787 -- Only two years late, but ANA pleased

[Bucky]

[Coligny]

Sometimes, waiting for things to be ready before going on sale is considered a good thing...

[Bucky]

[Bucky]

Getting closer

Japanese carrier All Nippon Airways (ANA) and Boeing are gearing up for an important validation of their readiness for the 787 Dreamliner's entry into service.

The second 787 flight-test airplane, ZA002, will fly to Japan over the weekend to kick off the service-ready operational validation with ANA, the 787 launch customer.

Throughout the week of July 4, ANA pilots, together with Boeing, will fly a 787 on actual airline routes in Japan using airline dispatch and flight rules. ANA's mechanics and ground crews also will gain experience with the airplane in a simulated operational environment.

[cujojpn]

So is this plane going to be the new workhorse for US -> JP flights, replacing the 777 / 747-400 now?

[Coligny]

So is this plane going to be the new workhorse for US -> JP flights, replacing the 777 / 747-400 now?

I don't see this plane as being in the same class as the 777/A380...

I'm not really excited to see this bondoogles the skies... and the wiki is impressively... unimpresive... talking aboot the entertainement/flight control shared network:

Boeing called the report "misleading", saying that various hardware and software solutions are employed to protect the airplane systems, including air gaps for the physical separation of the networks, and firewalls for their software separation.

I'd be pretty surprised the day where I can see air gapped network separated by a firewall (because unless said firewall is of the asbestos kind, both method are mutually exclusive).

If Rolls Royce also make the engines, you might want to avoid living anywhere around its flight path...

[Tsuru]

Ah yes, the 787.... is it ready yet? Almost forgot all about it. Its advantage was always that it was years ahead of the Airbus equivalent because we were busy putting out the A380, but now we've almost arrived at the point where the entry into service coincides with its nemesis from Yurop, the A350.

So is this plane going to be the new workhorse for US -> JP flights, replacing the 777 / 747-400 now?

The 787-8 is a replacement for the 767-300 as used on national routes and the thinner international routes. The larger 787-9 and -10 will be replacements for the oldest 777-200, although the 787-10 is uncertain as it competes directly with the 777-200ER that is still being built new. Which doesn't mean Boeing won't build it, it just means they are in no hurry to do so.

[2triky]

Independent.co.uk
First 787 Dreamliner flight to be between Tokyo and Hong Kong

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Wednesday, 27 July 2011

Travelers who want to be the first to fly on Boeing's new 787 Dreamliner will be able to book a special package with Japanese airline ANA.

The carrier, which will be the first to receive the 787, announced July 25 that the first paid flight available for the public will be the short hop between Tokyo Narita and Hong Kong.

A package tour will be announced by ANA on a special minisite in the coming weeks and is believed to be scheduled for October, roughly a month after the aircraft is delivered to ANA.

For those who don't want to travel to Hong Kong, two special hour-long flights above Tokyo will be made available for members of ANA's Mileage Card loyalty program members to book.

After the first flights, the 787 Dreamliner will enter regular domestic service in Japan, says ANA, either between Tokyo Haneda and Okayama or Tokyo Haneda and Hiroshima.

The new aircraft is the first to be built using composite materials and offers considerable environmental advantages, as well as a better pressurization of the cabin and more interior space to increase comfort for passengers.

Although ANA will be the first to fly it, other airlines also awaiting delivery in the near future include Air India, China Southern, Japan Airlines and Royal Air Maroc.

http://www.ana.co.jp/787

[Coligny]

Travelers who want to be the first to fly on Boeing's new 787 Dreamliner will be able to book a special package with Japanese airline ANA.

Nope

The carrier, which will be the first to receive the 787, announced July 25 that the first paid flight available for the public will be the short hop between Tokyo Narita and Hong Kong.

That's wise...

For those who don't want to travel to Hong Kong, two special hour-long flights above Tokyo will be made available for members of ANA's Mileage Card loyalty program members to book.

That's not exactly a good idea... and from an ecological standpoint, I have yet to see a bigger "Fuck YOU green planet" from anybody...

oups... strike that... I forgot Tepco...

The new aircraft is the first to be built using composite materials and offers considerable environmental advantages, as well as a better pressurization of the cabin and more interior space to increase comfort for passengers.(OR TO CRAM MORE CATTLE...)

Straight from the maker's brochure without annyone understanding or believing what they wrote/read...

[matsuki]

That's not exactly a good idea... and from an ecological standpoint, I have yet to see a bigger "Fuck YOU green planet" from anybody...

oups... strike that... I forgot Tepco...

Can't be cheap either...but who the fuck is going to make it all the way out to Narita and through security for a flight to nowhere? Might as well go to Disneyland...

[Bucky]

Getting closer

SEATTLE: Boeing Co. on Saturday afternoon rolled out the first 787 Dreamliner to be delivered to launch customer All Nippon Airways, decked out with the blue and white colors of the Japanese airline. Boeing presented the plane to ANA executives and crew under clear skies at its Everett factory north of Seattle. The first domestic flights are set to start in Japan in September.

"The plane is being certified to the highest FAA standards," said Scott Fancher, vice president and general manager, 787 program. "But the real focus of the traveling public will likely be on customer satisfaction and the elegance of the flight."

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[2triky]

Flier comfort: Boeing 787 myths and facts

(CNN) -- The long-delayed and much-awaited Boeing 787 aircraft has finished testing and will see its first customer delivery next month to All Nippon Airways. Soon, you'll be able to hop on board this bird yourself, but would you even know it if you did?

Aircraft manufacturers like to promote the greatness of their new airplanes when it comes to passenger comfort, but many of those promises require the airline to actually configure planes the way the manufacturer suggests. That usually doesn't happen, despite grandiose ideas.

With the 787's entry into service approaching, I thought it would be a good idea to take a look at some of the promises of the 787 to see which will actually hold up.

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[FG Lurker]

That's not exactly a good idea... and from an ecological standpoint, I have yet to see a bigger "Fuck YOU green planet" from anybody...

Apparently you never heard about the mach 2 Concorde "Experience Trips" that Air France Concordes were regularly chartered for.

[Coligny]

:rofl:

Apparently you never heard about the mach 2 Concorde "Experience Trips" that Air France Concordes were regularly chartered for.

Nope... should get out more... bit late for this one anyway...

[matsuki]

Flier comfort: Boeing 787 myths and facts

Good post

So basically the windows will have a dimmer switch and the flight will likely be smoother. (larger OH bins is a mute point if there are more people there to use them.) Other then that, you won't notice much difference. They mentioned UA is getting 50 of these new models...would be more bang for their bucks if they'd hire 50 new flight attendants....new models that is. Would certainly make the flight more enjoyable than the grumpy fat grandmothers they currently use.

[2triky]

would be more bang for their bucks if they'd hire 50 new flight attendants....new models that is. Would certainly make the flight more enjoyable than the grumpy fat grandmothers they currently use.

The savings in fuel alone would justify the move aside from alleviating the torture caused to one's eyeballs.

[matsuki]

The savings in fuel alone would justify the move aside from alleviating the torture caused to one's eyeballs.

I was just talking about passenger experience but hell, less fuel could possibly mean less fuel surcharge rape by Japan.

[Coligny]

I was just talking about passenger experience but hell, less fuel could possibly mean less fuel surcharge rape by Japan.

They would pull a Tepco... less people buy fuel so we have to jackup them prices...

[matsuki]

They would pull a Tepco... less people buy fuel so we have to jackup them prices...

TEPCO? Don't you mean all of Japanese companies that charge assrape prices? That's one of the excuses I hear all the time...

"Well...your American companies cater to a large market and larger production quantities whereas WE JAPANESE have a smaller market to deal with so things cost more to produce and we therefore must charge more." As long as all my competitors keep thinking that way, it's fine with me though...the fact that they can sell their products (if at a reasonable price) outside Japan seems to be outside of their programming...I've even had managers try to lecture me on how risky it is doing business with foreign companies. (upfront payment with wholesale business seems to be another concept not in their programming....though the amount of consignment-type business that goes on here is ridicules)

[Bucky]

Plane #1 Delivered!

Signed, sealed and delivered, the first Boeing 787 took off from Everett, Wash., on Tuesday in the hands of launch customer All Nippon Airways.

Ramp workers cheered the takeoff at 7:15 a.m., which was about 45 minutes later than expected. The plane climbed into an overcast sky, tipped its wings and headed west to Japan.

[Coligny]

Plane #1 Delivered!

Soone plenty of spare parts for the #2 available in a field near you...

[Coligny]

Finally a thougtfull analysis of the reason why the Reamliner is in fact a colossal failure:
His ass looks big

There is also crucial information aboot the A380 on this masterpiece of website: His forehead make him look like he's missing a chromosome (so the reference is not aboot trisomy 21).

[Tsuru]

Pack it up boys, some dude in Seattle the tail looks wrong so it can never work properly. Send everyone home, we gotta think about this...

It was Marcel Dassault who coined the phrase "If it looks right, it flies right."
He neglected to mention that knowing what "looking right" exactly is requires some experience in aeronautical design.

Anyway, it seemed patient zero had some problems with her landing gear the other day: http://flyteam.jp/photo/ANA/Boeing-787-881/131323/L

[Coligny]

Aww crap, never saw that angle, those wings looks soo damn sexy... It's a lense effect or are they really that organically curvy ?

Full quote was:

«Un bel avion est un avion qui vole bien.»

"A beautifull plane is a plane who fly well"

Translating it by "If it looks right, it flies right." is a middle ground... Litterally the sentence from Dassault could also be reduced to "as long as it flies well every plane looks good"... Then again... It was long before the F117...

Without a better context and better understanding of Marcel Dassault personnality I can't really decide which meaning was intended...

[Bucky]

ANA's puffing out their chest these days, I guess

All Nippon Airways Scores Sky Cred

Japan's All Nippon Airways was caught off-guard by the enthusiastic response when it became the first carrier in the world to fly the long-awaited Boeing 787 Dreamliner, a boon as the airline aims to strengthen its brand internationally.

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"We are not widely known outside Japan," said Megumi Tezuka, an ANA spokeswoman. "But as we target to increase our international passenger revenue and becoming the No. 1 airline in Asia, creating ANA's brand and strengthening our global marketing was crucial"

"Unexpectedly, the launch of the 787 Dreamliner hugely contributed to bring ANA's name and brand across the world," Ms. Tezuka said, adding that ANA had never had so much international coverage in such a short amount of time.

Before the launch, negative comments online were generally related to ANA's stock prices, according to an analysis by Tokyo-based agency Beacon Communications K.K. Since then, negative remarks were mostly from fans disappointed they haven't had a chance to see the plane.

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[Tsuru]

This thread reminded me the 787 exists... so I checked the program's progress: so far 2 aircraft have been delivered, both to ANA, with a third on the way, also for ANA.

I think they need to speed up deliveries.

[Coligny]

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I think they need to speed up deliveries.

yeah they should outsource production to some sweatshop in China for a better output. After all making plastic toy plane is nothing new for them...

[2triky]

Boeing 787 review: ANA's Dreamliner flies across Japan, we join for the ride

By Zach Honig

The Boeing 787 Dreamliner is not the largest plane in the world. Nor is it the fastest. It doesn't have on-board showers or full-size beds, nor can it lay claim to the greatest range or sleekest entertainment system in the air. But it will change the way we fly for decades to come. Boeing's latest commercial airliner is several feet wider and longer than the 767, the company's smallest wide-body (twin-aisle) jet, yet it's 20 percent more fuel efficient. Given that fuel is the single greatest operating cost for any airline, savings of that magnitude could return the industry to profitability, and perhaps even usher in lower airfares for passengers.

But while the 787's efficiency makes it an attractive option for airlines, it also serves up a more comfortable ride for passengers. We recently had a chance to fly on a domestic round trip between Tokyo and Okayama in Japan aboard an All Nippon Airways (ANA) Dreamliner -- one of the first two ever delivered. Quieter engines, dimmable windows, LED lights, huge overhead bins, an in-flight bar and on-demand entertainment enhance comfort, even during shorter flights, while higher humidity, a greater internal pressurization level and a gust alleviation system to reduce the effects of turbulence help improve the experience behind the scenes. Care to take a ride?...more...

[Bucky]

ANA will start service to Seattle, WA and San Jose, CA sometime in 2012 with the 787. For Seattle it will be the first time a Japnaese-flagged carrier has served the route since JAL abandoned the SEA-NRT route in the 90's

Japanese carrier All Nippon Airways (ANA) – the first carrier in the world to put the Dreamliner into passenger service – says it will use the new aircraft to expand its footprint within the United States.

ANA will begin service to both Seattle and San Jose sometime during the fiscal year starting April 1, with plans for 787 service to Tokyo Narita from each.

The Wall Street Journal writes "San Jose and Seattle are the type of long, thin routes seen as the forte of the Dreamliner, with insufficient traffic to support a larger jet. Launch customer All Nippon has received two of the planes and plans to fly to Frankfurt and Beijing next year, having used the first aircraft for domestic services."

[2triky]

ANA will start service to Seattle, WA and San Jose, CA sometime in 2012 with the 787. For Seattle it will be the first time a Japnaese-flagged carrier has served the route since JAL abandoned the SEA-NRT route in the 90's

Seattle I can understand but San Jose? SFO or LAX would seem to make more sense.