Anti-Foreigner Demo In Saitama

[omae mona]

[Mulboyne]

[Yokohammer]

Putting aside the blatant racism and unacceptable behavior of the right-wing yahoos, which is basically a separate issue that tends to cloud the discussion, I still can't come up with a satisfactory solution (i.e. one that satisfies myself) to the Calderon case. There's just not enough information. I can sort of understand how tough this must have been for the Japanese authorities.

Noriko's parents entered the country on forged passports. The intent was to deceive for personal gain. That's a pretty big negative. So if that's the kind of people they are, is it possible that having a child was part of the plan? Did they perhaps think that by having a child in Japan it might be easier for them to stay? It's pretty clear that Noriko was "used" as the main argument in their case. My sympathy is definitely with the girl. As primary pawn she bears the brunt of the stress, I would imagine. But I simply cannot find much sympathy for the parents. I suppose I can't fault them for trying to stay, but I do fault their intent in using forged documents to enter the country, their intent to remain in violation of the law as long as possible (i.e. until they were caught), and their (possible) intent to exploit their own child to gain advantage. Don't know about that last part for sure, but it does seem likely.

Under the circumstances deporting the parents may have been the most reasonable and balanced approach, especially since it looks as though they will be allowed visitation.

Difficult.

But the Zaitokukai ... they can go to hell.

[canman]

Just watching CNN and they just did a report about what happens to kids when the parents are in the US illegally and then they are deported.They must make a choice, either try to stay in the US by themselves, or return to their parents home country. Now the difference is the US is that the kids are US citizens, and the parents are illegal. The piece was a little sympathetic towards the illegals, but didn't state that they should be allowed to stay. The situation here in Japan is different in the fact that Noriko is also considered illegal, so she has no right to stay. But, if sent back to the PI, she would be a foreigner in her own country having been raised mostly Japanese. It is a very difficult situation all around.

[Mulboyne]

[Greji]

now I want to focus on the clearly injustice ruling by the courts to throw this girl out of her country, the country that she was born in.

You are making a decision about "her country" that has only been made by 12 other countries in the world. The remaining 100 plus do not recognize the birth by an fg as grounds for citizenship. As I said if it were all roses.....


"....
1. Argentina
2. Brazil
3. Cameroon
4. Canada (if born there after 1977)
5. India
6. Jamaica
7. Mexico
8. New Zealand
9. Pakistan
10.Spain
11.United States
12.Venezuela

While there is no formal policy that forbids DHS from deporting the illegal-alien parents of children born in the U.S., they rarely are actually deported. In some cases, immigration judges make exceptions for the parents on the basis of their U.S.-born children and grant the parents legal status. In many cases, though, immigration officials choose not to initiate removal proceedings against illegal aliens with U.S.-born children, so they simply remain here illegally.

Thus, the U.S.-born children of illegal aliens not only represent additional U.S. population growth, but act as 'anchors' to eventually pull a large number of extended family members into the country legally. In fact, an entire industry has built up around the U.S. system of birthright citizenship. Thousands of pregnant women who are about to deliver come to the United States each year from countries as far away as South Korea and as near as Mexico so that they can give birth on U.S. soil. Some come legally as temporary visitors] foreign [p]ower" or that they do not "ow[e] allegiance to anybody" but the United States. The Supreme Court, however, has never decided the issue. The closest it has come is a case involving the U.S.-born child of lawful permanent residents in which, of course, it held the child to be a U.S. citizen. In the absence of a ruling by the Supreme Court, it will remain up to Congress to clarify the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment or to accept the status quo......"

A bit old and sources are expired, but it says it pretty well. Every other country is not Canada or the US......

[BO-SENSEI]

[nottu]

[BO-SENSEI]

Well, I don't know the attitude of every Japanese person, but I think the majority of Japanese would agree with a very simple thing, foreigners are welcomed in Japan as long as they come legally and don't do anything illegal while they are here.

As for crime statistics, I came across this website with crime statistics from 5 years ago, it will be interesting to see how much these statistics have changed with the recent economic crisis.

http://www.jref.com/society/foreign_crime_in_japan.shtml

[nottu]

[Samurai_Jerk]

Well, I don't know the attitude of every Japanese person, but I think the majority of Japanese would agree with a very simple thing, foreigners are welcomed in Japan as long as they come legally and don't do anything illegal while they are here.

Thanks for the laugh.

[BO-SENSEI]

Jerk, do me a favor, take any future comments you have directed towards me and shove it up your ass.

As for notto's tourist comment, I think Japanese people would rather have foreigners come to Japan as temporary residents, such as exchange students, English teachers, various baseball players, and businessmen working for companies that have branches in Japan. The reason I say this is because of an experience in Kyoto where I saw a British woman trying to tell a waitress that she had to leave in 5 minutes and wanted to know if her food was coming soon. It was very clear to me that the waitress did not know English and couldn't understand what she saying, so in my very limited Japanese explained it as best I could and both the British woman and the waitress was very grateful for helping out. So I guess you could add to the recommendations to coming to Japan, study Japanese and Japanese culture.

Also, why do you have such a negative view towards this?

[Samurai_Jerk]

Jerk, do me a favor, take any future comments you have directed towards me and shove it up your ass.

As for notto's tourist comment, I think Japanese people would rather have foreigners come to Japan as temporary residents, such as exchange students, English teachers, various baseball players, and businessmen working for companies that have branches in Japan. The reason I say this is because of an experience in Kyoto where I saw a British woman trying to tell a waitress that she had to leave in 5 minutes and wanted to know if her food was coming soon. It was very clear to me that the waitress did not know English and couldn't understand what she saying, so in my very limited Japanese explained it as best I could and both the British woman and the waitress was very grateful for helping out. So I guess you could add to the recommendations to coming to Japan, study Japanese and Japanese culture.

Also, why do you have such a negative view towards this?

Oh, yeah, sorry. I forgot you can't handle people disagreeing with you.

Anyway, it seems like you agree with nottu. The Japanese who want foreigners here are generally only comfortable with the idea of short term stays. If that weren't the case, they'd take in a lot more refugees and it'd be easier to get PR or citizenship. Trust me, the majority of Japanese people don't really want foreigners here and especially don't like the idea of people who adapt too much and settle down for good.

You'll probably never feel that if you live here for a short while and don't speak the language well because the people you interact with don't represent the typical Japanese person and even those who do generally have enough tact not to tell you how they really feel. You should also remember that the Japanese are trained from birth not to come out and tell you their true feelings. However, the longer you stay, the better your language skills get, the closer your reltationships become, and the more you integrate the more your start to understand how people really feel.

As for your Kyoto restaurant example, what does that have to do with anything? I fail to see the connection.

And you can suck my cock you little fucking pantywaste prude.

[BO-SENSEI]

Oh, yeah, sorry. I forgot you can't handle people disagreeing with you.

Anyway, it seems like you agree with nottu. The Japanese who want foreigners here are generally only comfortable with the idea of short term stays. If that weren't the case, they'd take in a lot more refugees and it'd be easier to get PR or citizenship. Trust me, the majority of Japanese people don't really want foreigners here and especially don't like the idea of people who adapt too much and settle down for good.

You'll probably never feel that if you live here for a short while and don't speak the language well because the people you interact with don't represent the typical Japanese person and even those who do generally have enough tact not to tell you how they really feel. You should also remember that the Japanese are trained from birth not to come out and tell you their true feelings. However, the longer you stay, the better your language skills get, the closer your reltationships become, and the more you integrate the more your start to understand how people really feel.

As for your Kyoto restaurant example, what does that have to do with anything? I fail to see the connection.

And you can suck my cock you little fucking pantywaste prude.

I thought I told you to shove it up your ass, not pull it back out and post it. Eww, it reeks of shit and has brown streaks all over it. I won't even waste my time reading this drivel.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I thought I told you to shove it up your ass, not pull it back out and post it. Eww, it reeks of shit and has brown streaks all over it. I won't even waste my time reading this drivel.

What's your native language btw?

[nottu]

[nottu]

[Samurai_Jerk]

therefore......... = ......... supported logically by

?????

The guy's not playing with a full deck.

[BO-SENSEI]

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Let me clarify. You said Japanese people prefer tourists, I disagree, I think they prefer foreigners who live here for short periods of time, from a year to 5 years. The Kyoto story demonstrates that Japanese people would not prefer tourists, they seem to have no respect for the culture and make no effort to learn the language, but why should they, they are only going to be hear for a short time, they don't really interact with the local population, they pump money into the economy and only typically deal with Japanese people who are used to dealling with foreigners, and because of that, speak perfectly reasonable English. The two things had nothing to do with each other and should have made that clearer, sorry, I get a bit confusing sometimes.

[Mike Oxlong]

Case studies by those inexperienced in the target language and culture should be used as evidence that nearly an entire population is thinking in a certain manner?

[james]

The Kyoto story demonstrates that Japanese people would not prefer tourists, they seem to have no respect for the culture and make no effort to learn the language,

generalize much?

they are only going to be hear for a short time

what is it, exactly, that you teach?

[nottu]

[FG Lurker]

Japan isn't having much luck getting the natives to breed. Population is declining and this trend is going to accelerate rather rapidly as more and more old farts kick off and die.

There is therefore a choice that Japan is going to have to make soon:

1) Become more foreigner friendly and find ways to better integrate non-Japanese into Japanese society.

2) Allow the population to decline and accept the resulting dramatic reduction in global economic and political power. (Maybe they should start offering lessons in how to ass-kiss Chinese and Koreans.)

I don't claim to speak for the Japanese population, but I would say that option 1 is probably the lesser of the two "evils". Either way though, the Japan of 2050 is going to be a very different place than the Japan of 2009.

[BO-SENSEI]

hear - here, so I made a bad spelling error, it happens, get over it

I know I don't know anything but hear me out, sure, yeah, the Japan loves these tourists that come to Japan that pumps money into the economy for a week then leaves. Sure, there are plenty of good tourists who come here and respectful, but what about these jackasses that lick fish at Tsukiji Fish Market or the people who stalk geishas in Kyoto or some rude British bitch yelling at a Japanese waitress in a language she doesn't understand. That is why I think they like foreigners who have been here longer. For most of the foreigners who live here, I hope, understand what to do and what not to do. I know you guys have been here long enough, I sure you have plenty of Japanese friends who like you. Trust me when I say that I know that I am young and know absolutely nothing about the world, but at least I am trying.

I don't claim to speak for the Japanese population, but I would say that option 1 is probably the lesser of the two "evils". Either way though, the Japan of 2050 is going to be a very different place than the Japan of 2009.

And I can't wait to see it.

I teach English Conversation, not grammer, Thank God, right?

[nottu]

[FG Lurker]

I teach English Conversation, not grammer, Thank God, right?

I think you should educate yourself before attempting to educate others.

[BO-SENSEI]

I think you should educate yourself before attempting to educate others.

"Attempting to educate other" makes me feel like I am forcing my opinion on to you, not at all, simply a friendly exchanging of ideas, that's why the internet exists. That and porn. You guys should be aware by now that I am fucking moron and that I am here to learn. Oh, wait you are talking about my students, well normally I write using my Word Processor and it catches my mistakes, I am usually more careful when it comes to writing, but online I lose the feeling that I need to be perfect, like when I am texting. I promise to double check from now on.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Japan isn't having much luck getting the natives to breed. Population is declining and this trend is going to accelerate rather rapidly as more and more old farts kick off and die.

There is therefore a choice that Japan is going to have to make soon:

1) Become more foreigner friendly and find ways to better integrate non-Japanese into Japanese society.

2) Allow the population to decline and accept the resulting dramatic reduction in global economic and political power. (Maybe they should start offering lessons in how to ass-kiss Chinese and Koreans.)

I don't claim to speak for the Japanese population, but I would say that option 1 is probably the lesser of the two "evils". Either way though, the Japan of 2050 is going to be a very different place than the Japan of 2009.

If there's one thing that's true about the Japanese it's that they can be mobilized to work for the greater good. I don't think the government has actually gotten that serious about encouraging people to have babies yet since things still aren't totally out of hand. Once they do though, I'm sure there'll be another baby boom. I think Japan's looking at a couple of even rougher decades than they've had so far, but in the long run they'll replenish the population. I'm sure during that time you'll see in increase in the number of foreigners here, but I don't think we'll ever see much more than 3% of the total population and I don't think you'll ever see the push for multiculturalism here which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

[FG Lurker]

"Attempting to educate other" makes me feel like I am forcing my opinion on to you, not at all, simply a friendly exchanging of ideas, that's why the internet exists. That and porn. You guys should be aware by now that I am fucking moron and that I am here to learn.

I appreciate the humour but actually I was referring to your students.

[BO-SENSEI]

[quote="FG Lurker"]I appreciate the humour but actually I was referring to your students. ]

Yeah, I figured it out one minute too late, you can see my new reaction above.