Gaijin are "murderers and thieves"

[Taro Toporific]

Top LDP man calls foreigners "murderers and thieves"
MDN, July 13. 2003, 6:00pm
FUKUI -- Takami Eto, one of the leaders of a powerful Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) faction, unleashed a racist tirade during a local party convention here, calling illegal immigrants in Japan "murderers and thieves."
...The joint head of the Eto-Kamei faction continued, "Tens of thousands of refugees will flood this country if a war breaks out in the Korean Peninsula. They will team up with the 1 million foreign robbers and murderers illegally staying here and start riots."
Eto also challenged the conventional view that the Imperial Japanese Army committed atrocities in Nanjing ...

[blackcat]

yes and war criminal rapist murderers like you and the yakuza are japanese......so they are wonderful.

my prediction is japan will try to wage a war on NK with the US`s help within the next 10 years.

there has been almost no change in 60 years.

[Taro Toporific]

my prediction is japan will try to wage a war on NK with the US`s help within the next 10 years.

there has been almost no change in 60 years.

It cuts both ways: I'm always surprised by the mainstream Korean statements about Japan.

'Turtle Ship' Researchers Pick Fight with Japan
July 13, 2003 / Chosun.com
The Geobukson Samsung Electronics research center, which opened last April in Suwon, has a model Geobukson, "Turtle Ship," parked outside. The name of the center is a clue to its mission: the turtle ships were built to fight Japan.
The labs are part of the image: Hansando, Okpo, Danghangpo, Busanpo and other famous engagements between the navies of the two enemies. "We used the names of the battlefields in which General Lee Sun-shin defeated foreign enemies while sailing in the turtle ships," said the center's president, Kang Ho-mun. "It's our expression of preparedness, in that[u] we will definitely win the economic war against Japan."
...All Samsung Electronics employees are to have their summer vacations between July 26 and August 3. Geobukseon researchers, however, were required to "return" their vacations

[Crispy]

Heh. That Ento must be really, really sure he wouldn't need the US's help in such a war, he seems to be saying that we can take our military power and shove it.

Is anyone polling the Japanese on whether they as a people are really to violate the constitution and pick up the sword again?

[ramchop]

I'll ignore his lunatic ravings about the past, this guy is obviously unhinged.

However, he is talking about illegal immigrants. Not all the happy Gaijin that reside on this forum. We're not murders and thieves and this lovely senile old man isn't saying that we are. (although the FG 2 yr old recently arrived home from a shopping trip with a concealed Thomas the Tank Engine... but he's away on holiday and at least confines his illegal acts to home soil)


Let's look at how the more enlightened nations deal with illegal immigrants:

- not "murders and thieves" in America, they're "agents of terror" lock 'em up... they're brown skinned with funny accents

- not refugees in Australia, lock 'em up in a desert prison for a couple of years, and while we're at it, lets lock up their children too.


Just what are they advocating doing to the illegal immigrants in Japan?

[Taro Toporific]

I'll ignore his lunatic ravings about the past, this guy is obviously unhinged.

Hey, you're talking to the guy who spent his Saturday afternoon at the Itabashi Police Station Impound Lot/Warehouse dealing with the aftermath of illegal aliens. I was unsuccessful in trying to recover my household's PowerBook and pirate gold from a CHINESE "picking" gang that was caught with my stuff. The ringleader of the burglary gang got six years in Japanese prison where he will earn more money a day working in J-Prison Industries than the standard Chinese wage in the countryside.

TONIKAKU/anyway, check out the real concern outside Japan about the ranting the old LDP fart, Eto-san...


Japanese massacre claim infuriates China
Monday July 14, 2003
The Guardian
China angrily dismissed claims by a senior Japanese politician that the 1937 Nanjing massacre death toll was fabricated, saying that any attempt to distort history is doomed to failure....
Takami Eto of Japan's ruling Liberal Democratic party (LDP) was reported as saying that the oft-quoted Chinese claim that 300,000 civilians were killed when Japanese imperial troops overran the Chinese nationalist capital, then called Nanking, in December 1937, was "a fabricated lie".
Mr Eto, a former construction minister, was speaking on Saturday during an LDP meeting in western Japan, the Kyodo news agency said.

[jingai]

It's so boring and so predictable. Every time the politicians go to rewrite the past, they do it exactly the same way:

Remember Hiroshima!
Nanjing? Nah, it wasn't us!
There were no sex-slaves- they were sex-slave volunteers. Koreans like that sort of thing.
Time to pay my respects to Japan's war dead which I can only do at Yasukuni a few times a year.

[Marked Trail]

I
Remember Hiroshima!

Remember Japan is the only country that needed to be nuked to stop it.

[kurohinge1]

... We're not murders and thieves ...

NB: Must think about changing my user name ...
and getting rid of the parrot, eye patch & wooden leg ...

[Taro Toporific]

Nah, it wasn't us!
There were no sex-slaves- they were sex-slave volunteers. Koreans like that sort of thing.

As much as it pains me to say anything in support of the Japanese, the only thing I can think of when I hear the term Korean "sex-slaves" . . . are the generations of bargirls pressed into servicing GIs in Itaewon for the past 50 years.

Refer to this BBC story about the rest-of-the-story aboutItaewon and Korea.

[cstaylor]

No no... everyone mistranslated... it was "nihon no gunjin" not "gaijin".

[Socratesabroad]

As much as it pains me to say anything in support of the Japanese, the only thing I can think of when I hear the term Korean "sex-slaves" . . . are the generations of bargirls pressed into servicing GIs in for the past 50 years.

You know, that's both offensive and a blatant lie.
Before making such a fallacious statement, perhaps you should become more acquainted with what the comfort women experienced. From an account of one such woman:

They started to drag us away one by one. And I could hear all the screaming coming from the bedrooms, you know, and you just wait for your turn, you know. And there stood this large, fat, bald Japanese officer looking at me, grinning at me, and I put up an enormous fight, but he just dragged me to the bedroom. And I said, "I'm not going to do this." And he said, "Well, I will kill you. If you don't give yourself to me, I will kill you."

And he actually got out his sword. I went on my knees to say my prayers and I felt God very close. I wasn't afraid to die. And as I was praying, he...he had no intention of killing me, of course. He just, you know, threw me on the bed - got hold of me, threw me on the bed and just tore off all my clothes and most brutally raped me. And, I thought he would never stop. It was the most...the most horrendous... I never thought suffering could be that terrible.

And how many times was each one raped that night? You know, I shall never forget that first night. And we felt so helpless. This was going to happen from now on, night after night.

When the doctor came, I went to him and I said, "Look, I want you to know we're here against our will. Use your influence. Go to the highest authority, report this, that we are forced into this." He just laughed and he ended up raping me himself. And from that time onwards, every time the doctor came for his regular visit, he used rape me first. Even the doctor raped me.
From http://www.abc.net.au/austory/transcripts/s351798.htm
Also see http://online.sfsu.edu/~soh/comfortwomen.html

Having personally been in and observed the US military environment throughout Asia, I am wondering how you have the audacity to claim that Korean women are "pressed into servicing GIs." Most of the women hanging around bases are doing so because of economic reasons or situations, but they are not forced into this service by threat of or overt use of force. And I say 'hanging around' because they are free to depart at any time with no US military restrictions whatsoever on their movement.

In short, in one fell swoop you have trivialized the experience of the comfort women by comparing it to 'being in the vicinity of a military installation' and you have insulted the US military by blantantly lying about its involvement in forced sexual servitude in South Korea.

Hate the US? Fine. Hate the US military? Fine. Those may be your views. But when you start making historically incorrect and sweeping generalizations, someone may just call you on it.

I did.

[Taro Toporific]

As much as it pains me to say anything in support of the Japanese, the only thing I can think of when I hear the term Korean "sex-slaves" . . . are the generations of bargirls pressed into servicing GIs in for the past 50 years.

You know, that's both offensive and a blatant lie.... someone may just call you on it.

I did.

Call it what you may, that's the "spin" I've heard with my own two ears from Korean feminsts in Korea. Actually they left my ears burning. I specifically said it "PAINS" me to support the Japanese but this is the more extreme viewpoint of Korean sex workers from Koreans that I've been forced to hear.

As far as the US military goes, they indirectly pay my salary in part so I would be aiding and abetting (self hatred is not my problem).

[ramchop]

Call it what you may, that's the "spin" I've heard with my own two ears from Korean feminsts in Korea. Actually they left my ears burning.

How old were these ear burning Korean feminists Taro? It's amazing how the facts of history change from generation to generation.

[Taro Toporific]

Call it what you may, that's the "spin" I've heard with my own two ears from Korean feminsts in Korea. Actually they left my ears burning.

How old were these ear burning Korean feminists Taro? It's amazing how the facts of history change from generation to generation.

Hardcore, hairy-leg, Korean feminists visiting Keiyo's University Woman Studies program, circa 1990 (they're present age would place them in their 40s). In Korea, in the late 80s I heard the same crap. I really didn't want to hear it since I was there doing communications subcontracting for the US military. I've also heard Filipina feminists use the same over-the-top argument until the US left it bases.

But hey we got at least two FG who are Korean FG, I wonder what they have heard living in-country?

[ramchop]

What's a Korean FG? :P

A Korean in Japan
or
A non-Korean in Korea

[Taro Toporific]

What's a Korean FG? :P
A Korean in Japan
or
A non-Korean in Korea

A Korean guest lecturer.

I'm dredging my memory for names which is hard because the best laugh was by the Japanese feminist running the same meeting.
She came up with twist of the typical Japanese insult term for salaryman, sodaigomi, by calling them "industrial waste" after the age of 50.

[American Oyaji]

That's rough

And ramchop, that WAS indeed a good question.

[jingai]

Dower's Embracing Defeat does mention the similarities between the plight of the "comfort women" forced into service, and the wholesale recruitment of prostitutes and other tainted women by the Japanese government to keep the G.I.s busy during the occupation. Still, I don't recall anything about being forced to service G.I.s, beyond economic coercion- the promise of a job and of food. I'm not sure how true this is in modern, prosperous Korea.

Of course, abusing your economic, social or political power to take advantage of women is despicable, even without overt coercion. As far as I'm concerned, Japanese sex tourists, pedophiles, and the gal-a-night F'ed gaijin in Roppongi are all despicable.

In all the occupied Axis countries there were stories of servicemen from rich and powerful America finding brides amid the ruins of a defeated society. In English there is even a term, "war-bride" referring to the women the GIs brought home. Before I left for Japan in 2000, my WWII-era grandmother told me to have fun, but not to bring home a war-bride. I was dismayed by this old attitude but told her "I think a war-bride would be a little too old for me."

[Taro Toporific]

Dower's Embracing Defeat does mention the similarities between the plight of the "comfort women" forced into service, and the wholesale recruitment of prostitutes and other tainted women by the Japanese government to keep the G.I.s busy during the occupation...

... Before I left for Japan in 2000, my WWII-era grandmother told me to have fun, but not to bring home a war-bride. I was dismayed by this old attitude but told her "I think a war-bride would be a little too old for me."

Certainly Dower did not invent the issue and I was taken aback the first time I heard it. Equating economic servitute with forced slavery seemed wacko to me at first ... but upon hear it from differing voices over the years I come to do some Naikan --"inside looking" on the issue.

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Your riposte, "a war-bride would be a little too old for me" injected a good laugh for my morning. Thanks. I wish I could said that for all the times I've heard war-bride comments.

[kamome]

Of course, abusing your economic, social or political power to take advantage of women is despicable, even without overt coercion. As far as I'm concerned, Japanese sex tourists, pedophiles, and the gal-a-night F'ed gaijin in Roppongi are all despicable.

Sorry, gal-a-night FG in Roppongi are hardly able to lay claim to any kind of economic, social, or political power to take advantage of women. I would say there is no power gap for FG's in Japan--in fact, there is a power gap, and FG's are on the losing end.

[Taro Toporific]

Top LDP man calls foreigners "murderers and thieves"
MDN, July 13. 2003, 6:00pm
FUKUI -- Takami Eto, one of the leaders of a powerful Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) faction, unleashed a racist tirade ...

Politician under fire for rewriting history
The view from ... Tokyo / The Guardian
Friday July 18, 2003

...any rightwinger who feels deprived of public exposure has only to laud the colonial era in Korea, dismiss claims about the Nanjing massacre or praise the heroism of convicted war criminals to be virtually assured of front-page coverage.
One of the greatest exponents of the art of outrage is Takami Eto, an LDP faction leader and former minister who set new standards of offensiveness and historical inaccuracy at the start of the week by declaring that Japan never colonised Korea. Instead, he said, the countries "unified" in 1910 with the approval of the United Nations - even though the UN did not then exist.