Child Abduction Issue Explodes

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[Greji]

Whatever you gaijins are yelling, kidnapping is nothing but kidnapping.
And before divorce, this dude went back America with his wife and children only for a secret plan to do profitable divorce for him. Why don't you blame the meanness?

Brush up on you law studies Tak. There ain't no way to get a profitable divorce in the US for a dude....

But my point remains, if he is not considered legally divorced and is a Japanese national, what statute has he violated? How is it kidnapping?

[Kurofune]

My heart goes out to Craig Morrey. I hope he can resolve his situation and get Spencer to the US soon.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

If he is not considered legally divorced and is a Japanese national, what statute has he violated? How is it kidnapping?

I'm not 100% sure here, but I am guessing that it's because of the forcible removal of the kids from their mother's care, regardless of the fact that he is the father and even presuming that he retains custody under J-law.
Laws related to abduction come with provisos about the intent of the abduction, so I would guess he is being held because he planned to remove the children from Japan.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

My heart goes out to Craig Morrey. I hope he can resolve his situation and get Spencer to the US soon.

I'm with you....Good on him for sticking it out and I hope things go well for him and Spencer.

[Mike Oxlong]

Freedom!

[maraboutslim]

From that news report:

The United States, Canada, Britain and France have urged Japan to sign the 1980 Hague Convention on International Child Abduction. The convention, signed by 81 countries, seeks to ensure that custody decisions are made by the courts of a country of abducted children's original residence and that the rights of access of both parents are protected.

Yet another reason this is a terrible "test case". The Hague Convention would support Japan making the custody decision and not do anything to uphold the decision made in the usa in this case since the children's residence had always been Japan.

[Mulboyne]

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Yet another reason this is a terrible "test case". The Hague Convention would support Japan making the custody decision and not do anything to uphold the decision made in the usa in this case since the children's residence had always been Japan.

I think that might be a misunderstanding of Hague. The same point was raised earlier in this thread.

[Samurai_Jerk]

My heart goes out to Craig Morrey. I hope he can resolve his situation and get Spencer to the US soon.

Unless that kids is already being covered by US medical insurance there is no way he could afford care when he went back.

[Mulboyne]

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[Mike Oxlong]

[SIZE="5"]Britain to press Japan on foreign fathers' rights to access children[/SIZE]

London is to put fresh pressure on Tokyo to improve the rights of its nationals seeking access to their children living in Japan with estranged partners.

Britain is trying to assist its citizens who are either seeking the return of their kids to the United Kingdom, or are denied access to their children by the Japanese civil courts.

The Foreign Office in London believes Japanese courts presiding in custody cases could be breaching obligations under the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child....

http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/britain-to-press-japan-on-foreign-fathers-rights-to-access-children

[Taro Toporific]

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daylife.com -- Oct. 16, 2009U.S. Ambassador to Japan John Roos, right, looks on Japan's Justice Minister Keiko Chiba as Roos and diplomats from seven countries meet Chiba at her office in Tokyo, Japan, Friday, Oct. 16, 2009. They urged Japan to quickly resolve a growing number of custody disputes here involving foreign parents Friday, a day after police freed an American man from custody over accusations he snatched his children from his ex-wife.

[Mulboyne]

[Cyka UchuuJin]

AP: Japan urged to solve global child custody disputes

'the haven't pressed charges but haven't dropped the case'

he's out of the country, most likely with a black mark on his passport that won't let him come back in. the children are in japan. the japanese mother has custody under japanese law.

case closed.

[omae mona]

I really think the diplomats are going to blow this if they try to push for Japan to change its way of thinking about custody in parental disputes. Bad idea. They should stick to pressuring Japan to sign Hague, which simply says "you can't kidnap kids from another country". If Britain is trying to convince Japan that a couple living in Japan under Japanese law should have their divorce treated differently just because one parent is foreign, I don't think they are going to succeed. I wish people would stop conflating the issue of Hague Convention with the issue of domestic family law.

[Mike Oxlong]

THAT looks like an image of a real international couple!

Roos: You're gonna ignore everything I say and run back to to Japan with the issues.
Okada: You think too much, hunny...

[Catoneinutica]

THAT looks like an image of a real international couple!

Roos: You're gonna ignore everything I say and run back to to Japan with the issues.
Okada: You think too much, hunny...

[Catoneinutica]

John Roos in happier times:

[Mike Oxlong]

[Takechanpoo]

I do know that this hage oyaji was in charge of fund gathering of Obama in presidental election. Of course, this hage also came to Japan just to gather, more accurately steal money from Japanese nationals to save damn American economy.

[Mulboyne]

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That's interesting, I'd also spotted Zamora's website when there were stories that Savoie snatched his kids with a group of men and I wondered if anyone advertised such a service. As it is, there is no confirmation that Savoie did act in concert with others so it may be true or may just be hyperbole.

It does seem that this issue has gained some traction now as other diplomats have taken the opportunity to press Japan. Craig Morrey, another left-behind father, had this to say on Japan Probe:

"I would have preferred not to be linked to the Savoie situation because it is completely different. As sad as it seems, our story would probably not have been considered newsworthy without it though."

There are a number of online comments criticizing Savoie hmself and the accompanying US press coverage but there are a number of desperate parents who are probably grateful to see abduction get any attention at all. For most of them, if Japan becomes a signatory to Hague then it will likely be too late to make a difference in their individual cases.

[Catoneinutica]

I do know that this hage oyaji was in charge of fund gathering of Obama in presidental election. Of course, this hage also came to Japan just to gather, more accurately steal money from Japanese nationals to save damn American economy.

Roos really does seem to be the quintessential can't-find-New-Zealand-on-a-map political-donor-rewarded-with-an-ambassadorship. It speaks to Obama's priorities that for Ambassador to China he appointed a guy who's actually quite intelligent, speaks Mandarin fluently, and has metrosexual good looks:



-catone
-I ain't a queer or nothin', but Huntsman's got nice hair

[Cyka UchuuJin]

Roos really does seem to be the quintessential can't-find-New-Zealand-on-a-map political-donor-rewarded-with-an-ambassadorship. It speaks to Obama's priorities that for Ambassador to China he appointed a guy who's actually quite intelligent, speaks Mandarin fluently, and has metrosexual good looks:



-catone
-I ain't a queer or nothin', but Huntsman's got nice hair

sorry catone, but i need a judge's ruling on those last few words.

metrosexual good looks? definitely not. he looks like the typical overcoiffed travelling salesman that sportfucks hookers ('i never do this, ever. honestly! just since my wife's gone off sex i get lonely sometimes') on the company travel expenses account.

[Gilligan]

nm.

[Gilligan]

sorry catone, but i need a judge's ruling on those last few words.

Agreed. Beginning any comment with the qualifier, "I'm not a(n) X, but ..." is always a red flag. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

he looks like the typical overcoiffed travelling salesman that sportfucks hookers ('i never do this, ever. honestly! just since my wife's gone off sex i get lonely sometimes') on the company travel expenses account.

In my book, the accusation only counts if he got caught.

[Catoneinutica]

Agreed. Beginning any comment with the qualifier, "I'm not a(n) X, but ..." is always a red flag. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

"La raison de ce refus est la nécessité pour elle" - "The reason for the denial is the need for it" (could someone fix my shit-TAY French?). Hence the character Dave the Lighting Guy in the movie Orgazmo.

As for Huntsman, he's a Mormon, so he's probably more into cornholin' fellas in The Priesthood than sportfuckin' hookers.

[dimwit]

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[dimwit]

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Roos looks like he has a case of wig envy.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Roos looks like he has a case of wig envy.

Ha, ha!

My first impression was that it was one of those "Who farted?" pictures....

[Mike Oxlong]

I think I f*cked up the name; she's Chiba, and the foreign minister is Okada. Anyhoo...

Roos: The US would like Japan to be signatory to the Hague Convention and to receive a committment to work together to make a serious attempt at resolving current cases with us and our Western allies.
Chiba:...<stares into space>
Roos: You're response, madam minister?
Chiba:...<continues examining the sign above the nearest door>
Roos: <don't say 'for f*ck's sake' out loud...>