenger terminal.

I don't think they are suggesting that Narita should be for cargo and that Haneda should be for passengers. It seems they are suggesting that Tokyo should have two hub airports and to hell with the rest of the country. Seems like pretty typical Tokyo politician thinking to me.

Four runways, 24 hour usage, much closer to Tokyo, hotels etc. What could be better.

I suspect that anyone living near Haneda flight paths (and who bought land based on the non-24 hour usage situation) would have a fuck of a lot to say about Haneda turning into a 24 hour airport. But hey, as long as it's not near your place then no problem, right!?

And Hashimoto in Osaka is such a crybaby. When he asked to have Kansai made into a hub airport, and was told no it is not a good fit, he said they would withdraw their funding for the airport.

Osaka should not continue to pay for an airport that has been abandoned by the national government. If the vast majority of major international flights are going to be run through a Haneda/Narita duopoly then there is no need at all for KIX. Itami is more than capable of handling domestic duty loads for the Kansai region and it is in a much better location too.

On a generally related note, concentrating more and more things in Tokyo doesn't seem particularly wise. Japan's geographic location guarantees that there will be more massive earthquakes here and it is only a matter of time before the next "big one" hits Tokyo. I don't really get the "put all your eggs in one basket" mentality, but maybe that's just me.

[IkemenTommy]

Why would anyone spend an hour (at least) just to get to an airport? Why? Cuz some bureaucrats screwed up 30 years ago and we have to continue pay for it? Screw that. While we are arguing if Narita is feasible, we continue to see China and Korea go ahead of Japan.

Sadly, Incheon (Seoul) is more of an Asian hub than Narita because sadly, there are more connecting flight to Japanese cities. Narita is the one of the biggest wasteful spendings done by the J government. It's worth no more than a big fat piece of shit landfill.

Let's face it. Narita fucked up. That's the bottom of it. Move on. It's 2009 for crying out fucking loud.