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Postby TFG » Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:22 pm

The Minsuto has already taken 276 seats in the general election with the LDP so far taking only 59. There are 109 seats not counted but even if they all go to the LDP, they can not win.

:kanpai: Major LDP figures have lost their seats.:kanpai:

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Postby Mike Oxlong » Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:29 pm

It's almost better than porn...:bukkake:
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Postby Ol Dirty Gaijin » Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:39 pm

Time to retire my pic....
Watching the results is it any surprise? Who would vote in a 77 year old for a term? Probably not the oldest out there either.
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Postby Midwinter » Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:55 pm

I hate to do this, I really do but... pwn'd. :D
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Postby gomichild » Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:56 pm

No surprise here.
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Postby Mock Cockpit » Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:36 pm

It's a fucken bloodbath. Even rural Ehime is voting in a socialist! Could have knocked me over with a feather when I saw that. I got my missus to vote by proxy for who I wanted. Morally wrong choir?
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Postby kusai Jijii » Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:37 pm

Mock Cockpit wrote: I got my missus to vote by proxy for who I wanted. Morally wrong choir?

Who did you want?
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Postby Mock Cockpit » Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:46 pm

kusai Jijii wrote:Who did you want?

That's between me, my wife and the ballot box.
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Postby Midwinter » Sun Aug 30, 2009 10:13 pm

Mock Cockpit wrote:It's a fucken bloodbath. Even rural Ehime is voting in a socialist! Could have knocked me over with a feather when I saw that. I got my missus to vote by proxy for who I wanted. Morally wrong choir?


I had wifey do the same here too. She never, ever votes so I figure, why not have someone actually interested in the future of this country vote instead. Nothing wrong with that :D
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:06 pm

Ruling party concedes defeat in Japan election

TOKYO – Japan's Prime Minister Taro Aso conceded defeat in elections Sunday as media exit polls indicated the opposition had won by a landslide, sending the conservatives out of power after 54 years of nearly unbroken rule amid widespread economic anxiety and desire for change.

"These results are very severe," Aso said in a news conference at party headquarters, conceding his party was headed for a big loss. "There has been a deep dissatisfaction with our party."

Aso said he would have to accept responsibility for the results, suggesting that he would resign as party president. Other LDP leaders also said they would step down, though official results were not to be released until early Monday morning.

The left-of-center Democratic Party of Japan was set to win 300 or more of the 480 seats in the lower house of parliament, ousting the Liberal Democrats, who have governed Japan for all but 11 months since 1955, according to exit polls by all major Japanese TV networks.
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Postby MrUltimateGaijin » Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:14 pm

so, after half a century, the japanese people have reach the intellectual level required to use democracy...
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Postby FG Lurker » Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:29 pm

MrUltimateGaijin wrote:so, after half a century, the japanese people have reach the intellectual level required to use democracy...

Half a century is pretty harsh. Until the early 90s the LDP powered Japan to heights that were the envy of the world.

I think the only reason they didn't get the boot after the bubble burst is that there were no viable alternatives. Even now calling the DPJ a "viable alternative" is pretty much a stretch. The upper ranks are made up of ex-LDPers and the majority of their elected representatives have absolutely no clue what the hell is going on.

Perhaps this change will shake things up a bit but I suspect we're in for a roller coaster ride: Ups, downs, and then end up back where we started.
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Postby Ketou » Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:35 pm

You may be right FGL. It's a start though.

Will be an interesting few years ahead in politics at least.
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Postby Mock Cockpit » Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:49 pm

Lotta MILFs getting elected.
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Why is this not in the Erection Section?

Postby IkemenTommy » Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:49 pm

I'm watching this whole thing unravel, and here are my usually biasly opinionated analysis.

DPJ, for hating everything the US stands for and its policies, is ironically following the same footsteps of the US politics. As the same American Minshuto, DPJ is relying on the whole "change" gimmick. We can only hope that Minshuto would change Japan, for the better.

We all have to remember that DPJ is composed of the same LDP rejects (like Hatoyama and the rest of the LDP banished losers) so their policies are very much similar to that of LDP. In fact, I see no difference between the two parties. You ask any J-salaryman in Shinbashi and they couldn't tell you how the DPJ policy is any different from the LDP.

So in the long run (oh... in like 6 months in Japanese term...), people will notice that there is no "change" with the entire mess Japan, as in in terms of issues like the employment, Nenkin pyramid scheme, etc. and they will have another loud speaker-truck election promotion blasting obnoxious noise in front of the local train stations. DPJ, or I don't care any party for that matter, will come in and sweep..err.. crush the DPJ into the ground.




Sounds familiar to the current US political scene...?
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Postby Greji » Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:14 am

MrUltimateGaijin wrote:so, after half a century, the japanese people have reach the intellectual level required to use democracy...


Well, if that's what you hoped for, let's hope you really got what you wanted, but somehow when all is said and done, I doubt if you're going to really be happy with them. It is really going to be fun watching the economy for a while. These dudes/dudettes have been screaming about what the LDP has been doing for so long, I seriously doubt if they have any effective plans of they're own. As a minimum, will they have anything that is going to be welcomed abroad that will do anything for the economy? I will be seriously surprised if they do. They have already alienated certain elements within the US and other governments with comments that some have considered anti-US, and indications that some of there factions want to seriously alter, or even sever the Security Pact with the US in favor of establishing the Japan Military. Be this all as it may, whatever happens, it is definitely going to get interesting.

It's been so easy for them to sit on the left side of the aisle screaming about what's wrong and what's been a failure. Now they're going to have to sit on the right and lead, while everybody yells at them.....
Big difference.
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Postby FG Lurker » Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:30 am

Greji wrote:Well, if that's what you hoped for, let's hope you really got what you wanted, but somehow when all is said and done, I doubt if you're going to really be happy with them. It is really going to be fun watching the economy for a while. These dudes/dudettes have been screaming about what the LDP has been doing for so long, I seriously doubt if they have any effective plans of they're own. As a minimum, will they have anything that is going to be welcomed abroad that will do anything for the economy? I will be seriously surprised if they do. They have already alienated certain elements within the US and other governments with comments that some have considered anti-US, and indications that some of there factions want to seriously alter, or even sever the Security Pact with the US in favor of establishing the Japan Military. Be this all as it may, whatever happens, it is definitely going to get interesting.

It's been so easy for them to sit on the left side of the aisle screaming about what's wrong and what's been a failure. Now they're going to have to sit on the right and lead, while everybody yells at them.....
Big difference.

I agree 100% Greji. I really don't see how people can view the DPJ as being an improvement over the LDP. A change? Perhaps. Better? I highly, highly doubt it. (Unless "better" means a bunch of elected representatives running around like chickens with no heads...)
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Postby Mulboyne » Mon Aug 31, 2009 1:21 am

I see some reports suggesting the turnout was a smidgeon lower than 2005. Japan has a generally high voter turnout anyway so it's less significant as a statistic. It does mean journalists can't suggest that protest votes came crawling out of the woodwork, however.

There seems to be quite a list of LDP casualties:

Former PM Kaifu
G7 Drunk Nakagawa
Former Foreign Minister Nakayama
Former Defence chief Yamasaki
Former Agriculture Minister Takebe
Consumer Affairs Minister Seiko Noda
"Koizumi's Children" - Satsuki Katayama, Yukari Sato, Nobuko Iwaki, Makiko Fujino. Koizumi's former secretary Jiro Ono.
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Postby IkemenTommy » Mon Aug 31, 2009 1:54 am

Greji wrote:Well, if that's what you hoped for, let's hope you really got what you wanted, but somehow when all is said and done, I doubt if you're going to really be happy with them. It is really going to be fun watching the economy for a while. These dudes/dudettes have been screaming about what the LDP has been doing for so long, I seriously doubt if they have any effective plans of they're own. As a minimum, will they have anything that is going to be welcomed abroad that will do anything for the economy? I will be seriously surprised if they do. They have already alienated certain elements within the US and other governments with comments that some have considered anti-US, and indications that some of there factions want to seriously alter, or even sever the Security Pact with the US in favor of establishing the Japan Military. Be this all as it may, whatever happens, it is definitely going to get interesting.

It's been so easy for them to sit on the left side of the aisle screaming about what's wrong and what's been a failure. Now they're going to have to sit on the right and lead, while everybody yells at them.....
Big difference.

Exactly there. I have the feeling that the DPJ will run Japan to the ground (like Japan isn't already). There will be more pissed off citizens in a few months from now because the economy will not turn around over night like the DPJ advertises.

Well, I am sure Japan will be an entirely different country tomorrow, with the Nikkei jumping to the pre-2008 numbers and the economy rolling once again when I wake up... Oh shit, speaking of which I better go to bed soon.
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Postby Mulboyne » Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:25 am

I don't think voters have selected the DPJ because they think they are especially competent. Voters have just finally decided not to re-endorse the LDP. That's a possibility any governing party in Japan will now have to consider and that includes the DPJ.
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Postby pheyton » Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:40 am

I for one can't wait for the toll free roads. Like that would ever fuckin happen.
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Postby FG Lurker » Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:48 am

pheyton wrote:I for one can't wait for the toll free roads.

You must be kidding...

The 1000yen weekends have already made the expressways nearly unusable. What the hell is the point in saving a few thousand yen when it means sitting through hours and hours of traffic? I can't wait for the full tolls to be restored, I hope the double 'em to make up for lost revenue too!
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Postby Mulboyne » Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:08 am

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...Several LDP and Komeito senior leaders and heavyweights were defeated in their single-seat constituencies. They include such LDP veterans as Finance Minister Kaoru Yosano, former Finance Minister Shoichi Nakagawa and former Chief Cabinet Secretary Nobutaka Machimura. Komeito leader Akihiro Ota and party Secretary General Kazuo Kitagawa also were defeated by DPJ contenders...

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Postby Hikonejou » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:05 am

LOL!

Great!

Hu Jintao should start washing and perfuming his ASS REAL GOOD, because it's going to get Kissed real nice and sweet by Hatoyama...
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Postby xenomorph42 » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:07 am

pheyton wrote:I for one can't wait for the toll free roads. Like that would ever fuckin happen.


I was thinking the same exact thing:rolleyes:
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Postby IkemenTommy » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:07 am

Just watch Taro Aso become the scapegoat for LDP's loss.
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Postby xenomorph42 » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:33 am

Well, if that's what you hoped for, let's hope you really got what you wanted, but somehow when all is said and done, I doubt if you're going to really be happy with them. It is really going to be fun watching the economy for a while. These dudes/dudettes have been screaming about what the LDP has been doing for so long, I seriously doubt if they have any effective plans of they're own. As a minimum, will they have anything that is going to be welcomed abroad that will do anything for the economy? I will be seriously surprised if they do. They have already alienated certain elements within the US and other governments with comments that some have considered anti-US, and indications that some of there factions want to seriously alter, or even sever the Security Pact with the US in favor of establishing the Japan Military. Be this all as it may, whatever happens, it is definitely going to get interesting.

It's been so easy for them to sit on the left side of the aisle screaming about what's wrong and what's been a failure. Now they're going to have to sit on the right and lead, while everybody yells at them.....
Big difference.


The DPJ wants to follow Obama's plan of social welfare and many young people look forward to Japan becoming a nanny state. If Japan wants to be less dependent on the US, I say good for them, but then let be 100% not if they need help, please US come to our aid. Let them build up their military and build up their economy, implement radical social reforms, give the Emperor supreme, absolute power.
I really don't have a problem with Japan wanting to be a country less dependent, but what is the overall goal here? Does Japan think that they can still catch up to China? Do they think they can get a permanent seat as a voting member on the UN Security Council? With the declining Birthrate, will Japan start to outsource labor, give permanent Visa, pension plans to hard working guests...I mean citizen? The DPJ said, they want to play a bigger international role, how? Are these changes sincere or is there something bigger lurking on the Horizon?
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Postby Doctor Stop » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:33 am

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That Aso got sure got reamed good.
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Postby Kanchou » Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:11 am

Economies don't grow if populations don't grow... and if they're looking to stimulate baby-making...economically... than maybe that's a good thing.
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Postby Screwed-down Hairdo » Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:31 am

I'm not really bullish on the prospect of getting a good government out of the DPJ, but hey, they can hardly do any worse, right?
Considering the DPJ now controls both houses of the Diet, one of the first things I'd be doing is realigning the electoral districts to dismantle what has been an effective gerrymander that helped the LDP stay in power for so long (I'm not sure of the exact figures, but after every election there is always a report on how much more weight rural voters have compared to those in urban areas...yet nary any outcry over this).
It would certainly be in the DPJ's best interests to do this...it has traditionally appealed more to urban voters and would appear likely to concentrate on them when in government, but I assume that rural voters could soon knock them off their perch if they feel ignored.
The DPJ has -- perhaps true to its strong LDP roots -- promised to throw around plenty of pork, but not perhaps so much for concrete. I just wonder how it's going to pay for it all with the already massive public debt burdening the country.
Nonetheless, unless under extraordinary circumstances, the Japanese tend to be a very change averse people. I wonder if we are now witnessing one such extraordinary circumstance?
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