Speeding Ticket

[Big Booger]

Just got caught doing a 93 in a 60 KPH zone..
I am totally screwed.. goddamn Jap cop.. mutherfucker wouldn't give me a warning. He said 30KM over is the limit. I was doing 33.. so I now have to go to court, go to driving school, and take a penalty class.. my insurance goes up, as does the cost for all this shit..

I can't fucking believe these fuck wad rule sticklers... They make me sick.

The rule is the rule.. that is exactly what the cocksucker said. He said I wasn't singled out.. that the rule is the same for everyone..

I think I am going to tell them to fuck off, and go back to America.. I don't need this shit. In America, first time, you're warned where I am from. Second time, you get a ticket.

I never dreamed I'd have to go to court, take a class, and do driving school... THIS COUNTRY IS FULL OF COCKSUCKERS!

[Taro Toporific]

Just got caught doing a 93 in a 60 KPH zone..
I am totally screwed.. goddamn Jap cop.. mutherfucker wouldn't give me a warning.

I feel your pain.
Personally, I always drive double the posted speed limit **conditions permitting**. Why? I operate under the theory that WHEN I get busted for some petty infraction, I can justify it as proper punishment for my past 12 years of ticket-free speeding.

[Naniwan Kid]

I agree that Japanese speed limits are a little slow, especially for the engine that they put in the car, but 93 in a 60 is a little quick.

You neve see a Japanese cop when you need one, but when you DON'T need one....

[Big Booger]

I am so pissed.. any of you have the rule for how much I have to pay for 33KM over the limit? I mean this is out in the boondocks.. 4 lane highway, 2 going one way and 2 going the other with the partition in the middle.. It's not like I was cruising in downtown at 93..

I've also got to go to court and I hope they have an english interpreter..


And then the cost of driving school. Not only that, when I came home, I put a hole in my wall out of rage.. now I got to fix it

I am a retard.

[Taro Toporific]

I am so pissed.. any of you have the rule for how much I have to pay for 33KM over the limit?

It's "CASE by CASE" of course.

60,000yen for 20kph over the limit is what one of my very FG bucho paid.

Especially in 40km/h (25mph) areas where you are doing more than 60 km/h (40mph) fines of over 100 000yen are notuncommon at all.

Read:
LOSING MY DRIVE: Speeding in Japan
By David Aldwinckle, Sapporo, Japan
...You were going 75 in a fifty zone. 25kph over the limit. That'll mean 3 points off your license and a fine of 18,000 yen... [driver's school at] Department of Motor Vehicles within a week, spend a full day receiving reindoctrination, pay 6,600 yen, and pass a test at the end. The test would be in Japanese. Gulp.

[Naniwan Kid]

I do not mean this in any ironic way whatsoever when I say that you are the dictionary definition of ONE FUCKED GAIJIN.

Give me a link for a fund, and I will put in.

[Big Booger]

I think I am up for mentei.. that is the word he said I think. So indeed I'll have to take those classes.. And since I have only been driving for less than 1 year with my Japanese license, I might have to retake the whole written and driving test too.. even though I have been driving in Japan for over 2 years, 1 year with my international license..
I am a FG true and true.

[Naniwan Kid]

Would you still be able to drive on the International liscence? Probably unlikely....

Where are they when the ficking bosozoku is making their rounds? "We can't bust them until we can get a television camera here"

"That may take a few hours, Sarge."

"Well then, that's the price the public will have to pay."

[Big Booger]

yeah no shit,
Bosozoku make all manners of chaos, and seldom are they arrested. But we can nabbed the law abiding gaijin speeder by jove because he'll go down slow and easy.

[Taro Toporific]

Would you still be able to drive on the International licence? Probably unlikely....

Nowadays...You would have to dump your gaijin card and visa status, leave Japan, and then come back as a "tourist" to drive on the International licence.

[Naniwan Kid]

I guess the glory days are over.....

[Big Booger]

My wife wants me to hire a lawyer and fight it.. Is there any chance that I'd win? I mean they never gave me any English instructions or information when I went to get my license. I took the test without studying, just used my basic knowledge of driving from America and what I had picked up while living here..

Their machine could have been wrong, there could have been human error involved. My speedo could have been screwed. Thus I thought i was doing 60, but it showed 90..

I never knew anything about the points system etc... or the 30Km over rule..

Could have been that the radar was pointed at another car when they got my plate number.. a mix up perhaps?

What do you think the chances of my success with a decent lawyer in regular court would be?

[Naniwan Kid]

Honestly? 100 to 1. But that is a mostly baseless opinion....I have never heard of a gaijin "getting off"

It's better than the three days in jail my American buddy did for fighting. No charges...no phone call....no trial, just three days on a concrete floor eating watery rice. He lost about 5 or 6 pounds.

[Big Booger]

sounds like an excellent diet plan 2 weeks in Jail, 20-25 pounds off, guaranteed

[Andocrates]

I always thought a couple weeks in Japanese lock-up would be an excellent crash course in Japanese, provided some big sucker don't take a shine to me.

[American Oyaji]

The best way to get out of a ticket is to DENY everything!!

MEANING: No matter what they say, DENY you understand.

If they speak Japanese to you. Speak English. If they speak GREAT English, cuss them out in French.

I had a Japanese woman in the car with me one time when I got caught, she acted like she was Korean.

I got busted another time by myself, he said "ovaspeedo" I started talking about bathing suits.

I've gotten 3 tickets in Japan. One on my base license and the other on my Japanese license.

I got a parking ticket when my car wouldnt run, A ticket for running a red light, but the officers actually wrote down the mitigating circumstances. There was a bus right in front of me that had JUST gone through, and I couldn't see the light was red. (Thats what I told them). So Instead of 15,000, I only had to pay 9,000. These were local cops too, so they KNEW I could speak Japanese and I was nice to them and apologized and talked about the weather to them. I didn't act like an ass.

I got one speeding ticket that I went thru the roof. I was speeding, but another car was right in front of me going a bit faster. They pulled me over, but didnt pull him over. He was driving one of those gangster muscle cars too and he swerved suddenly and I didn't know why. He either saw them or he had a radar detector and threw it off by swerving. They pulled me over and I was yelling at the cop (WHAT ABOUT THAT GUY). I later apologized for yelling. Didn't help I had my Japanese wife in the car with me. I wasn't gonna get off.

[Steve Bildermann]

My wife wants me to hire a lawyer and fight it.. Is there any chance that I'd win? I mean they never gave me any English instructions or information when I went to get my license. I took the test without studying, just used my basic knowledge of driving from America and what I had picked up while living here..

Their machine could have been wrong, there could have been human error involved. My speedo could have been screwed. Thus I thought i was doing 60, but it showed 90..

I never knew anything about the points system etc... or the 30Km over rule..

Could have been that the radar was pointed at another car when they got my plate number.. a mix up perhaps?

What do you think the chances of my success with a decent lawyer in regular court would be?

Fighting this in a Japanese court would be *very* foolish. You *will* lose, trust me.

You would be very lucky to even find a lawyer willing to try without a lot of up front money (you don't qualify for legal aid on this BTW)

Conviction rate in traffic cases is ...wait for it....99.3% - no shit.

In Japan, as in most other countries, traffic offences, particularly speeding are much more about revenue enhancement then actual law and order.

Best advice is to simply suck it up and move on. Sorry.

[jingai]

[Big Booger]

Well I've decided to suck it up and take whatever they give me.. but I think it is a load of shit.. I've learned now to speed like hell on backroads and 2 lane roads when there are no cops around.

I just can't believe the first time, they yank your testicles around like you're a 3rd strike felon.. it is bullsheet if you ask me..

In America cops have the discretion, if they so choose, to let you off with a warning provided you weren't doing something really dangerous and you have a clean record.. but here that doesn't mean shit.. Japanese are so anal about every farking rule..

I'll be sure to do the same to every single foreigner when I return to America. I might start working for the INS and sticking them like they do me here..

Oh, so you're Japanese.. hehehe, You know I had some great experiences in Japan.. hehehe Yep, that's right, even if your paperwork is in perfect order, you'll be coming back 2 maybe 3 times. LOL Farking bastids.

[Taro Toporific]

..be happy the cops didn't hound you on a new "Black Panther" motorbike. ..'Believe it or not, this type of motorcycle belongs to the police in Wakayama'.... In case you can't read, listen to the world's worst voice actress read this: http://www.tbs.co.jp/catchat/news_surf/2003/030719/ram/030719_eng01.ram
Priceless!

Take my word for it: Wakayama-ben is the most vulgar of all the Japanese dialects.

[Naniwan Kid]

Really? We were just visiting a friend in Wakayama and met her parents for the first time, and her mom said her Japanese had gotten worse (more "kitanai") since she had left home to college and have met people form other regions. I am not sure of the specifics of the language she used, the Wakayama-ben I heard there sounded a lot like Osaka-ben (being right next door it made sense), but the one Wakayama oayaji I met talked so fucking fast I could only catch every third word....

[katakori]

does it occure to you that the speed limit is not to annoy you, but possibly because over a certain limit, you may think you're a god but you are not in control of the machine you are driving??

next time you kill someone, think about this (hint, it can be someone in your car, in the car you hit, both, or some pedestrian who was just happy until they met you).

some people were talking about the death penalty on another thread. the fact that you have a licence for your wheeled weapon doesn't mean you don't have to behave responsibly.

[sideways_gaijin]

thing for a non-"driver" to say!

He wasn't speeding through a village at school leaving time you know! Just because you don't approve of speeding, or probably know how to drive properly, doesn't mean you have to lay a guilt trip on people who do know how to drive. I used to race cars professionally and I speed everyday. Usually over 100mph. I've never killed anyone, or had an accident and I don't think I'm god! If you don't have enough confidence in your driving skills to do 90kmh you're doing something wrong!

[jingai]

sideways_gaijin- I don't think you would want most drivers going 90MPH+, ever. Even on the highways they are dangerous because they don't understand how differently cars handle at those speeds, and many cars simply aren't safe when pushed to the limits. Some tires aren't even rated to go that fast, and a blowout at that speed could be catastrophic.
If you speed like that and survive, it's because you know when it's safe to. You also know how unpredictable real-life drivers and real life roads are, unlike professional racers where everyone is moving in the same direction.
I think accidents are less about skills than about understanding probability. If you slow down when a situation seems dangerous, when someone is driving erratically, or when conditions demand, then you are playing it safe, and that itself is a skill.

[katakori]

adding to jingai whose comment i approve,

thing for a non-"driver" to say!

according to you, all drivers want to drive fast?? how pretentious...

He wasn't speeding through a village at school leaving time you know!

oooooooh! then of course, it's ok. sorry... everywhere where there is a speed limit of 60 is either a village or nearby a school... sorry, i would have thought there are other places where pedestrians can walk. but how could i know? i'm not a driver, and i'm not a pedestrian either...

Just because you don't approve of speeding,

it's not about me. who cares about what i approve or not...??
i don't think you fully understand the concept of living with other beings, in a society. i never said i approve or disapprove anything more than just obeying rules of conduct when you operate a dangerous tool...

or probably know how to drive properly, doesn't mean you have to lay a guilt trip on people who do know how to drive.

driving at 90 when it's limited to 60, then complaining because you got caught does not qualify as "knowing how to drive". the so-called "guilt trip" was in proportion with the childish reactions about the driver being a victim of evil cruel society... if you can handle the consequences of your actions, behave. that's all i'm saying.

I used to race cars professionally and I speed everyday.

you're so cool!!
as i said, please do it "until you kill someone and have to remember it for the rest of your life". the very idea of an "accident" is that it happens when you don't expect it and you do not have control over it.
beside, i never said you are a bad person...

Usually over 100mph. I've never killed anyone, or had an accident and I don't think I'm god!

when you used to race, did you maintain a speed of 100mph all the time on the circuit? probably not. there are times and places. just like in real life. and not only in driving.

If you don't have enough confidence in your driving skills to do 90kmh you're doing something wrong!

oooh... i'm the one with a problem....?
because i obey the law or because i know that people can be killed by brainless overspeeding drivers? or because i know that breaking is exponentially proportional to your speed...?

your argument proves the need of some action against people who just don't give a fuck. on the thread i refered to before, some where saying death penalty is not about "punishment", but "making sure the person is removed from society and not able to do it again". think about it when they get your licence and you need to buy a pushbike...


(how interesting, it can happen to even the best ones...)

[Captain Japan]

I never knew anything about the points system etc... or the 30Km over rule..

A couple of months ago I was driving with my friend (he was driving) in Nagano. We were descending a mountain road. At the bottom there was a cop motioning for us to pull over into this parking lot. Apparently other cops with radar guns were stationed halfway up the grade who signaled below that we were speeding. I believe we were 20 kph over. On this day business was brisk. There were loads of other cars getting pulled over after us. In the parking lot it was like a big ticketing party; there were about 10 vans and squad cars handling the demand.

The thing that was truly fucked is that this was purely about revenue. The fine was a flat 15,000 yen no matter what speed. And no points were taken off. In other words, they didn't give a fuck about safety. It was just 15,000 yen and get on your way. Assemblyline ticketing.

[kotatsuneko]

edit.

and that runt from smap killed someone also in a hit and run didnt he? johnnys sure bought him out of that one.. tho he justifiably gets a lot of hasssle on tv, ppl calling him criminal, killer even once or twice..

i dont drive, i choose not to, its too much hassle, too much money, and too dangerous, public transport rules...

imho there is no excuse ever for breaking the driving laws, they are there for a reason and no matter how you "must" get somewhere or are "frustrated" by an empty road and tempted to speed, doing so turns you into a potential murderer and you should have your car taken away.

i would like to say i hope you get the charges dropped, but you were in the wrong, you broke the law, and took advantage of the fact that you are licenced to drive.

most drivers here are awful, so we dont need the small gaijin population adding to the dangers of crossing the street do we? i was almost killed by a speeding car, was 2 inches away from death, so i do have some kind of perspective on this... i hope you never speed again, rather than speed and hope you get away with it.. you were wrong, the other guy was wrong also... but think about the lives of others yeh?

[bakagakirai]

Booger or whatever the hell your name is - you are an assinine wanker. Try driving a bicycle when cretins like you are on the road.

The sooner you're gone, the better, matey.

[sideways_gaijin]

if it's 3am on the Wangan Expressway and you're in a powerful car, there's no traffic on the road for miles, all lanes empty, what do you do? stick at 60mph and drive on or put your footdown for a high speed blast? Japan is famous for it's insane drivers.....drifting in the mountains, Skyline's racing down the expressways at midnight! It's world famous! I experienced it in Tokyo and Osaka...everyone does it! You're probably not aware that it's such a huge subculture. Anyway....I take your points, but can't agree. There is a time to drive slowly, and there can be a time to speed! Hang around Daikoku Futo on a Saturday night and see what happens. People will be racing up and down the bridge all night long!

[Big Booger]

Booger or whatever the hell your name is - you are an assinine wanker. Try driving a bicycle when cretins like you are on the road.

The sooner you're gone, the better, matey.

Lick balls chopper!



If you don't want to support me, piss off. hehehe, seriously you are entitled to your opinion, but frankly, I don't give a rats ass what you say.. You are like a zit, that if ignored will go a way.

I was caught speeding, in my home country, I would have gotten off with a warning.. here I am sent to court for money.. BS I say!

You act like I am a maniac on wheels, yet you know nothing of my driving ability.. you sir are assinine.. you are speaking out of your ass without knowing me personally! It's comments like that, that make me want to run down any gaijin on a bicycle LOL just kidding by the way.

I know I was wrong, but I have been driving here for 2 years. In that time, I've never been caught speeding, never had a parking ticket, never ran a red light, stop sign, etc... My previous driving history until that day was spotless.. but that doesn't amount to shit here.. they don't care if you are granny gobbles in your Toppo, if you are speeding, they throw the book at you, and like Captain Japan says, it's all about the money! they want me to pay the fines and all that loddy dah dah shit..


I don't race. hell I am a decent driver. On this particular day, I wasn't drag racing with the driver next to me, I was chatting with my wife on the way to walk my dog and wash my car. Had I not been chatting with her, I might have been able to see them in advance to slow down.. thus not get this ticket. And this isn't a busy downtown road. it is a 4 lane highway, 2 lanes on each side, with a barrier in the middle.. there are no cyclers on this road.

I have learned my lesson, pay more attention to the road when I am speeding, and get a radar detector/jammer. These will be the first things I get on my next pay check! Also, try not to speed in radar zones!

I have to admit I have paid more attention to my speed..