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Postby Bucky » Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:43 am

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Lester Tenney entered World War II as a strapping 21-year-old, weight 180 pounds. By the time he emerged from Japanese captivity in 1945, he was a shattered, emaciated cripple. His left arm and shoulder were partly paralyzed due to an accident in a coal mine where he'd been sent as a slave laborer. His overseers there -- civilian employees of the Mitsui Corp., not members of the Imperial Army -- had knocked out his teeth in repeated beatings with hammers and pickaxes. At war's end, he weighed in at 98 pounds. It took him a year in U.S. Army hospitals to regain something like a semblance of his old well-being.

Sixty-five years later, Tenney and his fellow ex-prisoners of war (POWs) -- the rapidly diminishing group of those who remain alive, that is -- are still awaiting the full fruits of victory. The Japanese companies that once abused Tenney and his fellow prisoners have never acknowledged responsibility for their crimes, let alone offered compensation or regrets of any kind. (The companies needed the POWs to compensate for a wartime labor shortage.) The Japanese government has only just begun to offer its regrets for what happened -- far too late for most of the veterans, but, still, something. Perhaps most depressingly of all, the U.S. government has spent years allowing the Japanese to get away with it -- a policy of complicity that has its roots in the two countries' complex postwar relationship. There are signs that this, too, may finally be changing. Hope never dies, as they say.
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Postby Yokohammer » Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:00 am

Stories like this always leave a really uncomfortable feeling in the pit of my stomach. I usually end up asking myself, "would I personally feel better about it if proper amends were made?"

The answer is always a resounding, unqualified "yes."

I can only imagine how the people who suffered directly would feel.
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Postby CrankyBastard » Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:20 am

Yokohammer wrote:Stories like this always leave a really uncomfortable feeling in the pit of my stomach. I usually end up asking myself, "would I personally feel better about it if proper amends were made?"

The answer is always a resounding, unqualified "yes."

I can only imagine how the people who suffered directly would feel.


In the UK many years ago I was introduced to a gentleman who had been a prisoner of war held in Japan, after hearing that I was living in Japan through choice, he frowned and turned his back on me. I can't say that I blame him, then or now.
I guess a hell of a lot of water will have to pass under a hell of a lot of bridges before people in our situation can feel more comfortable when this subject is raised.
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Postby bolt_krank » Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:22 am

Like most things, people that weren't directly involved would prefer to distance themselves from such things. The government will put in more effort to avoid it than any effort required to actually do anything.
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Postby Coligny » Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:37 am

bolt_krank wrote:Like most things, people that weren't directly involved would prefer to distance themselves from such things. The government will put in more effort to avoid it than any effort required to actually do anything.


One day or another you have to say, -shit, it's over-
I'm not saying forgotting, i'm saying forgetting.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:33 pm

CrankyBastard wrote:after hearing that I was living in Japan through choice, he frowned and turned his back on me. I can't say that I blame him, then or now.


Part of me is glad my grandmother didn't live to see me move to Japan. She lived through the occupation of Manila and hated the Japanese with a passion.
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Postby nottu » Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:10 pm

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Postby GomiGirl » Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:16 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:Part of me is glad my grandmother didn't live to see me move to Japan. She lived through the occupation of Manila and hated the Japanese with a passion.


My Grandfather was a pilot in New Guinea and was shot down a few times. He lived through all of the war but passed away before my brother or myself moved to Japan. It took a little bit of time for my Grandmother to be OK with our connection to Japan but mainly it was just to overcome her prejudices fostered by the propaganda of the time. She has met our Japanese friends and not had a problem with it all.

I guess it depends on the individual and their own experiences.

I wonder how long it will be until persons of Arab descent are not automatically treated with suspicion? I guess it will take a new enemy to take to the fore as the collective nemisis. (Sorry I am an Orwellian to the end.)
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Postby fooj » Sat Jul 03, 2010 8:20 am

We lost relatives from our village during the war to Japanese brutality. My late grand parents hated the Japanese with a passion as my aunts and uncles still do. My Dad told me about a hunk of metal from a Japanese bomb they used to kick around as kids.

That stuff is so far removed from me and has allowed me to appreciate contemporary Japanese culture much to the chagrin of my relates. There's a virulent strain of right wing conservatism in Japan that pisses the fuk out of me from time to time when I let it, but I'm otherwise pretty cool, afterall what country doesn't have it's own nutbars.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:02 pm

GomiGirl wrote:My Grandfather was a pilot in New Guinea and was shot down a few times. He lived through all of the war but passed away before my brother or myself moved to Japan.


I think there's a difference between beeing a soldier and being a civilian seeing an invading army brutalize a civilain population first hand.


I wonder how long it will be until persons of Arab descent are not automatically treated with suspicion?


It'll probably happen about the same time they stop looking at the rest of the world as infidels who deserve to die.
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Postby Coligny » Sat Jul 03, 2010 3:28 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:It'll probably happen about the same time they stop looking at the rest of the world as infidels who deserve to die.


There wuz at least one... But them 'murikans kilded him...


(Saddham Hussein wuz not big on religious matters... was drinking wine, had mistresse, wearing a moustache and a beret while chain smoking... that guy was more french than most of the real french...)
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Postby Mike Oxlong » Sat Jul 03, 2010 5:36 pm

Coligny wrote:(Saddham Hussein...that guy was more french than most of the real french...)

Because of his war record? :razz:
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Postby Takechanpoo » Sat Jul 03, 2010 6:04 pm

white dudes as victims.....

why does sounds like something shady? eh?

Actually and unfortunately Japan did that cruel things for just a little period of time. But meanwhile, how many years have you white dudes did that kind of things toward non-whites? Hundreds of Years!!! In addition you are doing with present progressive form. Nevertheless you whites soon start whining if you are treated unreasonably a little bit in non-white country. White dudes need to learn slave's pain and endurance.

By the way, among non-white countries, it's only Empire Japan and Mongol Empire to carry out that scale of massive killing toward whites in human history. I am wholeheartedly proud of it as a son of Empire Japan.
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Postby Coligny » Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:50 pm

Mike Oxlong wrote:Because of his war record? :razz:


Frack, I forgot that one too... We should posthumously award him the Legion D'honneur...
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Postby Coligny » Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:51 pm

Takechanpoo wrote:waaaaarrrrrgaaarrrrbllllll


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Postby Greji » Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:58 pm

Takechanpoo wrote:By the way, among non-white countries, it's only Empire Japan and Mongol Empire to carry out that scale of massive killing toward whites in human history. I am wholeheartedly proud of it as a son of Empire Japan.


Good point Take, but if you look at the score card for WWII for KIAs, WIAs and MIAs, ya'all didn't make out too well, did ya?
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Postby Behan » Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:21 pm

Greji wrote:Good point Take, but if you look at the score card for WWII for KIAs, WIAs and MIAs, ya'all didn't make out too well, did ya?
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Take is making things up again. Middle Eastern powers and the Moors must have racked up some impressive numbers, too. There are others, too, I am sure. But reality and facts don't matter much to a troll.
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Postby Greji » Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:33 pm

Behan wrote:But reality and facts don't matter much to a troll.


Can't agree with you on that one B! Take's not trolling on this. It is simply a well known Psychosomatic condition that will always occur to the sons of the flower after losing on goal kicks to Paraguay...
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Postby 6810 » Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:40 pm

Behan wrote:Take is making things up again. Middle Eastern powers and the Moors must have racked up some impressive numbers, too. There are others, too, I am sure. But reality and facts don't matter much to a troll.


huh? Take the dude done be right. Whiteys done gone around the world, enslaved everyone, killed more, stole whole continents, built whole nations, vast militaries and erased whole cultures... and continue to do so in the name of globalisation.

All in the last few hundred years.

Japan joined the party late and chose the losing side of the big and nasty imperial squabble that was WW2. All they wanted was a piece of the imperial pie. And, since the winners get to write history and the losers are consigned to shut the fuck up, the Japanese get branded as evil.

To bad the dear old whiteys were doing what the Japanese did but for longer and over greater territory.

Try reading the history of south and central America. Or the trans-Atlantic slave trade and what was done to humans by civilized Europeans before you do your finger pointing...
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Postby Greji » Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:45 pm

6810 wrote:huh? Take the dude done be right. Whiteys done gone around the world, enslaved everyone, killed more, stole whole continents, built whole nations, vast militaries and erased whole cultures... and continue to do so in the name of globalisation.


Why mess with a system that works Bro ????
BTW how long have you been Take's bitch? You oughta try Jack as well. Ya'll could do a nice 3P...
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Postby Behan » Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:59 pm

6810 wrote:huh? Take the dude done be right. Whiteys done gone around the world, enslaved everyone, killed more, stole whole continents, built whole nations, vast militaries and erased whole cultures... and continue to do so in the name of globalisation.


You are talking about something different from what he said.

...Japan joined the party late and chose the losing side of the big and nasty imperial squabble that was WW2. All they wanted was a piece of the imperial pie.

No, they came early. They were fighting in China before WWII started.

To bad the dear old whiteys were doing what the Japanese did but for longer and over greater territory.

As a Korean about that.

Try reading the history of south and central America. Or the trans-Atlantic slave trade and what was done to humans by civilized Europeans before you do your finger pointing...

Again, what did Take and I say? Who's arguing that at all. You need to do some re-reading.
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Postby Midwinter » Sat Jul 03, 2010 11:39 pm

Mike Oxlong wrote:Because of his war record? :razz:


No, because he ran away and hid in a hole the moment any real fighting started :)
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Postby Screwed-down Hairdo » Sun Jul 04, 2010 12:23 pm

I have mixed feelings on issues like this.
I can see where Take is coming from and ask him to realize that white-on-white imperialism also fucking hurts. As an Irishman, I'm also glad to see a Brit cop their share of the pain. I also agree that the Japs circa WWII were doing nothing more than the then essentially white powers were doing and that the anti-Japanese alliance was somewhat hypocritical.
Frankly, though there are obviously lots of ill feelings, it was a fucking long time ago and it's now time to forget. Japan has spent decades proving it can be a responsible member of the international society. If there are wartime claims to be made, I think it's far more appropriate to look at the U.S., which had a free hand in running Japan after the war and deliberately turned this cuntry into a reincarnation or its prewar self minus the anti-Western sentiment.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Sun Jul 04, 2010 1:31 pm

Screwed-down Hairdo wrote:I also agree that the Japs circa WWII were doing nothing more than the then essentially white powers were doing and that the anti-Japanese alliance was somewhat hypocritical.


I think the problem is that Japan was doing what Western powers had done in Asia but by the time Japan became a colonial power, Western governments were overall not as brutal or if they were they it was by proxy through a local dictator. *I think the fact that more people joined their white masters to fight off the Japanese than joined the Japanese in kicking out Western colonialists says that there was something different about what the Japanese were doing relative to the Europeans at that particular point in time. If the Japanese had been 30 to 50 years ealrier to the game, it might have been a different story.

*Or maybe the Europeans were just more sophisticated at the propaganda game.
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Postby Screwed-down Hairdo » Sun Jul 04, 2010 2:07 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:I think the problem is that Japan was doing what Western powers had done in Asia but by the time Japan became a colonial power, Western governments were overall not as brutal or if they were they it was by proxy through a local dictator. *I think the fact that more people joined their white masters to fight off the Japanese than joined the Japanese in kicking out Western colonialists says that there was something different about what the Japanese were doing relative to the Europeans at that particular point in time. If the Japanese had been 30 to 50 years ealrier to the game, it might have been a different story.

*Or maybe the Europeans were just more sophisticated at the propaganda game.


Nah, I disagree with you...if that's the case, why did France fight the Indochinese War, funded by the U.S.?
Sorry, we whiteys have got a lot to answer for.
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Postby fooj » Sun Jul 04, 2010 2:55 pm

The irony today is that while Asia is ascending and having it's day in the sun Japan is loosing it's mojo.
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Postby Mock Cockpit » Sun Jul 04, 2010 3:40 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:I think the problem is that Japan was doing what Western powers had done in Asia but by the time Japan became a colonial power, Western governments were overall not as brutal .

King Leopold II of Belgium called and said you're a poof.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Sun Jul 04, 2010 5:48 pm

Screwed-down Hairdo wrote:Nah, I disagree with you...if that's the case, why did France fight the Indochinese War, funded by the U.S.?
Sorry, we whiteys have got a lot to answer for.
Mind you, let me point out, the trade in black slaves has almost exclusively relied on black middle-men and remains so to this day. There are millions of people traded yearly and it is almost African on African. I'm not trying to exclude honkies from guilt, but asking that people take things into perspective.


I think you got me wrong. I didn't mean that we were any better. I'm saying it was merely a timing thing. The Japanese got into the game at a point in time when the situation at the colonies in Asia was not as bad as it had been. Post 1900 wars like the Boxer Rebellion or Indochinese War were fought with a larger number of local allies.

People in the Philipines generally hate the Japanese but not the Americans or the Spanish. Why?

My English buddy spent some time in Myanmar and expecte they'd hate the English. He was surprised to find out overall they seemed to like the Brits but hate the Japanese (and of course SLORC or whatever it is they call themselves now). Why?

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Postby 6810 » Sun Jul 04, 2010 6:04 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:I think you got me wrong. I didn't mean that we were any better. I'm saying it was merely a timing thing. The Japanese got into the game at a point in time when the situation at the colonies in Asia was not as bad as it had been.


Sheeeyat! That's all I was saying and I get red snot. People's got some real thin skin around here.
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Postby American Oyaji » Sun Jul 04, 2010 8:56 pm

GomiGirl wrote:I wonder how long it will be until persons of Arab descent are not automatically treated with suspicion? (Sorry I am an Orwellian to the end.)


After they stop jihading and attacking people. About 50 years after that.

Until then, that idea is stuck at year zero.
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