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Postby Taro Toporific » Sat Jun 28, 2003 12:57 am

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Postby DJEB » Sun Jun 29, 2003 2:05 pm

My boss is not gonna like this. :D
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Let's oxymoronically "objectively rational reasons"

Postby Taro Toporific » Sun Jun 29, 2003 2:44 pm

DJEB wrote:My boss is not gonna like this. :D


New labor law wrote:...dismissal "without objectively rational reasons and not in line with accepted social customs"


Gee. Oxymoronicallylly speaking, JAPANESE "objectively rational reasons" could mean anything so your boss should be happy.


    Hey all you FG, ya got any other Japanese oxymorons???????
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Postby Steve Bildermann » Sun Jun 29, 2003 3:14 pm

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Xbox Japan's "objectively rational reasons"

Postby Taro Toporific » Mon Jun 30, 2003 12:15 pm

DJEB wrote:My boss is not gonna like this. :D


Microsoft Japan got a black eye on the Web this week when a Nikkei Biztech report revealed that one of 34 Xbox employees laid off back in March (Xbox hasn't been doing well here) said that he felt like he was "treated like a criminal". He was referring to Microsoft's apparent lack of finesse in carrying out the actual firing. According to the report, the foreign division head called the entire 200 Japanese Xbox staff together and told them that 34 people would be fired. Not saying which ones, they were told to go back to their desks and check their e-mail...

Further, the report says that the company blocked off the elevators and exits around where the sacked employees were supposed to gather later, with security guards. Apparently they couldn't even use a rest room unless accompanied by a guard. Perhaps this is standard Microsoft Japan procedure... but it still must have been pretty shocking to the local employees involved. In Japan, this kind of treatment is usually reserved for people committing a criminal act at work ...

Ironically, and you know how these things are, the Diet just this week passed a new law on how employees may be dismissed. This is the first time that such a set of guidelines has been formalized. Although the intent of the law is to let Japanese corporations actually fire people more easily, the final watered down wording contains the phrase that dismissal has to have "objectively rational reasons and be in line with accepted social customs". In the case of Microsoft, a hugely successful company that could arguably have reassigned the employees elsewhere, the courts would have had a field day. ... however, the new law won't be actually used for another 6-9 months.

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Bloomberg - June 30-- Microsoft Corp., the world's biggest software maker, said it cut the price of its Xbox video-game console to $179 in Asia excluding Japan ...
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Re: Let's oxymoronically!

Postby Taro Toporific » Mon Jun 30, 2003 12:22 pm

Taro Toporific wrote:Hey all you FG, ya got any other Japanese oxymorons???????
:arrow: beef curry ...
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Re: Let's oxymoronically "objectively rational reasons&

Postby kamome » Mon Jun 30, 2003 2:05 pm

Taro Toporific wrote:
DJEB wrote:My boss is not gonna like this. :D


New labor law wrote:...dismissal "without objectively rational reasons and not in line with accepted social customs"


Gee. Oxymoronicallylly speaking, JAPANESE "objectively rational reasons" could mean anything so your boss should be happy.



Yes, this kind of ambiguous wording gives employers a lot more power to fire their employees. It sounds similar to at-will employment in the States. What is "objectively rational"? Objective from whose perspective? FGs, get out of your Japanese company while you can! Or they will dismiss you with impunity as soon as it is convenient for them to do so... :?
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Re: Let's oxymoronically "objectively rational reasons&

Postby DJEB » Mon Jun 30, 2003 7:43 pm

kamome wrote: FGs, get out of your Japanese company while you can!


Sound advice. My boss is a great motivator. He has motivated me to leave the country.Image
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