Ha!

[cstaylor]

I hope they nail that Okamoto bastard. Notice how the U.S. government allows for plea-bargaining:

The maximum penalty for providing false information to the government is five years in prison and a $250,000 fine. Under federal sentencing guidelines, Serizawa likely faces up to six months in prison. No sentencing date was set.

As part of the deal, the Immigration and Naturalization Service agreed not to try to deport Serizawa.

Serizawa won't be deported. Think we'd get the same treatment here?

[cstaylor]

They had better extradite him, or we should get all of those marines sent back to the states that are currently rotting in Japanese prisons.

[Steve Bildermann]

[kamome]

There was this black kid from the US doing eight years for rape and assault. His life was made unbearable and it was 'Camp on Blood Island' for the poor bastard.

If the guy was actually guilty of intentional rape, I don't feel much remorse for him. Of course, if a white person guilty of committing the same crime in Japan got better treatment than the black dude, just because the former was white, I would have a problem with that. The white guy should also get the same crappy treatment.

[cstaylor]

The white guy should also get the same crappy treatment.

Can't comment, as I've never been to jail on either side of the Pacific, so I've got no basis for comparison.

[kamome]

(especially if you're innocent or otherwise screwed by the system).

Exactly. If you look at my post above, the premise was assuming (for argument's sake) that the guy actually is guilty. If the accused were innocent, then black or white, of course they shouldn't even be in the system at all.

The very thought of a black dude having "relations" with a Japanese girl, probably boils the blood of plenty of Japanese.

I would say that the very thought of a gaijin (no matter the race) having relations with a Japanese girl probably boils the blood of plenty of Japanese, but especially if it's a rape. And like I said before, if the guy (no matter the race) was actually guilty of rape, I wouldn't feel much sympathy for him if he got shitty treatment by the guards in prison.

[Steve Bildermann]

[Steve Bildermann]

Your wife is right!

Yep she is indeed, in *all* things as she always tells me and I have learned not to disagree.

Hey what do I know I'm just a F**** gaijin

[Steve Bildermann]

Or maybe we should call you a housebroken gaijin...

Hey if you saw my wife *you* would be housebroken too....actually come to think of it you *can* see her.

see : http://www.bodysculpture.org

[Steve Bildermann]

It's her family name from a long line of Mishima/Hiraoka folk in the Aichi region. His family name was Hiraoka but there was some scandal associated with his father so he took the Mishima name. The rather poetic reason he gave was some BS about the Mishima village having a beatiful view of Mt. Fuji etc etc. He still used my wife's uncle's family HANKO when he took out a bank loan to fund his private army though. But hey - don't get me started on that...

http://www.vill.yamanakako.yamanashi.jp/bungaku/mishima/index-e.html

[Steve Bildermann]

"Most Dangerous Gaijin in Japan"

...LOL and ROTFLMAO Are you F**** kidding.

I'm about as dangerous a POKEMON. Every one of the morning musume could kick my ass http://morningmusume.dream.com/

[cstaylor]

You haven't addressed the first part of my comment, the "your balls on the chopping block" part. There is a reason society has developed legal systems, and it's not only to protect the innocent.

Right on. I'll let Sir Thomas More speak for me:

"Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat?
This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down (and you're just the man to do it!), do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then?

Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!"

[kamome]

semi-related story:

Oklahoma legislature passes bill authorizing chemical castration of some sex offenders

I didn't know kamome was from Oklahoma.

Oh, please. As usual, you have taken what I said and blown it out of proportion.

You haven't addressed the first part of my comment, the "your balls on the chopping block" part.

What's to address? Like I have said, in three posts now, if the guy were actually guilty (which implies he has gone through the entire trial process, was convicted lawfully in court, and sentenced to prison for the crime of intentional rape) then I wouldn't fee sympathy for him if he got raw treatment from the prison guards. To put the ball in your court, if someone intentionally raped a member of your family or a loved one, you wouldn't feel sympathy for him if he got beaten up by the guards on occasion.

Anyhoo....

gotta' hand it to Steve for landing such a hottie for a wife. I think she was featured in a past issue of Metropolis, wasn't she? I seem to recall an issue a few months back featuring new exercise regimens like body sculpting.

[Steve Bildermann]

gotta' hand it to Steve for landing such a hottie for a wife. I think she was featured in a past issue of Metropolis, wasn't she? I seem to recall an issue a few months back featuring new exercise regimens like body sculpting.

Well as Dr. Hook said

When you're in love with a beautiful woman it's hard
When you're in love with a beautiful woman you know it's hard
Everybody wants her, everybody loves her
Everybody wants to take your baby home

When you're in love with a beautiful woman you watch your friends
When you're in love with a beautiful woman it never ends
You know that it's crazy, you want to trust her
And then somebody hangs up when you answer the phone
When you're in love with a beautiful woman you go it alone

Maybe it's just an ego problem
Problem is, I've been fooled before
By fair weathered friends and faint hearted lovers
And everytime it happens
It just convinces me more

When you're in love with a beautiful woman you watch her eyes
When you're in love with a beautiful woman you look for lies
Everybody tempts her, everybody tells her
That she's the most beautiful woman they know
When you're in love with a beautiful woman you go it alone

[break]

Everybody tempts her, everybody tells her
That she's the most beautiful woman they know
When you're in love with a beautiful woman you watch your friends
When you're in love with a beautiful woman it never ends

..

[cstaylor]

To put the ball in your court, if someone intentionally raped a member of your family or a loved one, you wouldn't feel sympathy for him if he got beaten up by the guards on occasion

Not to pile on ('cause I like Kamome), but this is an example of faulty logic. The entire point of the legal system is that all of us are equal unto the law. Anarchy is soon to follow when those in power exercise it for conquering their daemons, either personal (the hypothetical situation you proposed in your previous post) or ideological (such as Roper in "A Man for All Seasons").

A more common phrase that sums it up:

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"

[kamome]

I've known too many innocent people (even relatives) who have found themselves completely shafted by the criminal justice system. Obviously, you don't know any and could never imagine yourself in such a situation.

And I've known too many victims of rape who themselves have been completely shafted by the criminal justice system. Obviously, you don't know any people like that, or you wouldn't feel so comfortable posing smugly as the scion of high-brow "logic".

What I have been talking about has nothing to do with anarchy or destroying the rule of law to exorcise social demons. It has to do with the emotional reaction I would have in seeing guilty rapists getting a little bit of their own medicine in jail. We haven't considered those innocents who are locked up, and for good reason--my emotional reaction to their plight would be much different, needless to say.

In the end, what it sounds like is you feel sympathy even for guilty rapists, and that is a position I find untenable.

Anyway, considering that I will never be able to match the sheer number of posts by ultra, he will obviously always have the last sarcastic word. So this will be my last post on the subject, and we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[cstaylor]

U.S. military clerk held for molesting teenage girl

YOKOHAMA: Police on Friday arrested an American office clerk of the U.S. Navy's Atsugi base in Kanagawa Prefecture, southwest of Tokyo, on suspicion of sexually abusing a teenage girl in his car.

Michael Banko, 52, asked the 17-year-old girl to show him the way to a station on a street in Ebina in the prefecture around midnight Thursday, and she got into his car to direct him, according to the Kanagawa prefectural police.

That is one polite girl. Bet she never does that again.

[kamome]

The police said he has admitted the allegations.

Assuming the confession was uncoerced and voluntary, this would be a prime example of a chump who I'd feel no sympathy for if he got a few extra beatings in prison.