Japan wannabes "waiting to be insiders"

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

Ho hum. What is difficult to understand is why you think your Japanese is so good. Where are you hanging out anyway? Where do you hear people speaking like this and women saying "omae." It is low class.

Whether it is low class or not, people say it. I am not condoning it.

Look, you are wrong. Omae nansai is not a female pattern.

[Armandeus]

You are once again, mistaken. This is a common problem for you. 17 years and counting.

A common problem for you is the childish tendency to follow every comment with a personal insult.

Since you don't believe me regarding how natives speak, here is a link to a website where a native Japanese uses "aoi desu" in a sentence. This is how people speak chief. Get over it:

In your sentence, it would have been correct to say aoi no da or just aoi. You don't have to believe me if you don't want. I don't care. Your sentence was unnatural. That's a fact.

[Armandeus]

Look, you are wrong. Omae nansai is not a female pattern.

I know very well that it is not a "female pattern." That is not what I am trying to say. I am saying that there are females, especially young ones when speaking to their friends or when angry, who will use this, and I have heard it many many times. Whether it is rude or low class is a different problem, and so is whether those females should use male sounding language. However, your protests will not alter the fact that there are those who do say this.

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

Since you don't believe me regarding how natives speak, here is a link to a website where a native Japanese uses "aoi desu" in a sentence. This is how people speak chief. Get over it:

In your sentence, it would have been correct to say aoi no da or just aoi. You don't have to believe me if you want. I don't care. Your sentence was unnatural. That's a fact.[/quote]

This is a fact??? No this is a fabrication. I have even posted a link to a page where a native Japanese uses EXACTLY my pattern. You are just wrong and thank you for harping on this point because it really is an indication you don't know what you are talking about.

[Armandeus]

This is a fact??? No this is a fabrication. I have even posted a link to a page where a native Japanese uses EXACTLY my pattern. You are just wrong and thank you for harping on this point because it really is an indication you don't know what you are talking about.

I can't help it if you have no sense of what sounds natural and what does not. Ask your native speaking Japanese friends, if you have any.

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

Look, you are wrong. Omae nansai is not a female pattern.

I know very well that it is not a "female pattern." That is not what I am trying to say. I am saying that there are females, especially young ones when speaking to their friends or when angry, who will use this, and I have heard it many many times. Whether it is rude or low class is a different problem, and so is whether those females should use male sounding language. However, your protests will not alter the fact that there are those who do say this.

Now you are going into evasion mode. Here are your mistakes. You said Omae nansai sounded feminine. It does not. You said aoi da is wrong. It is not. You don't really speak Japanese. You have just come to believe the compliments you get from the old farts in the country.

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

This is a fact??? No this is a fabrication. I have even posted a link to a page where a native Japanese uses EXACTLY my pattern. You are just wrong and thank you for harping on this point because it really is an indication you don't know what you are talking about.

I can't help it if you have no sense of what sounds natural and what does not. Ask your native speaking Japanese friends, if you have any.

Yeah, that is what you did. You have shown what I wrote to someone (your bowlegged wife probably) and she told you what was "wrong." Well your wife is a nitwit too and an impartial jury convicts you of being stubborn on this. THERE IS A LINK WHERE A NATIVE JAPANESE SPEAKS JUST AS I DO. Get a clue.

PS: I wouldn't ask my friends to waste their time on judging my Japanese. They don't have to. I have nothing to worry about. Go back to the books.

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

Here is yet another link with my pattern:

http://www.hojo-tsukasa.com/cgi-bin/bbs/bbs.cgi?function=log&logno=348

Native Japanese speaking as I do! Holy Cow!

[Armandeus]

Now you are going into evasion mode.

I am not evading anything.

Here are your mistakes. You said Omae nansai sounded feminine. It does not.

It does in certain cases. I already said that it is an iffy thing, and I granted you that.

You said aoi da is wrong. It is not.

Aoi desu is not wrong. Aoi da is incorrect. Desu is there to show politeness. It does not equate with da in this instance. I have just confirmed this, and your other mistakes with a native speaker of Japanese, and you are wrong.

You don't really speak Japanese.
You have just come to believe the compliments you get from the old farts in the country.

That comment describes you, my friend. You are most definitely mistaken here. You don't even know the difference between desu and da, and that you do not follow an adjective with da.

[Armandeus]

Yeah, that is what you did. You have shown what I wrote to someone (your bowlegged wife probably) and she told you what was "wrong." Well your wife is a nitwit too and an impartial jury convicts you of being stubborn on this. THERE IS A LINK WHERE A NATIVE JAPANESE SPEAKS JUST AS I DO. Get a clue.

Wrong once again. And your link shows aoi desu, which is not the same as aoi da. You get a clue.

Leave my personal life, which you know nothing about, out of this discussion.

PS: I wouldn't ask my friends to waste their time on judging my Japanese. They don't have to. I have nothing to worry about. Go back to the books.

You are the one who needs to study more. It is obvious. Only your arrogance prevents you from acknowledging this fact.

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

Here are your mistakes. You said Omae nansai sounded feminine. It does not.

It does in certain cases. I already said that it is an iffy thing, and I granted you that.

That is not what you said in the beginning....

You said aoi da is wrong. It is not.

Aoi desu is not wrong. Aoi da is incorrect. Desu is there to show politeness. It does not equate with da in this instance. I have just confirmed this, and your other mistakes with a native speaker of Japanese, and you are wrong.

Oh, I thought it was a particle after a connector thingie or whatever. Now it is a politeness thing. This is not what you said with confidence before. Well, you are both wrong and your "friend" is scraping.

You don't really speak Japanese.
You have just come to believe the compliments you get from the old farts in the country.

[Armandeus]

That is not what you said in the beginning....

What difference does it make? I told you twice already that it sounds iffy but it is not incorrect. You are dense.

Oh, I thought it was a particle after a connector thingie or whatever. Now it is a politeness thing. This is not what you said with confidence before. Well, you are both wrong and your "friend" is scraping.

It IS a copula after an adjective thing (which you can't even seem to comprehend). DESU is appended after the adjective to show politeness. It is not the same as adding DA, which would be incorrectly following an adjective with a copula. Do you understand now?

And I could ask a thousand Japanese and they would all say that I am correct. Why don't you ask one? You will see.

Here is proof. You will not find aoi da on these pages, only things like aoi dake and so on.

http://www.google.co.jp/search?q=%E9%9D%92%E3%81%84%E3%81%A0&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=ja&btnG=Google+%E6%A4%9C%E7%B4%A2&lr=lang_ja

I want to hear what your native Japanese friends have to say. I challenge you to ask one.

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

That is not what you said in the beginning....

What difference does it make? I told you twice already that it sounds iffy but it is not incorrect. You are dense.

Nope, you came out with a commnet and are just now backing off.

Oh, I thought it was a particle after a connector thingie or whatever. Now it is a politeness thing. This is not what you said with confidence before. Well, you are both wrong and your "friend" is scraping.

It IS a copula after an adjective thing (which you can't even seem to comprehend). DESU is appended after the adjective to show politeness. It is not the same as adding DA, which would be incorrectly following an adjective with a copula. Do you understand now?

And I could ask a thousand Japanese and they would all say that I am correct. Why don't you ask one? You will see.[/quote]

I have just done that. They had no problem. Well, now what.

Here is proof. You will not find aoi da on these pages, only things like aoi dake and so on.

http://www.google.co.jp/search?q=%E9%9D%92%E3%81%84%E3%81%A0&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=ja&btnG=Google+%E6%A4%9C%E7%B4%A2&lr=lang_ja

this isn't proof of anything. it just isn't popping up here.

I want to hear what your native Japanese friends have to say. I challenge you to ask one.

Just did, see above.

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

Futhermore, this isn't about what your friends know. It is about what you know and you passed right over everything on the first look. Then you ran around to your students/bowlegged wife to see what they think. Their input doesn't count. Sorry!

[Armandeus]

Nope, you came out with a commnet and are just now backing off.

Wrong. Reread the thread.

I have just done that. They had no problem. Well, now what.

Well, now I doubt the truthfulness of your statement, or the native speaker status of your Japanese person.

this isn't proof of anything. it just isn't popping up here.

Why is it that when you use the exact same method to provide evidence, I am supposed to take it as proof? You contradict yourself.

Futhermore, this isn't about what your friends know. It is about what you know and you passed right over everything on the first look. Then you ran around to your students/bowlegged wife to see what they think. Their input doesn't count. Sorry!

Wrong. I know for a fact that you are wrong. I only asked a friend (not my "wife" - did you ask your bowlegged mother?) because you did not believe me.

You are wrong. I have provided evidence, and I have verified it. Nothing you can say will convince me otherwise, because it is the truth. Sorry!

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

Nope, you came out with a commnet and are just now backing off.

Wrong. Reread the thread.

I have just done that. They had no problem. Well, now what.

Well, now I doubt the truthfulness of your statement, or the native speaker status of your Japanese person.

this isn't proof of anything. it just isn't popping up here.

Why is it that when you use the exact same method to provide evidence, I am supposed to take it as proof? You contradict yourself.

Futhermore, this isn't about what your friends know. It is about what you know and you passed right over everything on the first look. Then you ran around to your students/bowlegged wife to see what they think. Their input doesn't count. Sorry!

Wrong. I know for a fact that you are wrong. I only asked a friend (not my "wife" - did you ask your bowlegged mother?) because you did not believe me.

You are wrong. Nothing you can say will convince me otherwise, because it is the truth. Sorry!

HARDY HAR! How long have I jerked your stupid chain over this! Thanks for the memories.

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

this isn't proof of anything. it just isn't popping up here.

Why is it that when you use the exact same method to provide evidence, I am supposed to take it as proof? You contradict yourself.

Here is where the dumb Arkie in you creeps out. Finding it is proof, not finding it just means that maybe it isn't popping up. By the way, you have been crank yanked!

[Armandeus]

HARDY HAR! How long have I jerked your stupid chain over this! Thanks for the memories.

Goodbye, loser.

[Armandeus]

Here is where the dumb Arkie in you creeps out. Finding it is proof, not finding it just means that maybe it isn't popping up.

There is a small chance that that is true, you poor excuse for a human being, but the most reasonable assumption is that since it doesn't occur it just doesn't occur. It is wrong, and so are you.

If you are correct, then you will be able to find multiple examples of "aoi da." You have not, so you are wrong.

By the way, you have been crank yanked!

You are just trying to worm your way out of this by making some new puerile comment. You don't impress me.

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

Here is where the dumb Arkie in you creeps out. Finding it is proof, not finding it just means that maybe it isn't popping up.

There is a small chance that that is true, you poor excuse for a human being, but the most reasonable assumption is that since it doesn't occur it just doesn't occur. It is wrong, and so are you.

If you are correct, then you will be able to find multiple examples of "aoi da." You have not, so you are wrong.

By the way, you have been crank yanked!

You are just trying to worm your way out of this by making some new puerile comment. You don't impress me.

Say what you want but these "mistakes" eluded your detection for a full day. Why did it take you so long Armandeus??? Why? It is because you didn't have some one looking over your shoulder. That is why. That is my way of finding out how much you know. You can cut and paste anything you want but it doesn't prove you wrote it. Furthermore, let me INFORM of the most strange aspect of the sentences in question. People your even your age don't generally use the word aoi these days. For 17 years in Japan you are remarkably slow on the gun (in comparison to all the other insults you slung my way I wonder what kept you waiting).

[Armandeus]

Say what you want but these "mistakes" eluded your detection for a full day. Why did it take you so long Armandeus??? Why?

So very very wrong. I noticed them right off the bat. I didn't mention them right away because I thought that only rude obnoxious people like you nitpick others for little crap.

It is because you didn't have some one looking over your shoulder. That is why. That is my way of finding out how much you know. You can cut and paste anything you want but it doesn't prove you wrote it. Furthermore, let me INFORM of the most strange aspect of the sentences in question. People your even your age don't generally use the word aoi these days. For 17 years in Japan you are remarkably slow on the gun (in comparison to all the other insults you slung my way I wonder what kept you waiting).

Not only are you wrong yet again, but your assumptions about Japanese are wrong. If so, then why did you use it?

There is no-one here with me, no-one looking over my shoulder. I cut and pasted nothing. Everything I wrote was my idea, and I announced the fact to you when I did consult with a native, which was long after I noticed your errors.

I didn't nitpick you initially because I thought it would be stooping to your low level. I regret having shown that small amount of common courtesy to someone like you.

You're only sore because you are wrong yet again. Your arrogance and stubborness prevent you from acknowledging your ignorance. You will probably try to find another childish way to twist this against me, but it is plain to see you are grasping for straws. You have lost, repeatedly.

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

Say what you want but these "mistakes" eluded your detection for a full day. Why did it take you so long Armandeus??? Why?

So very very wrong. I noticed them right off the bat. I didn't mention them right away because I thought that only rude obnoxious people like you nitpick others for little crap.

Oh my fucking God. After all the shitheads, motherf'ker comments you have slung, who do you think believes this? Furthermore, I am sure I have posted far fewer obscenities in this thread than you. Who is puerile now?

It is because you didn't have some one looking over your shoulder. That is why. That is my way of finding out how much you know. You can cut and paste anything you want but it doesn't prove you wrote it. Furthermore, let me INFORM of the most strange aspect of the sentences in question. People your even your age don't generally use the word aoi these days. For 17 years in Japan you are remarkably slow on the gun (in comparison to all the other insults you slung my way I wonder what kept you waiting).

Not only are you wrong yet again, but your assumptions about Japanese are wrong. There is no-one here with me, no-one looking over my back. I don't know why, but I didn't nitpick you initially because I thought it would be stooping to your low level.

You're only sore because you are wrong yet again. Your arrogance and stubborness prevents you from acknowledging your ignorance. You will probably try to find another childish way to twist this against me, but it is plain to see you are grasping for straws. You have lost, repeatedly.

Who has lost. You say immediately above, no one is with you but further above you say you just asked someone who is Japanese. Uhhhh...what is wrong with this picture? Could you be the liar? Yes.

Frankly, I have got you pegged. You are an Arkie from the sticks who wound up in Japan by accident and found that it was a place where some people were actually interested in him (for the first time in his life). That is why you are there. Furthermore, your Japanese is quite mediocre.

So there!

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

I have just confirmed this, and your other mistakes with a native speaker of Japanese, and you are wrong.

Ahem, this was taken from your 11:00PM approx. post. Yet you claim below you haven't asked anyone's advice....hmmmmm....here is where the liar reveals himself.

[Armandeus]

Oh my fucking God. After all the shitheads, motherf'ker comments you have slung, who do you think believes this? Furthermore, I am sure I have posted far fewer obscenities in this thread than you. Who is puerile now?

Do I really need to count all the times you used insults like that? I made a conscious effort to match your insults one for one, so you could not criticize me in this way. Go back and reread the thread, I tell you for the fourth time. And it is you who called me "motherfucker." You have a very bad selective reading habit.

Who has lost. You say immediately above, no one is with you but further above you say you just asked someone who is Japanese. Uhhhh...what is wrong with this picture? Could you be the liar? Yes.

Have you ever heard of the telephone?

Frankly, I have got you pegged. You are an Arkie from the sticks who wound up in Japan by accident and found that it was a place where some people were actually interested in him (for the first time in his life). That is why you are there. Furthermore, your Japanese is quite mediocre.

You are completely and utterly incorrect. I came here because I wanted to, and I am staying here because I love it and am successful here on my own merits. And even if my Japanese is mediocre, which it is not - it is damned good, it is still far better than yours.

[Armandeus]

I have just confirmed this, and your other mistakes with a native speaker of Japanese, and you are wrong.

Ahem, this was taken from your 11:00PM approx. post. Yet you claim below you haven't asked anyone's advice....hmmmmm....here is where the liar reveals himself.

I just got through telling you that I asked a native after I told you about your mistakes and you would not believe me. Reread the thread, and try to read comprehensively and slowly this time.

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

There is no-one here with me, no-one looking over my shoulder. I cut and pasted nothing. Everything I wrote was my idea, and I announced the fact to you when I did consult with a native, which was long after I noticed your errors.

First let me tell you that what you wrote was fucking bizarre. Second, a full day went by Armandeus before you said anything. Thanks for proving that you just can't pick stuff up. Or, if you can, you were too tentative to say anything.

[Armandeus]

First let me tell you that what you wrote was fucking bizarre. Second, a full day went by Armandeus before you said anything. Thanks for proving that you just can't pick stuff up. Or, if you can, you were too tentative to say anything.

Give me a break. You are only just now coming up with this "sleuth work" in order to try and weasel out of the fact that you were wrong.

1. I noticed your errors as soon as I read them. I was tactful, and did not nitpick you because I thought it was a low thing to do.

2. You made derogatory comments about my Japanese, and demanded that I tell you what errors you made. I responded by telling you about your mistakes.

3. You did not believe me.

4. I consulted a native friend by telephone and told you about it.

Reread the thread. This is the truth. If you want to delude yourself into thinking it is not, be my guest.

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

Who has lost. You say immediately above, no one is with you but further above you say you just asked someone who is Japanese. Uhhhh...what is wrong with this picture? Could you be the liar? Yes.

Have you ever heard of the telephone?

Look, "looking over your shoulder" doesn't mean that someone literally has to be there. It means you went looking for help. At 11:00pm at night for that matter. Your "friends" probably think you are nuts and they would be right.

Frankly, I have got you pegged. You are an Arkie from the sticks who wound up in Japan by accident and found that it was a place where some people were actually interested in him (for the first time in his life). That is why you are there. Furthermore, your Japanese is quite mediocre.

You are completely and utterly incorrect. I came here because I wanted to, and I am staying here because I love it and am successful here on my own merits. And even if my Japanese is mediocre, which it is not - it is damned good, it is still far better than yours.

Nope, it sure ain't if the above is anything to go by. You are only successful in comparison to what you would have been in the states. Which is nothing by the way. You love it because the Japanese countryside is one place where even the most pathetic loser can feel special. You love it because it was the first halfway decent place you ever went to.

That is why.

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

First let me tell you that what you wrote was fucking bizarre. Second, a full day went by Armandeus before you said anything. Thanks for proving that you just can't pick stuff up. Or, if you can, you were too tentative to say anything.

Give me a break. You are only just now coming up with this "sleuth work" in order to try and weasel out of the fact that you were wrong.

I noticed your errors as soon as I read them. I was tactful, and did not nitpick you because I thought it was a low thing to do.

You made derogatory comments about my Japanese, and demanded that I tell you what errors you made. I responded by ending my tactfulness and telling you about your mistakes.

You did not believe me.

I consulted a native friend by telephone and told you about it.

Reread the thread. This is the truth. If you want to delude yourself into thinking it is not, be my guest.

This man is deluded. You were being tactful. Wow! This is quite believable. Okay, i will reread this thread joker.

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

What's the matter? Did I blow your expectations away. Did you think you were the only one with a significant amount of life experience in Japan. You positively pathetic blowhard. I have been living "Japan" my entire life. I spent signficant time being raised by Japanese.

Bullshit. That's not what you have been saying up to now. And I do not claim to be the only one with experience. I was telling you to kiss my ass because you attempted to patronize me, you worthless puke.

Okay, here is a quote from you long before the Japanese thread got started. This is just one example of the tact you were displaying until I finally got you crazy. Also, a quick read confirms your use of vulgarities far exceeds mine. OOPS!